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kpete

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Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:59 AM Dec 2021

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More reason for a 1/6 INVESTIGATION Pantagruel Dec 2021 #1
But did Trump ask for the guard? Because I heard everyone else asked but him Maraya1969 Dec 2021 #2
I smell something here. BlueJac Dec 2021 #3
Good sign Traildogbob Dec 2021 #4
The article is pure bullshit, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #6
The plan was to have "Antifa" and leftist protesters fighting with trumpers. If the left had tblue37 Dec 2021 #10
They were all afraid, yet nobody moved to invoke the 25th amendment and remove Trump. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #5
They were not afraid, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #7
If Pence had any sense of pride to protect himself and family, RicROC Dec 2021 #13
They were not afraid, they were part of the Coup attempt. Dan Dec 2021 #16
Those concerns could explain why Guard units weren't Hortensis Dec 2021 #8
Milley was probably right WestofDenver Dec 2021 #9
Oh, Baby! bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #11
they did their duty llashram Dec 2021 #12
But wasn't it absolutely 100% confirmed sarisataka Dec 2021 #14
*cough*bullshit*cough* Nevilledog Dec 2021 #15
 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
1. More reason for a 1/6 INVESTIGATION
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:07 PM
Dec 2021

and compliance by the witnesses.

Maraya1969

(23,499 posts)
2. But did Trump ask for the guard? Because I heard everyone else asked but him
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:11 PM
Dec 2021

And I thought it was because he wanted them to do the most damage to the capitol and maybe kill Pence.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
3. I smell something here.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:15 PM
Dec 2021

Just saying.

Traildogbob

(13,021 posts)
4. Good sign
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:19 PM
Dec 2021

You may NOT have Covid. Maybe the high amount of Covid in non Vaxxed GQP is why they cannot smell the trump shit, and fully believe it all.

gab13by13

(32,349 posts)
6. The article is pure bullshit,
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:30 PM
Dec 2021

What was the Guard going to do to obey Trump's orders? Fight against the Capitol police? If the Guard fought against the traitors that's what we wanted them to do, the insurrection would have been stopped and the vote counting continue.

Someone needs to subpoena military officials. We have a document that was written by a National Guard whistleblower who claims that generals lied to Congress. Why has this whistleblowers claims been swept under the rug.

Fuck this article, it sounds to me like a huge CYA.

tblue37

(68,437 posts)
10. The plan was to have "Antifa" and leftist protesters fighting with trumpers. If the left had
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:38 PM
Dec 2021

allowed themselves to be sucked into it, the National Guard would have been deployed "to protect pro-Trump people" (as Mark Meadows said), and Trump would have used the violence as an excuse to declare a national emergency, invoke the Insurrection Act, and attempt to seize dictatorial power.

But since the left stayed home and left the stage to the trumper insurrectionists, Trump refused to deploy the guard to control them.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,254 posts)
5. They were all afraid, yet nobody moved to invoke the 25th amendment and remove Trump.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:30 PM
Dec 2021

Let them testify to that in a televised congressional hearing.

gab13by13

(32,349 posts)
7. They were not afraid,
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:32 PM
Dec 2021

someone was responsible for delaying the Guard and this article is pure BS. Bring in the Guard whistleblower and let him testify, publicly, before the select committee.

RicROC

(1,249 posts)
13. If Pence had any sense of pride to protect himself and family,
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:49 PM
Dec 2021

after the attack on the Capitol, he should have arrested Trump and then let the chips fall constitutionally.

If he publicly called for the invocation of 25th Amendment, in that small window the rest of the Cabinet would have agreed with him.

Dan

(5,184 posts)
16. They were not afraid, they were part of the Coup attempt.
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:52 PM
Dec 2021

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Those concerns could explain why Guard units weren't
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:36 PM
Dec 2021

deployed to the Capitol, of course, and could explain any lies by the commanding generals involved about why they weren't. Claiming they thought it would be "bad optics" perhaps seemed preferable to admitting fear of a possible military-supported coup by the president.

“LTG Piatt stated that it would not be his best military advice to recommend to the Secretary of the Army that the D.C. National Guard be allowed to deploy to the Capitol at that time,” Matthews wrote, adding: “LTGs Piatt and Flynn stated that the optics of having uniformed military personnel deployed to the U.S. Capitol would not be good. Piatt and Flynn suggested instead that Guardsmen take over D.C. police officers’ traffic duties so those officers could head to the Capitol, Matthews continues."

WestofDenver

(27 posts)
9. Milley was probably right
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:36 PM
Dec 2021

I read elsewhere the theory that the reason *drumps circle was so panicked over visuals is that they were expecting opposition to show and engage with the insurrectionists, permitting the NatGrd to be deployed and Insurrection Act invoked. When no oppo showed and the 'circle' lost control over their mob, that's when the e-mails to Meadow started flowing. The delayed NG deployment (directed by Flynn's brother?) was, in my mind, in hopes oppo would show and the plan could proceed.

bucolic_frolic

(55,177 posts)
11. Oh, Baby!
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:41 PM
Dec 2021

There were motives behind the bigger pieces of the puzzle. They say of coups, of revolutions, of dictators, of governments, if you've lost the military, you've lost everything.

So the doubts of many of the officials surrounding TFG were whispered, privately. If this is the predominant trend, the coup plotters and leaders including TFG are just about hung out to dry!

llashram

(6,269 posts)
12. they did their duty
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:41 PM
Dec 2021

to our country, not a psychopathic POTUS and advisors

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
14. But wasn't it absolutely 100% confirmed
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:50 PM
Dec 2021

That they were held back by Trump's cronies?

The story changes so often it is like watching a tennis match

Nevilledog

(55,083 posts)
15. *cough*bullshit*cough*
Tue Dec 21, 2021, 12:52 PM
Dec 2021
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