Leader Schumer should introduce the $1.8 trillion plan Manchin told the WH he'd support

[bigtree]

...bring that bill up for a vote at the earliest opportunity.

Statement from Press Secretary Jen Psaki
DECEMBER 19, 2021

"On Tuesday of this week, Senator Manchin came to the White House and submitted—to the President, in person, directly—a written outline for a Build Back Better bill that was the same size and scope as the President’s framework, and covered many of the same priorities. While that framework was missing key priorities, we believed it could lead to a compromise acceptable to all. Senator Manchin promised to continue conversations in the days ahead, and to work with us to reach that common ground."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/19/statement-from-press-secretary-jen-psaki-4/

[The Magistrate]

1. I Agree, Sir

Make the man eat his own shit.

[Progressive Jones]

3. I agree, as well. Make Manchin stand and deliver. Put him on record. nt

[Demsrule86]

20. That is a good thing for Manchin back home...

We have no leverage.

[Celerity]

10. Morning Joe just announced Schumer is going to hold a vote

[jimfields33]

11. In January when congress returns

[Celerity]

14. yep

[BlueCheeseAgain]

2. I'm really curious as to what's in it.

My guess is that the things in it are funded for 10 years, and a lot of things we like are missing. But I imagine it must still be much better than nothing.

[Celerity]

17. Morning Joe just said that it might have stripped out most of the remaining climate provisions.

two points:

1. Manchin already gutted the fuck out of the BIF and stripped almost all climate provisions form that, hundreds of billions of Biden's agenda there were gutted by him and Sinema.

2. IF Manchin is now demanding the all the rest (the climate parts in the BBB) now also be stripped out, THAT is a pure back-stab and a word break, as he already signed off on the (and they were already reduced a lot) climate framework in the BBB, signed off with Schumer and Biden, months ago.

It is far from just the Squad who will go bonkers if basically ALL of the climate parts from the two Biden original frameworks for the BIF and the BBB are binned completely.

At that point, major sectors of the macro economy are going to start to be tossed into chaos. The big American automakers are going to savagely kneecapped, as will the emergent (and already huge) alternative energy fields.

[RainCaster]

4. VP Kamala needs to work the hill

Like Joe did for Obama. She can find a few GOP votes, and they may be more reliable than that WV guy.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. +1. Would help her AND the country

[Demsrule86]

21. she will not find GOP votes...no one is risking a primary.

guys, we have to be realistic...Biden needs to call Manchin in and ask him what part of the bill must go in order to get his vote...that is it folks. And he may say he won't vote for it period.

[FBaggins]

6. No reason to believe that he would vote against it

OTOH, progressives would almost certainly reject it over those "missing key priorities"

[Cuthbert Allgood]

15. Progressives aren't the problem with this.

Manchin is. Let's keep our eyes on those that are the real problems.

[FBaggins]

18. Of course they are

We've known for over a year that the senate would, at best, be tied. And that any significant legislation was going to have to go through reconciliation and include Manchin's support. We also knew that the margins were almost as tight in the House and that a handful of moderates could similarly cause problems.

In that reality - it was clear that we were never going to be able to get everything that we wanted. We certainly weren't going to get everything that Bernie Sanders wanted. Nothing should have been proposed that wasn't pre-cleared by the votes that we knew we needed in order for anything to pass.

And for the records - if we end up pushing him out of the party and completely losing the ability to pass anything... that, too, will be their fault.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

19. So making progressives happy bad.

Making Republican-lite happy = good.

Thanks an interesting take.

And, frankly, if we pass this bill with absolutely NOTHING in it to address climate/environmental issues (which it is clear that that is the minimum for Manchin to vote for it), I agree with the progressive members of the House, that we shouldn't even pass it. That is the thing that is most important thing right now.

And Manchin is already going to leave the party. And, even if he doesn't, what have we accomplished with him since Biden became President.

[FBaggins]

25. Thanks for proving my point

If you're a senator (let's say Sanders) and you would prefer that the entire thing fail than not have climate legislation... or that you can't vote for it at all unless the Hyde Amendment is gone... then don't give anyone else a hard time for "failing to negotiate in good faith" or for supposedly killing the bill. Because you need to look in the mirror first.

And, even if he doesn't, what have we accomplished with him since Biden became President.

You have got to be kidding. Seriously?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

26. What has he voted for that is a vital part of the Biden agenda that wouldn't have passed anyway?

Seems like this bill is the first test and he failed.

[FBaggins]

28. Your "seems like" just proves that you haven't been paying attention

We've already had one budget reconciliation this calendar year that passed with Manchin's support and would have failed without it. Almost two trillion dollars.

Then there's the "who should be Senate majority leader? Schumer of McConnell?" along with every single committee chairman (like Sanders).

And scores of executive appointees

Basically, anything that we've accomplished that we couldn't have if McConnell ran the senate... that's because of Joe Manchin.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

29. So, we have

1. he voted to not shut down the government.
2. "scores" of appointees. But if we look at the cabinet positions, there was actually only ONE that passed by one vote. I haven't looked at the other appointees, but I don't remember them being as close. Perhaps I'm wrong.

So if McConnell ran the senate, we would have shut down the government and maybe not appointed one cabinet position because of Manchin. And since they would have a 51-49 margin, they would not be able to pass anything either because of Senate rules. So, yeah, I can still be pissed at Manchin. Seems OK to me.

[Demsrule86]

23. We misplayed this...the House should not have refused to consider dropping parental leave and other

parts of the bill that were non-starters. We need to negotiate bills in advance and then vote...and all Democrats need to understand that with a 50 50 Senate, we won't get it all.

[Demsrule86]

24. And there in lies the problem. We have to be willing to negotiate and accept that we won't get

as much as we want. Legislation is the duty of Congress and should not be held hostage to any 'key priorities'. We either have the votes or we don't. And it was clear we didn't have the votes for some of the provisions in the BBB bill.

[SergeStorms]

7. Not only put Manchin on record....

but those 50 GQP Senators who would rather "own the libs" than help their own constituents.

Red states take far more in federal aid than they pay into the treasury with taxes. They would benefit the most of all 50 states, but republican Senators want to make sure there's nothing positive for Democrats to run on in 2022 and 2024.

It's not like they have any plans to help Americans, unless you happen to be a wealthy American. They really do have disdain for their constituents. They lie and tell them vaccines don't work (after being triple vaccinated themselves), or are dangerous, and republican anti-vaxxers are dying in record numbers. Then they want to deny them affordable Healthcare, childcare credits, a living minimum wage, and everything else that might make their lives more bearable. But "owning the libs" is far more important to them. As far as they're concerned their constituents can just die, as long as they make their point that they're obstructionist, partisan hacks.

So suck it, red state Americans. You lose, and you'll probably get COVID and die, all so the legislators YOU VOTED FOR have some sort of issue to run on in the next election. Smart thinking.

[Funtatlaguy]

8. Name it the Joe Manchin bill.

[Raven123]

9. Would like to see it first

[panader0]

12. $1.8T or $2T? I know that difference represents many great and needed programs, but,

$1.8T is still a huge win for Biden, the Democrats and the people of the US.

[UCmeNdc]

13. K&R Agree!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

16. I get the thought, but I'm sick and tired of use just giving in to Republicans.

And, yeah, I know he's a Dem, though everything he has done in the past couple days, including the announcement on Fox News, indicates that he is courting the Republicans to switch parties. And he is 100% acting against the Dem Caucus. We can't just keep caving on things. It's horrible optics, poor governing, and really shitty negotiating.

[Demsrule86]

22. It is either that or get nothing...I pick something. We move forward and can add on later.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

27. Can we?

What will we pass that we want with that approach? Short answer: nothing.

So, basically, we are passing what the Republicans want and not what we want.

So no convince the voting public that we need to retain majority in both chambers and win the Presidency in 2 more years because...why, again? What things did we pass that we ran on?