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turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 09:29 PM Dec 2021

Here's the most 'distinctive mystery' that remains about the Capitol riots one year later: reporter

By Matthew Chapman
Published December 23, 2021

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On Thursday, in a new video posted to Twitter, NBC4 Washington's Scott MacFarlane — the main correspondent covering the January 6 Capitol insurrection trials — laid out the most "distinctive mystery" that still continues about the event.

"There are a lot of questions that still have to be answered from January 6th, a lot of big questions, but let's not lose sight of the distinctively big question that remains right here," said MacFarlane, standing in front of the Republican National Committee headquarters. "There was somebody on January 5th, 2021 who left destructive pipe bombs right here, and near Democratic Party headquarters. And as of tonight, the FBI has not announced an arrest, or publicly announced a suspect."

"In a vacuum — separate it from the rest of January 6th — what a profoundly important question that is," continued MacFarlane. "Who left pipe bombs on Capitol Hill? It's a question that has yet to be publicly answered. We know they've been flooded with tips, and they keep showing those surveillance images, those surveillance videos ... to yield and generate more tips. But no announced arrest just yet."

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-pipe-bomb/

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Here's the most 'distinctive mystery' that remains about the Capitol riots one year later: reporter (Original Post) turbinetree Dec 2021 OP
DURec leftstreet Dec 2021 #1
I doubt it was rogue bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #3
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2021 #7
+1 SheltieLover Dec 2021 #15
Unless the person is a blabber-mouth about doing it... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2021 #4
I agree. Lochloosa Dec 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #10
Military? SheltieLover Dec 2021 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #19
I wonder SheltieLover Dec 2021 #31
We don't have telescopes that can see gravel on the Moon. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #20
Enjoyed reading the story re guy in high school bobbed up and down msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #42
Yes, I wasn't even sure about the person's gender. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2021 #43
I saw a comparison of the gait and shoes AmBlue Dec 2021 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #37
Interesting Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #33
K&R spanone Dec 2021 #5
Run with the physical description bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #11
Who and why? Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #12
If the bombs had gone off gab13by13 Dec 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #29
I remember reading an article maybe a couple months ago tanyev Dec 2021 #45
The distraction theory has merit. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #46
K&R reACTIONary Dec 2021 #13
Where was Ivanka at that time? Aviation Pro Dec 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #23
Ivanka's tall, like her daddy. Trump likes tall women, so both Melania and Ivanka's mom are tall. Hekate Dec 2021 #30
One of the Proud Boys probably knows FakeNoose Dec 2021 #18
A Proud boy or other militia thug wnylib Dec 2021 #34
Who were the potential targets? SayItLoud Dec 2021 #21
It was meant to create chaos, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #26
Exactly. Declare martial law or at least close down Captain Zero Dec 2021 #36
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Oh please. former9thward Dec 2021 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #25
Trump blamed it on the FBI... kentuck Dec 2021 #27
Timothy McVeight might never have been caught flamingdem Dec 2021 #28
Could be the bombs have a connection to the Jan 6 capitol riot. fwvinson Dec 2021 #35
Dr. G. Jack Brown has an interesting theory. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2021 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #41
I believe the FBI knows who the bomber is. Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #44
Dump drops multiple daily bowel bombs down the pipes every day Blue Owl Dec 2021 #47
... trusty elf Dec 2021 #48
BwHahaha, thanks for the holiday laugh! Blue Owl Dec 2021 #49

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Buckeye_Democrat

(15,526 posts)
4. Unless the person is a blabber-mouth about doing it...
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 09:54 PM
Dec 2021

... I'd be amazed that he's ever caught, from only the surveillance videos that I've seen.

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SheltieLover

(80,486 posts)
31. I wonder
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:42 PM
Dec 2021

Paid mercenary?

I really don't know. But I do agree about security & that the person should have been arrested long ago!

I get the feeling it would be quite inconvenient to arrest this traitor...

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,526 posts)
17. We don't have telescopes that can see gravel on the Moon.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:12 PM
Dec 2021

We don't even have telescopes that can see the lunar landers, and even a giant stadium on the Moon would be barely a dot using the Hubble telescope.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/moon-hoax-why-not-use-telescopes-to-look-at-the-landers
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So let’s look at our lunar descent stage. It’s 4 meters across, but 400,000,000 meters away. That gives it an angular size of (4/400,000,000) x 206265 = 0.002 arcseconds.

Hey, wait a sec! Hubble’s resolution is only 0.1 arcseconds, so the lander is way too small to be seen as anything more than a dot, even by Hubble. It would have to be a lot bigger to be seen at all. In fact, if you do the math (set Hubble’s resolution to 0.1 arcseconds and the distance to 400,000 kilometers) you see that Hubble’s resolution on the Moon is about 200 meters! In other words, even a football stadium on the Moon would look like a dot to Hubble.

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As for everything else, the person might've never stayed at a hotel or anywhere else with decent surveillance cameras.

The surveillance video that I've seen isn't very clear at all, and the person was wearing a hoodie with a mask over his face. So I'd be surprised if anyone who's personally interacted with that guy could identify him that way. And that's how most of the Capital insurrectionists were caught... somebody recognized them.

Also, artificial intelligence sucks at identifying patterns that humans can detect easily. There's a reason why "captcha" tests are given online to prove you're a human. It's because AI stinks at even recognizing something simple like bicycles among a mess of other imagery.

And I don't consider that person's gait to be especially unusual, at least not enough that I'd remember it each time that I saw other people walking. Most people walk weird, to me, to be quite honest -- shuffling along to "look cool", or whatever the heck explains their very inefficient-looking walking styles.

Maybe if it was truly weird, like one guy from my high school who bobbed up and down like he was on a pogo stick (as he'd always land on his heels and then lift his feet off the ground from his tippy-toes for whatever reason), then maybe I'd call the FBI to report that guy from my high school of years ago. (At a high school of thousands of students, that kid's head bobbing up and down could be easily recognized among a crowd from hundreds of yards away.)

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msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
42. Enjoyed reading the story re guy in high school bobbed up and down
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:08 PM
Dec 2021

The images I saw were not clear to me either. the hoodie and mask was very effective and though the gait was a little unusual, not that distinctive to me either, other than my first instinct conveyed female.

But since traditional gender characteristics no longer apply and given the hoodie and mask, it's going to be fairly unlikely to positively identify this person, I think.

Which is unfortunate.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,526 posts)
43. Yes, I wasn't even sure about the person's gender.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:22 PM
Dec 2021

That person might be a big-mouth about it eventually, but I'm not very confident about capturing that individual otherwise.

I suspect that kid from my high school had some kind of physical disability, so I always had sympathy for him, but his walking style was the most unique that I've ever seen. I was tempted to ask him about it a few times, to better understand it, but I never did. I had a couple classes with him during my time in high school, and he certainly never came across as mentally challenged at all.

AmBlue

(3,460 posts)
32. I saw a comparison of the gait and shoes
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:42 PM
Dec 2021

... to Marjorie Traitor Green. Eerily similar. If I can find it I'll post it.

***EDITED TO ADD*** Lots of speculation here: https://www.ibtimes.sg/marjorie-taylor-greene-pipe-bomber-u-s-reps-prior-knowledge-explosive-devices-planted-dc-59202

Lke how did she know about pipe bombs before they were found?

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bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
8. Run with the physical description
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 10:39 PM
Dec 2021

What do you see? I'd say about 5'4" to 5'7". Very slightly bow-legged. Medium build and not curvy. Prob female.

Anyone see something different? Surely ...

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Irish_Dem

(81,277 posts)
9. Who and why?
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 10:41 PM
Dec 2021

What purpose did it serve on the night before 1/6.

I don't think the timing is coincidence.
And I don't think it was rogue.

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gab13by13

(32,335 posts)
22. If the bombs had gone off
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:21 PM
Dec 2021

and if there was a counter-protest, it gave Trump more reason to declare martial law.

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tanyev

(49,297 posts)
45. I remember reading an article maybe a couple months ago
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:17 PM
Dec 2021

and I’m sorry I can’t find it now, but one of the men they profiled was LEO who was outside the Capitol and watching, but waiting for reinforcements to arrive. So maybe DC police or FBI. And one of the scenarios they had discussed prior to Jan. 6 was the possibility of a bomb that would create a distraction and pull a lot of responding law enforcement away to deal with the bomb, leaving a clear path for the mob at the Capitol.

And while he’s out there watching the situation at the Capitol deteriorate, a call does indeed come over the radio about a bomb. And most of his colleagues do take off to respond to that, leaving him one of a very few left at the Capitol wondering WTH is going on.

I think finding out who planted the bomb and who came up with that plan would be the final piece of the puzzle.

Irish_Dem

(81,277 posts)
46. The distraction theory has merit.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 02:11 PM
Dec 2021

That makes sense. Keep the police occupied elsewhere while the mob gains access to the Capitol. Once the mob is in the building it is going to be harder for the police to gain control.

Which is in fact exactly what happened.

I wonder if it was someone with knowledge of law enforcement? Who might know exactly how many police would be on duty, how many would leave to respond to the bomb call. Though I suppose non LE could figure this out.

Yes I would like this piece of the puzzle to fall into place.

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Hekate

(100,133 posts)
30. Ivanka's tall, like her daddy. Trump likes tall women, so both Melania and Ivanka's mom are tall.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:36 PM
Dec 2021

No harm in asking the question, but there are a lot of reasons First Daughter gets eliminated, and that’s only one.


FakeNoose

(41,637 posts)
18. One of the Proud Boys probably knows
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:14 PM
Dec 2021

Somebody will spill the beans to get a shorter sentence.

wnylib

(26,019 posts)
34. A Proud boy or other militia thug
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:26 AM
Dec 2021

might have been told that it was there, but not know who placed it there. Not likely to reveal who told him.

SayItLoud

(1,774 posts)
21. Who were the potential targets?
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:19 PM
Dec 2021

Was one location the primary target and the other intended to be something other?

Knowing who the targets were, where they were at the time of the planting of the pipes and at the time set for detonation is important.

And it would seem that the media could get a lot of the answers to those questions.

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Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
36. Exactly. Declare martial law or at least close down
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:45 AM
Dec 2021

All of DC so that the electoral vote counts couldn't be certified.

If the bombs had gone off and if the insurrectionists tasked with seizing the actual electoral votes had accomplished that, it would have been mass confusion.

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former9thward

(33,424 posts)
38. Oh please.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:15 AM
Dec 2021

A couple of pipe bombs? Martial law? They were not even at government offices.

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flamingdem

(40,898 posts)
28. Timothy McVeight might never have been caught
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 11:25 PM
Dec 2021

if he didn't have a broken tail light. Just saying..

 

fwvinson

(488 posts)
35. Could be the bombs have a connection to the Jan 6 capitol riot.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:32 AM
Dec 2021

Maybe that was part of the plan by our lovely Republican "leaders".

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
39. Dr. G. Jack Brown has an interesting theory.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:20 AM
Dec 2021

He is a body language expert and has analyzed the person in the videos and he thinks it's Marjorie Taylor Greene.



Dr. Jack Brown
@DrGJackBrown
1/ THREAD: Body Language Analysis No. 4622: FBI and Washington Post Videos of Washington DC Pipe Bombing Suspect — 5 January 2021

#BodyLanguage #BodyLanguageExpert #EmotionalIntelligence #PipeBomb #DCPipeBomber

Second thread:


Dr. Jack Brown
@DrGJackBrown
1/ THREAD: Body Language Analysis No. 4628: Marjorie Taylor Greene's response to Jim Banks testimony regarding past bombing and domestic terrorism.
https://c-span.org/video/?c4992003/user-clip-jim-banks-exposes-democrats-position-domestic-terrorism

#BodyLanguageExpert #BodyLanguage #EmotionalIntelligence #MarjorieTaylorGreene #January6thCommission
4:42 AM · Dec 17, 2021·Twitter Web App

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Grasswire2

(13,849 posts)
44. I believe the FBI knows who the bomber is.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:52 PM
Dec 2021

If the bomber was a NOBODY, we would know the identity by now.

If the bomber is a member of Congress, disclosure becomes more complicated.

It has been almost a year. If the FBI can't ID a bomber in a year, something's amiss.

They know.
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