Could Manchin's planned betrayal be cover for an excuse to avoid changing the filibuster?

[dlk]

It just seems there’s more to this story.

[Irish_Dem]

1. We know without a doubt now, there is much more to the story.

He is a saboteur. Doing deliberate damage.

[2naSalit]

3. +1

And he tag-teams with that weirdo from Arizona.

[Irish_Dem]

5. She is not running her mouth like he is.

She has the good sense to shut up as she commits her crimes.

[2naSalit]

7. Only recently though.

I think Biden had a withering affect on her antics for attention. She needs to be voted out next election she's up for it.

[Irish_Dem]

8. Something shut her up.

Right she should be lining up a new job.
This one is going to go bye bye.

[Celerity]

17. The big danger with Sinema (she would be on board with the BBB in its reduced state I wager) is her

hardcore (perhaps even more than Manchin) refusal to budge at ALL on the filibuster. She actually wants a 60 vote threshold for all Senate business, ffs.

[Irish_Dem]

19. Yes of course. She is quite dangerous even if she keeps her mouth shut.

And stops flouncing around in ridiculous costumes.

[FBaggins]

2. Why would he need cover/excuse for not changing the filibuster?

Unlike a handful of others, he’s seen no reason to hide his position there

[dlk]

4. Manchin seems like he has a hidden agenda

He doesn’t come across as a straightforward person.

[FBaggins]

9. So... he's secretly planning to kill the filibuster?

Because he sure isn’t hiding wanting to leave it as it is. He has been incredibly straightforward about that.

[dlk]

10. His support of voting rights legislation is disingenuous

He has said he supports it but isn’t interested in changing the filibuster. That’s contradictory.

[FBaggins]

13. It is in no sense contradictory

People have supported legislation that doesn’t have enough support to pass for centuries. They don’t suddenly “not support” something just because they’re unwilling to change the rules in order to pass it.

[dlk]

14. I disagree

How much does Manchin actually support voting rights, if he has the ability to do something to get voting rights passed, yet refuses? This is one important reason why plutocracy and democracy can’t coexist.

[PTWB]

6. He's already flat out said he isn't getting rid of the filibuster.

It seems strange he'd be trying to cover for a position he's already publicly taken.

[dlk]

12. There's a difference between adjustments and total abolishment

It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Manchin recently agreed to a filibuster change for the budget. Apparently, he’ll negotiate in bad faith over voting rights, too.

[Demsrule86]

11. He doesn't need an excuse...he doesn't care.

[dlk]

15. True

When someone has no conscience, they can do anything.

[SunImp]

16. 1+++

[Celerity]

18. +1