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duforsure

(11,885 posts)
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:23 AM Dec 2021

Biden and Schumer should call for a vote ASAP now,

And tell Manchin they may have another vote for it as it is now. Make him sweat it out and vote no, and my guess is he'll reverse his position rather than do what he said he would do. That way it gets passed without it being weakened more by Manchin, and stop being bullied into everything , and every time getting bills stripped down by him. If that fails so what, he won't vote for it anyway. He'll continue making up excuses why he can't vote for it.

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Biden and Schumer should call for a vote ASAP now, (Original Post) duforsure Dec 2021 OP
Also, there are other fish in the sea besides Manchin. We take it for granted that Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #1
No, there isn't. That is just wishful thinking. Those running will not risk a primary and the wrath Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #14
Bull. Plenty of these guys are dirty up to their elbows and would Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #19
You know the senate is on vacation until January 3rd jimfields33 Dec 2021 #2
Yes I know duforsure Dec 2021 #8
Wherever you heard that probably reported on Schumer's plans to hold votes? Hortensis Dec 2021 #18
It is literally impossible right now obamanut2012 Dec 2021 #3
It's pretty close to impossible even if the senate weren't on vacation FBaggins Dec 2021 #4
According To Schumer WHITT Dec 2021 #5
Today in the Wheeling Intellegencer their poll was doc03 Dec 2021 #6
Wow, so many self-hurting idiots there nt XanaDUer2 Dec 2021 #10
This is why I think it is unfair to blame Sen. Manchin. He governs a red state...and if he can be Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #12
It's not about his "voters". BradAllison Dec 2021 #15
I've been to Wheeling BradAllison Dec 2021 #13
A few years ago you couldn't find many Republicans doc03 Dec 2021 #17
Chuck should hold them in session until BBB & Voting Rights are passed SheltieLover Dec 2021 #7
How could you do this with Warren and Booker both out with Covid? Jersey Devil Dec 2021 #9
Why would they do that...what is in it for us Reach some sort of compromise and vote next year. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #11
So you don't beleive Joe Biden? BradAllison Dec 2021 #16

Scrivener7

(50,989 posts)
1. Also, there are other fish in the sea besides Manchin. We take it for granted that
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:27 AM
Dec 2021

no republiQan can be convinced to vote against the bloc. But there must be at least one or two of them who are having an affair they don't want their spouses to know about. Time for arm twisting.

And for those who will tell me, "Democrats don't do that! We are too morally pure! It will make us exactly like them!" I will answer, "Yes. Our 'moral purity' is the problem. And it will make us like them? Really? You have not been paying any attention at all."

Demsrule86

(68,632 posts)
14. No, there isn't. That is just wishful thinking. Those running will not risk a primary and the wrath
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:22 AM
Dec 2021

of Trump and his minions. Those retiring want to work within the party mostly and won't do it either...did any Republican help Pres. Obama out ever in the eight years he was president. No, they didn't and it is worse now.

Scrivener7

(50,989 posts)
19. Bull. Plenty of these guys are dirty up to their elbows and would
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:14 PM
Dec 2021

be ruined if their actions were made public.

They did it to Lindsay. We only need 2.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Wherever you heard that probably reported on Schumer's plans to hold votes?
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:58 AM
Dec 2021
WaPo: "Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) put out his own statement in the form of a Dear Colleague letter that vowed to put Manchin’s feet to the fire. “Senators should be aware that the Senate will, in fact, consider the Build Back Better Act, very early in the new year so that every Member of this body has the opportunity to make their position known on the Senate floor, not just on television,” he wrote. The Senate will vote in January on a “revised version of the House-passed Build Back Better Act — and we will keep voting on it until we get something done.

For good measure, Schumer also informed members that it was time to force the hand of Manchin (and of Arizona Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Sinema) on voting rights as early as the first week back in January. “If Senate Republicans continue to abuse the filibuster and prevent the body from considering this bill, the Senate will then consider changes to any rules which prevent us from debating and reaching final conclusion on important legislation,” Schumer wrote. In a pointed reminder to Manchin of the late Senate rules maestro and fellow West Virginian, Schumer noted, “As Former Senator Robert C. Byrd said in 1979, Senate rules that seemed appropriate in the past ‘must be changed to reflect changed circumstances.’”

A Senate caucus meeting will take place Tuesday night, possibly the most anticipated caucus meeting in years."

That's tonight. I think Friday will be the actual last day of this session.

Fwiw, outraged as we are by the betrayal in this turn of evenets, it's normal for important hegislation to be battled over for long periods. The ACA was declared dying or outright dead a number of times before we finally battled it successfully to passage. In the end, the toughest opposition was from those within our own party who wanted a more cautious, less comprehensive beginning. At one point Pelosi had to tell Obama and the rest of the leadership that she would pass the house's comprehensive form or nothing.

FBaggins

(26,756 posts)
4. It's pretty close to impossible even if the senate weren't on vacation
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:41 AM
Dec 2021

Too many DUers really can't seem to appreciate the realities of a 50/50 senate.

Schumer only has the power to schedule votes because he has 50 senators backing him up.

Your average Republican senator can gum things up substantially just by failing to agree to unanimous consent... but a Democrat who doesn't want a quickly-scheduled vote to be held - has much more power.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
5. According To Schumer
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:47 AM
Dec 2021

when they return, they will tackle voting rights first, then he plans on bringing the BBB to the floor over, and over, and over, and over again.

doc03

(35,361 posts)
6. Today in the Wheeling Intellegencer their poll was
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:51 AM
Dec 2021

"Is Senator Manchin correct to oppose Biden's Biuld Back Better bill"
Yes 65%
No. 35%

You think he would vote for it?

Demsrule86

(68,632 posts)
12. This is why I think it is unfair to blame Sen. Manchin. He governs a red state...and if he can be
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:19 AM
Dec 2021

elected at least one more time...it is a great thing for us...might help us hold the majority. That being said he will vote for something I think if we play our cards right.

doc03

(35,361 posts)
17. A few years ago you couldn't find many Republicans
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:34 AM
Dec 2021

there. We lost that with the loss of Unions. Somehow the Republicans have managed to shift the blame for the loss of manufacturing jobs on the unions. The Republicans moved the jobs to China and unions get the blame.It was Republicans votes that overwelmingly passed NAFTA but
Clinton got 100% of the blame.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
7. Chuck should hold them in session until BBB & Voting Rights are passed
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:56 AM
Dec 2021

To show unity with Joe and to give them incentive to get this done.

Any pukes wishing to abstain are welcome to go home.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
9. How could you do this with Warren and Booker both out with Covid?
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:12 AM
Dec 2021

Even if Manchin reversed course and voted yes it would not matter.

Demsrule86

(68,632 posts)
11. Why would they do that...what is in it for us Reach some sort of compromise and vote next year.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:18 AM
Dec 2021

While rushing around sticking it to Manchin may seem like a good idea, it is not... a moment of satisfaction...a fleeting moment. A far better solution would be to find a compromise. If it is true that Manchin will vote for a bill without the child credit and paid family leave, then let's do it. There is good stuff in that bill including universal Pre-K...other stuff too. Let not the perfect become the enemy of the good. And attacking Manchin could drive him to switch parties which means no more judges. Priorities folks...let use our heads and make the best of this situation. In the end, it moves us forward.

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