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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:46 AM Dec 2021

Some talking heads understand it; some do not. But, the constant hand-wringing about

the "panic" of Democrats and the "collapse" of the Biden agenda all has the same effect: a subliminal urging to vote against the "losers" who have not totally cured America's ills in one year because no one wants to be on the "losing team"

The "trigger" words are carefully chosen and meant to ramp up anxiety and drive wedges between us.

Do not let these intellectual zombies think for you!

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Some talking heads understand it; some do not. But, the constant hand-wringing about (Original Post) Atticus Dec 2021 OP
brava. and +100 stopdiggin Dec 2021 #1
I couldn't agree more. LakeArenal Dec 2021 #2
There are dozens of threads here gab13by13 Dec 2021 #3
Agree, moderates and progressives are too touchy about their labels Walleye Dec 2021 #5
+1 c-rational Dec 2021 #27
Yeah, we really shouldn't be fighting among ourselves SunImp Dec 2021 #36
Thanks. Walleye Dec 2021 #38
Post removed Post removed Dec 2021 #4
About 2 months ago the right wing controlled and managed MSM (which is all of the MSM) gab13by13 Dec 2021 #6
Agree. Looking at a graph of his approval rating. I don't see the plummet they talk about Walleye Dec 2021 #28
I need some uplifting news flying t Dec 2021 #48
Absolutely correct! jmbar2 Dec 2021 #7
We certainly could use another "Age of Enlightenment." gab13by13 Dec 2021 #8
I'm afraid we passed into the age of bullshit along time ago Walleye Dec 2021 #29
This post and the thread it's in are what I've been scrolling to read mahina Dec 2021 #13
Nice and an upbeat and factual post too. PufPuf23 Dec 2021 #15
"Then they rose from the ashes" heckles65 Dec 2021 #18
But Bojo and his Tory cronies geardaddy Dec 2021 #20
An Excellent Observation, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2021 #9
You are 100% correct... Moostache Dec 2021 #10
I believe this is especially true for the "inflation" talking point... Hugin Dec 2021 #11
This is a common manipulative tactic of totalitarians Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #12
Like fake news you Rebl2 Dec 2021 #17
Yes, sir. And this psychological warfare is being waged by corporate media from the Big 3 down Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #45
We are being manipulated away from democracy to authortarianism and the messengers will claim we did ShazamIam Dec 2021 #14
Yes sir, again. Getting so frustrating because it's is getting so obvious. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #46
Yes lees1975 Dec 2021 #16
Dual Purpose modrepub Dec 2021 #19
You speak the truth, however Mr. Ected Dec 2021 #21
Average Joe is the target of the psychological manipulation, bet Big3Media has an entire Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #47
The effect of all of this bull is to multigraincracker Dec 2021 #22
Peoples' agenda, not the Biden agenda. But they love the soap opera. nt wiggs Dec 2021 #23
Hi Atticus. to coin a phrase, "You're preaching to the choir" Cozmo Dec 2021 #24
America's media is cozy with the enemies of democracy. hay rick Dec 2021 #25
Agreed, and the same playbook as "Is she trustworthy? or what about her emails? Deceptive c-rational Dec 2021 #26
I have faith Marthe48 Dec 2021 #30
+1 llmart Dec 2021 #49
Demand specific policy ideas from every Repug Jon King Dec 2021 #31
'news' revenues are down...m$nbc & cnn are now going to alternate features on Sunday nights.... spanone Dec 2021 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Dec 2021 #33
EXACTLY! Cha Dec 2021 #34
Counter their bullshit with truth and repeat over and over boombababoombaba housecat Dec 2021 #35
they don't do that with repukes Skittles Dec 2021 #37
They Played the Manchin Card Now Because The January 6 Committe Was Making Progress FrankTC Dec 2021 #39
Media wants to talk about the stupid shit Trump says JI7 Dec 2021 #40
I hope people are writing to them... Hekate Dec 2021 #41
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Dec 2021 #42
K & R - nt Ohio Joe Dec 2021 #43
It's not just the "talking heads" who are guilty of that... NurseJackie Dec 2021 #44

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
1. brava. and +100
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:52 AM
Dec 2021

this administration is the epitome of 'functional' and getting things done - as compared to almost clownish ineptitude of it's predecessor. That is all.

gab13by13

(21,280 posts)
3. There are dozens of threads here
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:52 AM
Dec 2021

solely designed to start a fight between moderate and progressive Dems. I even called one of the threads out to no avail. No I didn't alert, I don't do that.

Walleye

(30,996 posts)
5. Agree, moderates and progressives are too touchy about their labels
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:54 AM
Dec 2021

We shouldn’t fight among ourselves. Debate policy. But don’t get a persecution complex like the Republicans

SunImp

(2,223 posts)
36. Yeah, we really shouldn't be fighting among ourselves
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 08:00 PM
Dec 2021

Even in appreciation threads the snakes come out to start trouble.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

gab13by13

(21,280 posts)
6. About 2 months ago the right wing controlled and managed MSM (which is all of the MSM)
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:56 AM
Dec 2021

started the narrative that president Biden was failing and a heck of a lot of people are falling for that nonsense. They even produced bogus polls to prove that President Biden is failing.

In president Biden's 1 year in office he is the best president I have ever seen, and I'm 74 years old.

jmbar2

(4,868 posts)
7. Absolutely correct!
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:57 AM
Dec 2021

We have armies of foreign and domestic enemies who want the Democrats to fail, and will constantly hammer us to destroy our solidarity and morale. This is a war for democracy and justice for all Americans, and we must keep fighting, and resist attempts to destroy our morale.

Historically, periods of great social and economic upheaval have led to rebuilding better.

- The Black Plague led to the collapse of the serf system.

- The Civil War led to emancipation, and the arduous struggle for equity and justice for African Americans that continues today.

- During WWII, Londoners endured night after night of bombing that leveled the city. Then they rose from the ashes.

As awful as these periods were, people found the will to survive and rebuild better societies. This is one of those times. We cannot give up the fight.

I keep a picture of John Lewis getting his head bashed in during one of his many marches as a symbol of what courage looks like in the face of diversity. It gives me strength that we can survive this.

But we cannot allow the media, disinformation, and domestic sabotage to spoil our will to fight for something better. We are the people that we've been waiting for.

mahina

(17,637 posts)
13. This post and the thread it's in are what I've been scrolling to read
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:51 AM
Dec 2021

Since 2 am. It’s almost 5.

Now I can get done sleep. Thank you and Atticus.

heckles65

(548 posts)
18. "Then they rose from the ashes"
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:11 AM
Dec 2021

True - and then instituted the British welfare state. In the U.S., it was the G.I. Bill and the highway system that started the modern consumer economy.

Pademics and world wars have something alike: they are won less by supergeniuses than ordinary people doing tedious things over and over. How do you make them do that? Promise them a BETTER world than before. Not the same, BETTER.

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
20. But Bojo and his Tory cronies
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:23 AM
Dec 2021

Are trying to dismantle the NHS and are little homonculi of the MAGA gang.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
9. An Excellent Observation, Sir
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:18 AM
Dec 2021

One calls to mind the sound diagnosis of Mr. Scott playing Gen. Patton:


"Americans love a winner, and hate a loser!"



Moostache

(9,895 posts)
10. You are 100% correct...
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:24 AM
Dec 2021

and sadly that will matter 0% in November.

The mushy "center" is (IMHO) comprised almost entirely of people who cannot or will not think for themselves and are easily swayed by perception and horse-race coverage...which is why that is the only coverage of politics in the MSM ever since Watergate.

In a world where so many are "influenced" by social media and its inanity, its no wonder that we are as screwed as we are...

Hugin

(33,100 posts)
11. I believe this is especially true for the "inflation" talking point...
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:31 AM
Dec 2021

Anyone who is able to remember the before times (i know, it is difficult) will recall that inflation was baked in to the GrOPpers tax cuts from day one and was incessantly warned about at the time prior to the misguided passage of the ugly package.

It is true that some of the COVID events have no doubt exacerbated the situation, but, it was promised and has arrived.

All things which are bad for the masses have their roots in the winger's agenda.

Farmer-Rick

(10,150 posts)
12. This is a common manipulative tactic of totalitarians
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:38 AM
Dec 2021

They always claim to be winning when they aren't. They always fake the truth. They are not to be trusted.

The GOP are totally totalitarian.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
45. Yes, sir. And this psychological warfare is being waged by corporate media from the Big 3 down
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 08:58 AM
Dec 2021

all the way down to the hellpits of fox and oan.

What I can t answer is in the face of fascism rising, why?

ShazamIam

(2,570 posts)
14. We are being manipulated away from democracy to authortarianism and the messengers will claim we did
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:55 AM
Dec 2021

little to resist. They can make this claim because they don't carry the message of resistance. They parrot the conservative's imaginary, antifa, as the only opposition, and it is fake.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
46. Yes sir, again. Getting so frustrating because it's is getting so obvious.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 08:59 AM
Dec 2021

NBC CBS ABC and down the line….obviously now revealed as fascist sympathizers in my eyes.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
16. Yes
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:10 AM
Dec 2021
https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2021/12/this-is-rallying-point-for-democrats.html

This should be the rallying point for Democrats to pull together and move forward like a steamroller, crushing Republican opposition and winning the midterms in a landslide.

modrepub

(3,491 posts)
19. Dual Purpose
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:23 AM
Dec 2021

Generate anger among the (Republican) faithful and dismay in the opposition. Dismayed and frustrated voters tend to not show up at the pols. Very similar reaction amongst TFG supporters in the GA Senate 2020 elections.

Even if you're frustrated at this point you still need to show up on election day. Convincing yourself that you're voting for a lost cause tends to be a self fulfilling prophesy especially if you don't bother to vote.

I'll give credit to the Repubs, they sure know how to motivate their base and hide their preferences from pollsters. Not answering pollsters has basically hidden their impact and caused a lot of surprises over the last few election cycles.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
21. You speak the truth, however
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:32 AM
Dec 2021

You're probably also just preaching to the choir.

Average Joe needs to understand this.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
47. Average Joe is the target of the psychological manipulation, bet Big3Media has an entire
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:02 AM
Dec 2021

Psychological Warfare Department hidden somewhere.

Not sure Joe has a chance.

multigraincracker

(32,656 posts)
22. The effect of all of this bull is to
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:34 AM
Dec 2021

give the undemocratic goons more amo to scream the outcome is "they cheated" lie to be their excuse for more of the same if they lose.

After I cut the cable and now have a free service, Samsung Plus tv, I only get TYT news show. They seem to be right on with the "truth". It's much easier to find the truth in the print news.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
24. Hi Atticus. to coin a phrase, "You're preaching to the choir"
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:04 PM
Dec 2021

It's frightening to think that MSM is trying to mold our thoughts and behaviors, but after the election of 2016, I can't imagine any democrat taking these talking heads seriously. This both siderisming would be laughable if it weren't obvious. It's a big slap in the face to our intelligence, that MSM would think we take them seriously, IMHO

hay rick

(7,600 posts)
25. America's media is cozy with the enemies of democracy.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:05 PM
Dec 2021

The entire BBB story they are telling is the failure of the administration and Democratic senators to win over two Democrats. The failure of 50 Republicans to offer a single vote is ignored as irrelevant to the story they are determined to tell.

c-rational

(2,590 posts)
26. Agreed, and the same playbook as "Is she trustworthy? or what about her emails? Deceptive
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

and undermining!

Marthe48

(16,926 posts)
30. I have faith
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:24 PM
Dec 2021

It is so easy to enhance anxiety, when there is so much to worry about. My solution is to limit listening to news. It is fine to hear headlines, maybe some in-depth a couple times a day. If you put the tv or radio on a station and rip off the knob, you are not only getting t.m.i., but allowing the negative messages to brainwash you.

I try to concentrate on the positive-my family and loved ones are vaccinated and boosted, we are not wanting, and can help others in need. We all have wonderful family and friends. Since 2016, I have said goodbye to people who supported traitor, and overthrow of our country and also people who refuse to get vaccinated. My universe is a fool's paradise, but that's fine by me.

Happy holidays, Atticus I always read your sensible outlook that we can take to heart!

llmart

(15,535 posts)
49. +1
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:33 AM
Dec 2021

That's exactly how I've chosen to live my life. A daily diet of today's t.v. news is extremely bad for people. They may not realize it is, but it absolutely is. It seeps into your psyche and one day you find yourself in a place where you don't even recognize yourself any longer. I refuse to spend the remaining years of my life giving it over to the daily drumbeat of "Democrats are in disarray" messaging.

Love the way you state "my universe is a fool's paradise". If that's what I've chosen to do, well then, so be it.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
31. Demand specific policy ideas from every Repug
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:34 PM
Dec 2021

Democrats on every level, currently in office, running for office, DNC chair, every voter, must demand over and over again specific and written policies from every Repug candidate and office holder. Every media interview point out that the other side MUST present its concrete ideas. Press the media to demand it from both parties, not just Dems.

What are you specific, detailed, and written ideas on the economy, inflation, Covid, climate, health care, high tech education, SS funds running out, etc?

These dirt balls can not keep getting by with zero policy ideas and simply being against everything and igniting culture wars.

spanone

(135,802 posts)
32. 'news' revenues are down...m$nbc & cnn are now going to alternate features on Sunday nights....
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:40 PM
Dec 2021

..like they used to do before tfg.

Monetarily they loved tfg.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

FrankTC

(210 posts)
39. They Played the Manchin Card Now Because The January 6 Committe Was Making Progress
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:05 PM
Dec 2021

Remember how last week the opinionators began saying that the atmosphere was changing, people were starting to pay attention, it was beginning to look like the planners and orchestrators of 1/06 would be getting serious attention? Trump on the loose with O’Reilly was getting nowhere. So they played the Manchin card. BBB is done. Instead of strong and unified, Democrats are looking confused and ineffectual. The narrative turns on a dime. Let’s all talk about the end of Biden’s presidency instead of the perfidy of Trump. Hard to believe it wasn’t planned.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
40. Media wants to talk about the stupid shit Trump says
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:07 PM
Dec 2021

discussing the economy and budgets and policy is boring.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
44. It's not just the "talking heads" who are guilty of that...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:22 AM
Dec 2021

... there's a constant stream of shit being aimed at Biden, and his administration.

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