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Joinfortmill

(20,937 posts)
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 10:48 AM Dec 2021

So.... I mean....

Linguists and English teachers everywhere, help! A few years ago I noticed media commentators beginning statements with the word, 'So'. At the time I found it a mild oddity for folks who were considered professional speakers. A few months ago, 'So' morphed into 'I mean' which is cringe worthy. So, I mean, can we stop this? Asking for listeners everywhere.

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So.... I mean.... (Original Post) Joinfortmill Dec 2021 OP
Well, I guess Walleye Dec 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #2
nordenbluejay nordenbluejay Dec 2021 #3
Me? Guilty! lamp_shade Dec 2021 #4
I mean it is what it is. nt doc03 Dec 2021 #5
So, that happened. dchill Dec 2021 #6
So, I mean, Um, You know... madaboutharry Dec 2021 #7
I so know what you mean! 2naSalit Dec 2021 #8
Sew......buttons LakeArenal Dec 2021 #9
A needle pulling thread... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #10
Well listen, sanatanadharma Dec 2021 #11
My long-standing pet peeve. I was especially pissed when it migrated from Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #12
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #18
I've really noticed lately Bayard Dec 2021 #13
And more often than not, it is followed by totally incomprehensible babble that tries to obscure Beastly Boy Dec 2021 #21
So let's see its history and understand its place in rhetorical contexts. ancianita Dec 2021 #14
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #23
"Honestly..." Totally Tunsie Dec 2021 #15
I noticed it a lot on NPR, but mostly with the science folks... SKKY Dec 2021 #16
English is a living language. multigraincracker Dec 2021 #17
That would explain the rise of vocal fry. johnp3907 Dec 2021 #22
It is what it is. johnp3907 Dec 2021 #19
"So" has been SO overused for ten years or... so. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2021 #20
So... No... Ohio Joe Dec 2021 #24
So now put "so" in front of every header here. So it's a style. So it's not a problem. ancianita Dec 2021 #25
Something else I noticed that's popped up everywhere: Talitha Dec 2021 #26
That's what you tell the cops if you're trying to be nice while waiting for your lawyer. Iggo Dec 2021 #28
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #29
Don't tell me what you meant before you've said anything at all. Iggo Dec 2021 #27
It is a habit I developed out of professional necessity. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #30
Like, let me tell you, you know ... 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #31

Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

madaboutharry

(42,032 posts)
7. So, I mean, Um, You know...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:00 AM
Dec 2021

These words are placeholders, pauses that give a person time to think.

When I was in a high school speech class, my teacher stopped me in the middle of my little speech and said: “If you can make it to the end without saying YOU KNOW, I’ll give you an A.” And I did I it!

sanatanadharma

(4,088 posts)
11. Well listen,
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:31 AM
Dec 2021

Another useless introduction into answering an interview question.

No, I asked you a question! Why should I listen?

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
12. My long-standing pet peeve. I was especially pissed when it migrated from
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:37 AM
Dec 2021

the spoken language to writing.

I mean every word I said, so I will end my rant here.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
21. And more often than not, it is followed by totally incomprehensible babble that tries to obscure
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:29 PM
Dec 2021

the subject being discussed.

ancianita

(43,256 posts)
14. So let's see its history and understand its place in rhetorical contexts.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:41 AM
Dec 2021

So I have these Jewish friends. I asked them why they start their sentences with that, and that it was a style I'd heard from my Jewish friends since the 60's in North Miami. Back then, I asked, too. At both times, both sets of friends told me that their culture initiated this start of sentences to signify that their conversations are part of a larger ongoing conversation. So it's a dialectical habit.

So what do you think? Should "so" become judged as inappropriate because it's used often?

I mean, so what?

You want to know what's a worse linguistic habit? "The fact of the matter is..." followed by an f'n opinion or unobservable, unsourced, unverified claim. That sloppy language ticks me off.

SKKY

(12,795 posts)
16. I noticed it a lot on NPR, but mostly with the science folks...
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:00 PM
Dec 2021

...when they were explaining something it would start like this, "So, the interesting thing about entangled photons...". So, yea, I naturally started doing it because, well, I wanted to sound intelligent. Now, I just sound like I have no idea what I'm going to say next, I just hope I'll be able to land the plane at some point. At least the expression "nothing burger" never stuck. I always thought that was silly and to be generally avoided.

johnp3907

(4,284 posts)
19. It is what it is.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:20 PM
Dec 2021

To which I invariably reply: “No it isn’t.” Just to mess with people.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
20. "So" has been SO overused for ten years or... so.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:29 PM
Dec 2021

It can be a funny way to open a monologue, similar to when Prof. Irwin Corey would begin a spiel with "However!"

Talitha

(7,902 posts)
26. Something else I noticed that's popped up everywhere:
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 01:14 PM
Dec 2021
"That's a really good question."

Children seem encouraged and flattered when an adult says it to them, but to me it sounds patronizing when an adult says it to another adult. Been hearing it more and more lately.

Iggo

(49,878 posts)
28. That's what you tell the cops if you're trying to be nice while waiting for your lawyer.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 03:49 PM
Dec 2021

“That’s a really good question and I’d love to answer that as soon as my lawyer gets here.”

😂😂😂

Ms. Toad

(38,512 posts)
30. It is a habit I developed out of professional necessity.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:13 PM
Dec 2021

I teach students to write bar exam essays. Until very recently, there was a 3900 character limit - and a lot of ground to cover in the 3900 characters. "So" is a nice short transition word which makes an essay that is otherwise very choppy flow more smoothy.

Now that I've developed it (along with losing the comma after "thus&quot I am discovering it is a hard habit to break.

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