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NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:13 AM Dec 2021

Looks like there are ...

... some very (not) fine traitors - on both sides.


(I think my meaning is clear - and if someone wants to alert on this, I'm happy to take the hit.)

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Looks like there are ... (Original Post) NanceGreggs Dec 2021 OP
the sad thing is we expect republicans MFM008 Dec 2021 #1
I think we should give a pass, at least for a few days, lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #2
Actually, I want to vent ... NanceGreggs Dec 2021 #3
love to read what you want to write Nance lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #5
He hung a shedload of very endangered swing district moderates out to dry. Celerity Dec 2021 #9
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #18
Oh, thanks for the OP! Celerity Dec 2021 #10
And other than Omicron, this has been the most discussed news of the day - everywhere. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #4
The Mods gave us many passes on this one -I got one malaise Dec 2021 #8
I am really shaken up about this... suncat Dec 2021 #6
I feel much the same way, both events hit me as well Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #11
'Hard not to feel the collective knife in the back among the millions of loyal Democrats, isn't it? hlthe2b Dec 2021 #13
Thank you Nance for saying this, duforsure Dec 2021 #7
There are some very active fingers, unfortunately... but I agree. hlthe2b Dec 2021 #12
You didn't bash anyone specifically. I think you pass the test. twodogsbarking Dec 2021 #14
As an (in)famous man once said: "It is what it is". Not speaking of it Atticus Dec 2021 #15
it's was his smug arrogance that had me screaming... agingdem Dec 2021 #16
Are they desperate? CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #19
but they keep electing him as a Democrat... agingdem Dec 2021 #20
Yep I know they need it. CrackityJones75 Dec 2021 #21
98% of the Democratic party SUPPORTS the bill that helps all Americans Eliot Rosewater Dec 2021 #17

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
1. the sad thing is we expect republicans
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:16 AM
Dec 2021

to be underhanded snakes......................................

lapfog_1

(31,895 posts)
2. I think we should give a pass, at least for a few days,
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:19 AM
Dec 2021

on posts that are only natural when someone feels like they have been stabbed in the back.

The President was stabbed in the back... that much is clear.

We all need to vent a little bit.

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
3. Actually, I want to vent ...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:24 AM
Dec 2021

... way more than a little bit - and my anger won't pass in a few days.

And it isn't just the President who got stabbed in the back here.

lapfog_1

(31,895 posts)
5. love to read what you want to write Nance
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:30 AM
Dec 2021

as always, you may rant away. At least reading your post will both entertain and enlighten the reader.

Celerity

(54,348 posts)
9. He hung a shedload of very endangered swing district moderates out to dry.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:26 AM
Dec 2021

We SO SO need them to have any hope of pulling off a miracle and holding the House.

And the true ruthlessness of Manchin's skulduggery is that many of them now left twisting in the wind in a target zone were part of Manchin's ( and No Labels coordinated) get togethers with Manchin, Sinema, and the Gottheimer crew, etc. when he was trying to get them to buy into his corporate sponsored, billionaire-friendly agenda in regards to both BIF and BBB.

No wonder Abigail Spanberger went off on old Coal Joe. She likely so gone now, barring Manchin caving on BBB AND the voter bills.

I gained a lot of respect for her, standing up to Manchin.

A prog could never win her district, so I totally accept her not being in alignment to a 95% level with my preferences. Only issue I had is that she went public taking potshots at elected House progs who did not attack her first.

But that is all water under the dam for me. We need our big tent to keep power.

Manchin has shown the true limits of the tent. Hopefully the rest of our caucus in both chambers uses this all to unite and fight.

suncat

(41 posts)
6. I am really shaken up about this...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:56 AM
Dec 2021

President Biden is such a good man and I think will be one of our greatest presidents, so this turn of events really hit me...to do that to him and to Americans is really cruel, IMHO. The last time I was this upset is when the Supreme Court ruled for Bush in Bush v. Gore. I was in shock, feeling like this is not the United States of America that I grew up in, and that I studied about in school.

Rhiannon12866

(255,238 posts)
11. I feel much the same way, both events hit me as well
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:33 AM
Dec 2021

Welcome to DU! We're glad to have you with us!

hlthe2b

(113,890 posts)
13. 'Hard not to feel the collective knife in the back among the millions of loyal Democrats, isn't it?
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:46 AM
Dec 2021

Welcome to DU. At least we can offer commiseration.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. Thank you Nance for saying this,
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:09 AM
Dec 2021

He's exposed himself again for what he is, a fraud, and not only are the American people outraged by his antics and is position now, the people in his state are seeing who he really is representing, and its not them. Backfiring on him so badly now I expect him to soon come up with more excuses to vote for its passage. He does that a lot.

hlthe2b

(113,890 posts)
12. There are some very active fingers, unfortunately... but I agree.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:44 AM
Dec 2021

and I consider some of those "active fingers" to be disruptive given the circumstances. sigh...

twodogsbarking

(18,731 posts)
14. You didn't bash anyone specifically. I think you pass the test.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:47 AM
Dec 2021

I served on the DU jury and had someone's negative comment about
Munchkin deleted. I don't like the guy but we have to maintain
some order here.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
15. As an (in)famous man once said: "It is what it is". Not speaking of it
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:18 AM
Dec 2021

does not make it go away.

Thank you.

agingdem

(8,838 posts)
16. it's was his smug arrogance that had me screaming...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:18 AM
Dec 2021

his contempt for the President and his constituents who are desperate for this bill to pass..what I found most telling was his reaction to the wave of condemnation from all of his Senate colleagues..instead of proudly "owning" his betrayal, he pointed a finger at the President's aides, blaming them for his about-face...and as per usual he then issued his benign threat to leave the party, this time faulting the progressives for pushing him into the waiting arms of THE DARK SIDE ...and then immediately backtracked when there were no voices begging him to stay...he messed up big time and he knows it (FOX News, really??)...he soured his relationship with the White House, his fellow senators have run out of fucks to give, and Schumer wants him on record screwing West Virginia...attaboy big guy, you showed 'em!!!

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
19. Are they desperate?
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 10:58 AM
Dec 2021

Are his constituents desperate for it to pass? It sure doesn’t seem like it. They keep electing him. They aren’t putting much pressure on him. Even after this there was just a handful of people that showed up to protest him. He IS however fucking over the rest of the country. But by and large the people of WV seem to appreciate him.

agingdem

(8,838 posts)
20. but they keep electing him as a Democrat...
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 11:09 AM
Dec 2021

that's the irony of their support...West Virginia is one of poorest states...they desperately need the BBB and yet Senator Maserati Riverboat Captain speaks for them...

 

CrackityJones75

(2,403 posts)
21. Yep I know they need it.
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 11:13 AM
Dec 2021

Yep I know they need it. But by and large I think WVians only want it if the people they don’t want to get it don’t get it.

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
17. 98% of the Democratic party SUPPORTS the bill that helps all Americans
Wed Dec 22, 2021, 10:39 AM
Dec 2021

100% of the repub party OPPOSES...

But you dont hear that, ever.

And I feel the same way about the person you are referring to.

98% equals almost all of the House and all but 2 in the Senate, but in the Senate it is exactly 98%.

And as to getting things made invisible, mine are usually when I predict how BAD the cons will be, or lately it was saying Putin was behind the suicide bomber in Afghanistan. sigh

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