The backlash facing Manchin will be a lot bigger than he thought,

[duforsure]

Watch what happens when he's made to vote against it as it is now, he'll change his position again. Machin has exposed himself as the fraud he's always been. He'll never be re-elected again after this.

[onenote]

1. He'll be 77 when his term ends.

Have to wonder if he even wants another term.

[OnDoutside]

2. True, or is there a younger Manchin in the wings ?

[onenote]

3. No.There is no Democrat of any stripe who will succeed Manchin.

The state is solidly red, top to bottom. Trump won every county in both 2016 and 2020. All three House seats are held by republicans who won election with at least 60 percent of the vote. The other Senate seat is held by a Republican who defeated her Democratic opponent by 40 points. The state senate has a 2-1 Republican majority and the state house has a more than 3-1 Republican majority.

[Frasier Balzov]

4. The WV electorate aren't thinking clearly.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

7. Maybe this will be a teachable moment for them.

[True Blue American]

13. There are always young Progressives waiting in the wings.

This has already been launched. Manchin barely won by 2 points.

https://www.journal-news.net/journal-news/progressive-group-launches-replacejoemanchin-com/article_ca94786c-338d-5d4d-8655-036a6d7aa33d.html

[Amishman]

17. trying to win with a progressive in WV??

See the other posts about how red the state has become.

WV is a perfect example of how cultural issues have moved the lines.

No newcomer is winning in WV without being anti LGBT, pro gun, anti abortion, anti social justice. WV went hard red as we moved into the 21st century with social issues, they saw what we now embraced and wanted nothing of it

[True Blue American]

18. WV was totally blue for decades.

So was Ohio. They can change in the blink of an eye. I have lived too long not to see that. Southern Ohio, all along the River , Republican for well over %100 years voted for Obama!

We had Democratic Senators, Democratic Governors and the Speaker of the House was from my small town on the river. I never say never.

But Manchin has come up with a plan better than what they have been arguing over. I will wait and see, but the latest.

Report is after the first of the year. Do not forget we took yje WH, the Senate and House. More people voted in the last election than ever!

[FBaggins]

20. There were lots of Manchins back then

There weren't a bunch of progressives.

There is zero chance of replacing Manchin with a progressive in WV any time in the foreseeable future. Nor any chance of replacing him with anyone to the left of him. He is literally the very best that we can get out of that seat.

[YoshidaYui]

5. if he is never elected again it serves him

right.

[True Blue American]

6. I just heard, Manchin has come up with a whole new plan! Bigger and better. This is getting good!

[duforsure]

8. He knows its backfiring on him,

So expect excuses and more changes to get his vote for passage. He doesn't want it going to a vote putting him on the record preventing its passage, and Democrats should stop talking with him and make him vote, and call his bluff on it ASAP, and not weaken it.

[True Blue American]

9. Experts are recommending

Biden take the plan! It is bigger and better than the one they have now. Billions for climate change.

He is blaming WH staff, not Biden! Joe and Joe are talking.

[duforsure]

12. Biden should call his bluff and make him vote no first,

Manchin will give in first, and he'll think twice before puling this kind of stunt again. Biden needs to regain HIS power, or he'll keep doing this to him. Biden needs to stop letting him make him look weak, and weakening his bills.

[FBaggins]

16. You heard wrong

The proposal you’re seeing discussed is the one that Manchin gave the president a few days ago.

There’s no new movement based on some imagined change of heart by Manchin due to some backlash.

What you’ve actually seen over the last two days is:

1- Manchin showed what should have been clear all along. We will not get anything close to the original wish list.

2- some of the most progressive heads exploded (note that we’re seeing Sanders/AOC/Omar/Jayapal and very little from mainstream democrats)

3- after a day of pulling out their hair… the realization finally dawns that we can either get nothing at all or we can get half-ish off the wish list.

So the messaging may soon turn to the positives of that half list. But we should have been there all along.

[taxi]

19. ...we should have been there all along

or, as they say - a bitching sailor is a happy sailor and I can't remember seeing everyone so happy.

[Sherman A1]

10. Believe it when I see it

Not a moment before.

[jaxexpat]

11. A very reasonable stance............... unless one is blind. Then it's just disagreeable.

Just saying.

[twodogsbarking]

14. If he is concerned that WV residents will spend their money

on drugs then why not fund programs that help people with drug problems.

[johnthewoodworker]

15. Manchin and Republican/Nazis will all win elections. This isn't a democracy.