Good news - mild Covid long lasting antibodies- Washington Univ

[womanofthehills]

People who have had a mild case of COVID-19 are left with long-term antibody protection against future disease, according to a study from researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis.


https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/

[leftstreet]

1. Why would protection be different with a less mild case?

The article doesn't make that clear

edit: They actually only studied mild cases. Weird

[Hugh_Lebowski]

2. This is good overall, and long-maintained is likely to be the case

However it does mean we may need to be a bit more accommodating to the 'natural immunity' crowd, which is anathema to our collective religious-like fervor for insisting everyone is vaccinated no matter what ... so there's that

You're also still really dumb if you go out and purposefully infect yourself instead of getting the vaccine if you HAVE NOT already had it. Especially if you're not a quite young person in generally very good health.

[Ms. Toad]

6. Sorry, but no.

This is based on a study of a grand total of 77 people, over a short period of time.

The team already had enrolled 77 participants who were giving blood samples at three-month intervals starting about a month after initial infection.

Way too little data to accommodate the "natural immunity" crowd.

Now if they are in that group of 77, or can otherwise prove they have antibodies, that's another story. But most of them wont be willing to either test or spend the money. Vaccines are free to the individual.

[leftstreet]

8. +1

This seems like a fishy "study." And from back in May.

Sounds like some federal pandemic money filtered down to the researchers and they said "hey let's try this thing..."

[Hugh_Lebowski]

9. 77 is not necessarily that small of a cohort, depending on the mean

and what the confidence interval shows up as.

Assuming also a properly random sample.

This is also not the first study to show findings along these lines.

I'd concur that it's still appropriate to think of them as 'being dumb', but AFA possibly considering whether they have a case to, I dunno, not lose their job taking care of severely ill people (which we kinda need them for) based on being able to prove they have a similar level of protection to a vaccinated person?

I think evidence has been steadily accumulating to suggest this is a reasonable position.

MHO, fwiw.

[Ms. Toad]

12. The key is proof.

Not just - hey - I already COVID so I don't need to be vaccinated. As I noted - antibody tests are available. They are not free. Vaccines are, at least to those seeking them.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

17. Okay, agree ... your word should not be enough, need antibody tests for sure :) nt

[FreeState]

16. +1 it's from May too and doesn't reflect current variants n/t

[Johnny2X2X]

3. Going through my second bout right now

Had a very mild case last Fall. Fully vaccinated with booster. Tested positive yesterday. Been a brutal 24 hours. But I have improved some today. Worse than any flu I’ve ever had.

I shudder to think how bad this could be if I had not been vaccinated and had a mild case before. It’s just terrible. Just a full body ache and horrible sinus pain and headache. I’ve been so careful, but i got it anyway. Maskless people everywhere at the grocery store is the likely source for me. Omicron is a game changer. Basically everyone is going to get it now IMO.

[Tactical Peek]

4. First confirmed US death related to Omicron variant ... had been infected before

First confirmed US death related to Omicron variant was unvaccinated and had been infected before


A Texas man, whose death was the first confirmed Omicron-related in the US, was unvaccinated and had previously been infected with the coronavirus, according to a press release from Harris County Public Health.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142843610


Just sayin'.

[Ms. Toad]

7. Aw, gee. Maybe that natural immunity isn't so hot after all.

And maybe Omicron isn't so mild after all.

[BGBD]

10. Or

Maybe even typically mild viruses can kill people.

[dweller]

5. This news or something very similar

was brought before, around or before delta … I posted a link then to a release about early cases antibodies were, as I recall, likely to ‘evolve’ for lack of a better word, to combat future variants. At the time vaccines were still recommended to boost that natural immunity.
I’ll go look back in my previous posts, but I’m not sure they’ll go back that far

On edit: can’t find my post, but found these links in search

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/your-immune-system-evolves-to-fight-coronavirus-variants/

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677208/new-studies-find-evidence-of-superhuman-immunity-to-covid-19-in-some-individuals

2nd link is similar to the one I found before
✌🏻

[BannonsLiver]

11. Uh oh.

Clout chasers don’t approve.

[roamer65]

13. I'll stick with my Moderna.

[Wounded Bear]

14. Me, too...nt

[FreeState]

15. Here is a report that says the opposite (Imperial College London)

Omicron largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses
by Emily Head, Dr Sabine L. van Elsland
17 December 2021

The Omicron variant largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses according to the latest Imperial modelling.

The new report (Report 49) from the Imperial College London COVID-19 response team estimates that the risk of reinfection with the Omicron variant is 5.4 times greater than that of the Delta variant. This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.

Researchers estimate the growth and immune escape of the Omicron variant in England. They used data from the UKHSA and NHS for all PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 cases in England who had taken a COVID test between November 29th and December 11th 2021.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/modelling-suggests-rapid-spread-omicron-england/amp/

[womanofthehills]

18. From nature.com - bone marrow cells can churn out antibodies for a lifetime

(But variants can still be a problem)

Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
People who recover from mild COVID-19 have bone-marrow cells that can churn out antibodies for decades, although viral variants could dampen some of the protection they offer.



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9