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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI believe the messaging on mask wearing needs to shift.
I don't go out much, but when I do, I usually have trouble believing what I see with my own eyes.
"Please wear a mask in indoor settings" repeated ad nauseam by influential people does not seem to be cutting it, does it?
Masks are being worn under the nose.
Masks are lazily being worn on chins.
Single layer bandanna masks. Surgical masks with HUGE gaps along the sides and top, thus rendering them useless.
As per usual, officials dance on a fine line of keeping the economy open and trying to keep people from dying. It's been like this for almost two years, and it's not working. Reluctant maskers decide for themselves what constitutes "wearing a mask".
If you have gaps between your skin and your mask, you are not wearing a mask. If you have thick facial hair that pulls your mask away from your skin, you are not wearing a mask. If you are lazy and nonchalant about where your mask is located on your face, you are not wearing a mask.
You have probably noticed that both paid and volunteer firemen usually only sport mustaches rather than full beards, if they have any facial hair at all. This is because beards render their respirators useless, and they would likely face immediate death if entering a smoke filled building with a respirator sitting on facial hair.
1) Proper N95's need to be made available to everyone, for free.
2) "Please wear a mask while indoors" needs to change to "you MUST where a properly fitted N95 mask while indoors among others. Anything other than this, and you will be considered to be maskless, and you are doing nothing to provide an effective physical barrier to help protect yourself and others".
3) Media needs to be flooded with educational material on how to properly fit an N95 mask.
4) The above messaging needs to be consistent, truthful, and firm.
5) Specific, strong and borderline harsh messaging lends credence and legitimacy to the urgency that is necessary.
I know I'll catch some flames with this post, but Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Peace to you all anyway. 
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leftstreet
(40,681 posts)And proper N and K95 masks should be available FREE everywhere you turn
Two years into this and we even have to have this conversation
DURec
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)
Dropping the mandate in my city was a big mistake. Hospital full of Covid and flu patients.
wnylib
(26,016 posts)omicron confirmed in Buffalo's Erie County. All the hospitals are already full with Delta patients.
I am not in Buffalo, but nearby. Travel between my area and Buffalo happens often, daily. The vast majority of people here wear their masks - if they have one - just as described in the OP. Flimsy cloth ones. Gaping surgical masks. On the chin, below the nose.
Disaster is on the brink, poised to start. My N95 supply was getting low. Yesterday I ordered more. Should be here on Tuesday. I have been stocking up on supplies so I can stay inside.
Rebl2
(17,743 posts)and the number of sick with Covid have been going up since the first part of December. A little worse every week. Now hospitals full.
appalachiablue
(44,024 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I don’t even pay any attention to the CDC any more.
Imo, they dropped the ball, and they’ve been fumbling ever since.
Skittles
(171,716 posts)yet there were many DUers who applauded that decision 
Pacifist Patriot
(25,212 posts)
Ms. Toad
(38,640 posts)When we did - and people wore masks in a lax manner - disease transmission dropped dramatically. That's really all that is needed - and pushing the status from voluntary mask wearing to mandatory is pushing the boundaries of what will be tolerated.
Jumping from no mandates at all to requiring N95 just isn't going to happen.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)a different animal, and its transmissibility is a game changer.
Only time will show if this assumption is correct.
About 20% of the people I am close or semi-close to have tested positive. Other than my brother's death from Covid before vaccines were available, and a few sporadic positive cases of people I know, I have not observed *personally* anything like this before Omicron arrived here.
Granted, my non-scientific observations are purely anecdotal, and my hope is that I am being hyperbolic.
However, I do think that stronger and more specific messaging concerning masks will reduce or eliminate the need for actual mandates. Striking a little nagging fear in hearts and minds may at least lead to more mask wearing, as well as better mask wearing.
Ms. Toad
(38,640 posts)My response was directed to our refusal to allow our county and state health departments to set reasonable guidelines for the prevention of transmission.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)I hope you have a peaceful holiday and a good 2022.
appalachiablue
(44,024 posts)(List from From Ms. Toad). Do the research, esp. with counterfeit masks being sold, even at Amazon and elsewhere).
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- CDC. This site provides a listing of NIOSH-approved particulate filtering facepiece respirators.
This type of air-purifying respirators protects by filtering particles out of the air the user is breathing. There are 7 classes of filters for NIOSH-approved filtering facepiece respirators available at this time. 95% percent is the minimal level of filtration that will be approved by NIOSH. The N, R, and P designations refer to the filter’s oil resistance as described below.
Select a type of respirator to see all approved models:
N95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil.
(N95 Manufacturers Index: 3M A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z)
Surgical N95 – A NIOSH-approved N95 respirator that has also been cleared by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a surgical mask.
N99 – Filters at least 99% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil.
N100 – Filters at least 99.97% of airborne particles. Not resistant to oil.
R95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Somewhat resistant to oil.
P95 – Filters at least 95% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil.
P99 – Filters at least 99% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil.
P100 – Filters at least 99.97% of airborne particles. Strongly resistant to oil.
* The NIOSH-approved products are listed by brand. Links to the manufacturers’ websites are provided as a courtesy to users and NIOSH is not responsible for the content of those pages. Also included is the manufacturer’s phone number, product model number, approval number (84A-XXXX), an indication if the product has an exhalation valve, and the user donning instructions. The manufacturer’s donning procedure and/or user instructions are also provided here as a courtesy to the user.
Manufacturers’ recommended procedures for performing a user seal check can be included in the donning procedures and/or user instructions as alternatives to the OSHA-specified procedures under the respiratory protection standard (See 29 CFR 1910.134 Appendix B-1external icon). NIOSH does not evaluate the efficacy and reliability of any user seal check procedures, but OSHA will accept the manufacturer’s recommended procedures if the employer demonstrates those procedures are equally effective as those identified in the standard.
*Each manufacturer is responsible for updating the links on their website and/or providing NIOSH with an updated or revised copy when changes are made.
*The tables were created to provide easy access to a comprehensive listing of NIOSH-approved particulate filtering facepiece respirators and also to provide easy access to the donning process/user instructions. The tables are not updated as frequently as the certified equipment list, which is the official NIOSH certification record....
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- And Recent OP- *New CDC Standards For Masks (since last spring); info., comments on style, fit, quality.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216171623
Ms. Toad
(38,640 posts)I'm retiring as of April - looking forward to being the boss of my own time. Pissed as all get out about the boss who was mad because people kicked him to the curb, so he decided to punch down at me, and take me with him. Trying to focus on the former, rather than the latter - because retirement really is a good thing!
And - a new boss has been hired. She was shocked and pissed, as well by his punch down. It may be too late to unwind, but I've offered to stay until the end of the semester to minimize the chaos and the punishment the decision imposes on my students. But no longer. My latest retirement date is June 1 - and it truly is a good thing. It will be perfect if the new boss can help wipe the taste of sour milk out of my mouth.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)"Fuck you"
"Go fuck yourself"
"Fucking dumbass"
"Nice mask, asshole"
If I happen to walk by someone with no mask.
If you don't say it too loud, the mask creates doubt that you actually said those words. "I'm sorry, you must have heard me wrong because of the mask. I was just talking to myself, wondering what to have for dinner".
Iggo
(49,928 posts)In the rare instances when I go out anywhere there’s people, I do the same thing.
“Dumb motherfucker.”
“Fucking idiot.”
Or something in Spanish, which really fucks them up since they look right past my white ass.
😂😂😂😂😂
I can speak about 5 words in Spanish, but sometimes I pretend to be speaking Spanish, French, or German just to confuse the shit out of people. 
Mister Ed
(6,927 posts)Mrs. Ed is as kind and gentle a soul as you will find on this earth, but she says that the best part of wearing a mask is that people can't hear her or read her lips when she mutters those same choice phrases at them.
Iggo
(49,928 posts)
So am I.
OMGWTF
(5,131 posts)Annoy a Republican; help someone.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I couldn’t give a rat’s ass what any anti-masker thinks.
CrispyQ
(40,970 posts)My county has re-instated the mandate, but the stores don't enforce it like they did last year. Most people are pretty good about it, but there are always a few assholes. Social distancing, however, is totally gone.
For those with surgical masks, with a fold & a few knots, you can make them much more effective. Here's a one-minute video on how to make surgical masks fit properly.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)I tried to do this when I used to wear surgical masks, but I was apparently too stupid to be able to tie the knot close enough to the edge of the mask.
However, I believe if done correctly, this is a big help in making the mask more effective.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)I know people’s mileage may vary, but that made things way worse for me. With masks it really isn’t a one size fits all thing. People’s face shapes make different things work better.
I have a nice bug fluffy beard too. Because of that I bought masks that take that into account. They contain my beard go down and secure against my neck skin without choking me. But really if we had people wearing anything at all we would see a big change. As it is I see people that shame people for wearing this mask instead of that mask, wearing it a way that others don’t approve of. One thing that I know about America in general is that we are a large population of contrarians. Tell is to do one thing and we are going to tell you no.
Sad but true.
Anyways not sure why your post spurred this rant from me. If that twist thing works for you awesome! Hope you all stay safe this holiday season.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)It's a matter of what works, and what doesn't work.
Or rather, what "thing" works better than "that thing".
Personally, I don't want to see anyone get sick, that's the bottom line.
It's not a matter of me or anyone else "approving" of someone's mask, but rather, it is a matter of trying to maximize everyone's safety.
h2ebits
(1,002 posts)I have surgical disposable masks and have been using them. Today and moving forward, I will use this technique to improve coverage.
appalachiablue
(44,024 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)and that is why the carnage will continue.
SCantiGOP
(14,719 posts)Ask them to put together two facts:
1- their fact that masks don’t work;
2- the fact that we had a 2020 flu season that was 1% of normal.
I’ll wear a mask just to ward off the flu.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)but I am reading crap like "funny how there are hardly any cases of the flu now. This shows that everything you read about these so called "diseases" is total bullshit".
Maddening, upside-down thinking.
SCantiGOP
(14,719 posts)aren't anything to worry about; all they can do is "so called kill" you.
people who don't believe in science shouldn't be allowed to use gravity 
Aristus
(72,187 posts)I’m incapable of thinking down to that level, and so I can only hope that they keep their noses as far away from me as possible.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)You are already doing something (very mildly) uncomfortable. Why not get the benefit out of it?
NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)"I’m incapable of thinking down to that level".
Same here...I just can't grasp it.
I appreciate the fact that we live in a big country, and intellectual levels vary widely, but there's just so many of them...
davsand
(13,446 posts)Since then, I've decided that my opinion of them is they are F***ing assholes that need to be run out of public spaces without exception.
Lately, I've been forced to spend WAY too much time in medical offices and clinics. Something I have observed in EVERY waiting room, EVERY trip, is there's always at least one asshole sitting there or running around with a mask under their nose or chin. Can't speak to what it's like in other places, but around here it's usually middle aged or slightly older white people. I've watched a security guard ask a person to wear a mask properly, an argument ensued, mask was finally adjusted to the proper position, guard left, and that F***ing mask was immediately returned to its prior position. I've watched people sitting in a waiting room of an oncology/hematology office take off the mask and sit there--then put it on to go into an exam room. I watched one woman in the infusion therapy waiting room take off her mask to scream into her cell phone. I saw some guy in a construction company jacket scream at the receptionist in the lab (after he took the mask out from under his chin just to hold it in his hand!) then stomp off to another part of the waiting room only to return a few minutes later sans mask to scream some more.
I've talked to the staff in the clinics, and have asked about the policies on mask wearing. Without exception the response is something along the lines of, "Yeah. Masks are required. Yeah, we don't like it either that those people won't comply. We're not allowed to do anything more than remind them to wear a mask."
This is all happening in a medical setting. Can't begin to imagine what it's like to be anyplace else in public and dealing with these assholes.
Laura
Aristus
(72,187 posts)But I'm a medical provider; I can.
If a patient is wearing his or her mask under the nose, I tell them to pull it up over their nose. If they refuse, I walk out of the exam room, go to the front desk, tell my scheduler that the appointment is cancelled, and move on to the next exam room.
My medical team hasn't nicknamed me "Fuck Around And Find Out", but I'm hoping they will soon...
Doodley
(11,913 posts)spend at least a few hundred million educating the people on covid, addressing misinformation, and making the messages simple enough for a five-year-old to understand.
CrispyQ
(40,970 posts)It's like we don't believe in marketing. I just don't get it. The right has more successfully defined our side than we have. Tax & spend democrats. Socialists. Communists. Baby killers. And we're like crickets. WTF?
CaptainTruth
(8,202 posts)We are in an age when governing doesn't win elections, messaging wins elections. Ideally we should have both. We're good at governing but we're terrible at messaging/marketing & it's really hurting us because, as you say, we're allowing right-wing propaganda to define us.
Like during the 1st 2 years of Obama's first term, we passed great legislation to help people but failed at telling them how it helps them, we failed at messaging/marketing it. And then look at what happened to Dems in 2010, Obama called it a "shellacing." Or, during the 2016 campaign, the way Trump repeatedly told lies about Clinton but we failed to offer effective counter-messaging. Look at how that turned out. Now we're repeating those same mistakes again & it's making me feel really bad about 2022. I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I've seen this movie before.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)I just got back from an upscale supermarket. Less than 25% of the people I say had any mask at all on their face. That's where we should start.
Wear a damned mask, folks.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)then at the very least, it would increase the number of people wearing ANY kind of mask, as well as increasing social distancing.
I know we don't live in an ideal world, but I think that anything that would raise awareness of the seriousness of the problem would help with masking, proper masking, social distancing, and making people understand that they need to try to avoid large groups of people while indoors.
I think that providing and stressing the use of N95's would not get us to where we need to be, but it would get us closer.
CTyankee
(68,202 posts)Often, you just can't not be close to people. In the supermarket, in a line for prescriptions, at the package store buying wine or spirits.
I wanted to go to Spain next spring but I'm postponing it til next fall and hoping things will get better. Right now, much as I want to go, I can't imagine finding myself with a positive test at the airport and not being able to catch my flight.
sl8
(17,110 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:21 PM - Edit history (3)
Cretin, wearing what appears to be piece of cheesecloth, over his chin, 'What!? I'm wearing your stupid mask, like you said I had to!"
FFS, are you 4 years old?
p.s. No offense intended to the residents of Crete.
lame54
(39,771 posts)sl8
(17,110 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)on the messaging has also been excellent. A true public service very well performed by experts of all types all through this emergency.
Stepping up mandatory regulation and enforcement is something different. But not necessarily easy or without potentially disastrous consequences.
Btw, the same conservative and broad-spectrum wingnut refusal to help control this deadly virus -- creating this mainly RW disease holocaust (over 5.5M official deaths so far), is happening in nations around the planet, not just here. Australia, Prague, Worldwide Rally for Freedom in London, Japan below, MANY others.
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)I do not agree that the messaging has been excellent. Messaging from POTUS, Dr. Fauci, and select others has indeed been excellent, but other than that, not so much. especially when it comes to firmness and consistency.
I do agree that the problem is worldwide, however, for a country that is touted to be the guiding light for the rest of the world, there are over 200 countries that are performing better in the "cases per million" measurement. The US is the 19th worse out of 224 countries. I understand that scale may distort the interpretation of this statistic, since we are a populous country, but it does indicate that we are performing badly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Also, Republican officials across the nation in all governments and at all levels, instead of acting independently and as checks on each other, are mostly united, ACTING TOGETHER AGAINST DEMOCRATS. The RW extremist SCOTUS majority and parts of the appellate judiciary are now in large part agents and partners of Republicans in the senate, state governments, conservative big donors, etc. The potential danger of this unprecedented threat to our democracy cannot be overstated.
Most are using every opportunity to bring down Democrats, increase their power, and take over the national government permanently. This Republican-spread pandemic is such a means, the death cost alone well over the current official count of 818,000 but presumably more than worth it.
Every sensible person knows national regulations would have brought this pandemic under control, and saved hundreds of thousands of lives, long ago, but only if they could have been very widely implemented.
They could not and would not have been. Instead, attempts would have been used to incite further rebellion, both by red governments and those cheering their actions. That's why this administration hasn't tried.
Fwiw, I see that happening only if a disease shows up so lethal that Republican voters are terrified into demanding it be stopped. That could well happen; epidemiologists are terrified that it will and be spread out of control before people can become afraid. And long before a vaccine can developed.
Welcome to crazy times. Enjoy.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Who knows? Maybe the crazy wave is peaking and we will.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)but I am suggesting that more specific and truthful messaging will shake out a few cobwebs from those not really paying attention.
I believe that if this thing was knocked on the head at the very beginning, we would be at a 90% normal situation at this point.
But that didn't happen, so...
(I often think of Tr*mp's "It's only 15 people" comment).
Green Line
(1,134 posts)With the top and chin wire you can pull the mask very close to your face with no gaps. I get them on Ebay, Crosstex double wire masks. I always wear 2 of them.
Biophilic
(6,552 posts)I've felt pretty comfortable since most people have been wearing masks - probably 75 to 80%. Even 3 days ago. This morning something changed radically. Most people in the grocery store were unmasked and kind of rude or non-attentive to what was going on around them. I asked my long time resident friends what was going on. Their explanation was 'Snow Birds' down for the holiday. Wow, I had bought the story that it was Southerners who were anti-mask. Nope, not here at any rate. Now I'm going to have to back off shopping and even eating out so freely. Dang! Jerks!
lame54
(39,771 posts)Doesn't make you feel like the man in the iron masks
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)and that thought makes mask wearing seem like nothing.
lame54
(39,771 posts)LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)Wife works from home and we are lucky in that regard.
Listen, I appreciate your point about the masks. I spend my life going to doctors appointments for a variety of conditions, and it frustrates the hell out of me that I feel I have to go through a checklist of things and dress up like a freaking astronaut before I leave the house. Without going into detail, even though I am triple vaxxed, there's a pretty good chance I'm hosed if I catch Covid.
The only thing that gets me through is remembering that "I guess it could be worse".
LoisB
(13,028 posts)Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays and Peace to you too.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts) Orrex
(67,111 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 24, 2021, 02:23 PM - Edit history (2)
Absolutely the only goal is to keep the economy open. All else is a distant secondary consideration, at best.
Notwithstanding the herculean efforts of healthcare workers and medical researchers, we have as a society abandoned all pretense of fighting the virus and have opted instead to ride it out, come what may.
My job requires me to travel extensively in western PA and east/central Ohio, and throughout the pandemic I have seen nothing there to contradict my statement above.
A neighboring community offered long-awaited free test kits, four-to-a-car, to be handed out Wednesday of this week. Gates opened at 08:00AM and they were out of test kits by 08:45. This kind of bullshit half-measure typifies our general response to the pandemic: masks are required, but only if you want to wear them; social distancing is required, but no biggie if you don't comply; large gatherings are discouraged, but go ahead and gather in large groups if you feel like it; get tested, but good luck finding a fucking test, and enjoy your ~5 days off (possibly unpaid) while you wait for the results.
We are offering, at best, a fragmented and inconsistent response that varies from city to city and business to business, as if the virus will pass over those communities that stand up for their right to be selfish, irresponsible fucks.
Forgive my negativity, but it is reaffirmed many times daily.
beaglelover
(4,466 posts)I NEVER see someone in a store without a mask on. They are simply told to leave if they don't have a mask on. Even at the gym now, most everyone keeps their mask on while working out. We're also fortunate that since late November, you have to show proof of vaccine to get into gyms, eat inside restaurants, get your hair done, etc. I'm glad right now with Omicron that I live in L.A. and not somewhere where mask compliance and enforcement is nil.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)beaglelover
(4,466 posts)Might have something to do with the fact that we’re the 2nd largest population center in the USA.
BlueSky3
(733 posts)and it was packed with shoppers. But I saw maybe 8 or 9 masks. Two unmasked people on one aisle were talking about how they were “over COVID.” The man had just returned from Europe and said, “the people over there are so sick of these stupid masks. And they’re in the streets demonstrating over the new regulations.” The woman said she’d lost her ex-husband to COVID, but she was “so over it.”. SMH…
Moostache
(11,179 posts)The thing should be running on video boards EVERYWHERE on a constant loop...
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/05/04/cough-coronavirus-masks-kaye-pkg-vpx.cnn
Fritz Walter
(4,370 posts)As I was trying to find my cardiologist’s office at a hospital, in a narrow hallway I saw a poster (made a wrong turn, but it worked out).
It had nicknames and drawings for all the improper mask wearers: the ones with theirs below the nose were labeled “sniffers.” And I forgot what the others were called.
Should have snapped a photo with my phone but was running late. Have searched for a similar poster online, but no luck.
The hospital won’t let me back in unless I have an appointment — rightly so — and I couldn’t recall which hallway (probably meant for staff only).
Has anybody else seen this poster?
TheFarseer
(9,770 posts)and some even got boosted so we don’t have to wear masks etc anymore.
cadoman
(1,617 posts)Being in red territory my perspective is likely distorted, but isn't the messaging of this quality in blue states? My friends in California, NYC, and DC all take COVID very seriously and are 100% following proper masking and distancing guidelines as instructed by experts.
I think it's clear that improper masking and vaccine hesitancy are the reasons red states are struggling so much with COVID deaths.
Whether it's messaging improvement or gqp dying off, we will get to 100% proper masking eventually.
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tishaLA
(14,777 posts)by which I mean that many places had mask mandates then relaxed them then brought them back and it's a terrible cycle. In Los Angeles, we have been living under mask mandates for nearly 2 years now, save a very short period when it looked like we'd successfully contained it, and I almost never see people without a mask even outside. It's just become as regular as wearing shoes at this point--although, yes, a few still wear them under their noses and all the other stuff, but the compliance rate is pretty remarkable.
pandr32
(14,272 posts)I see this all the time--people removing their masks to talk to others. One guy in a line at Costco's mask was completely stained on the outside from his own fingers constantly pulling it off his face to speak--so gross. Worse stained mask I've seen yet.
I guess we need people to learn that virus aerosol is spread outwards when we speak.
BlueGreenLady
(2,887 posts)and the store was PACKED. There should be a limit to the number of people in one store at at time. I know it would be impossible to enforce but fire codes should prohibit elbow to elbow people in one store. Hope my Ne95 mask and 3 shots of Pfizer keep me safe. Last minute guests forced me back to the store- what was I thinking??
marked50
(1,584 posts)Duppers
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Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)but you will still have an enforcement problem. While mask compliance is pretty good where I live, since day one the Sheriff and Police Chiefs here have said they will not enforce mask mandates. Some retail stores will enforce somewhat, but everyone I know who works in retail says they have been told they can ask, recommend, offer free masks, but to never refuse service to any customer regardless of mask compliance. There are a few businesses with signs aaying no masks are required. I, of course, avoid these.
Even before the vaccines became available, the Director of Public Heath instructed business owners that if an employee claimed a medical reason for not wearing a mask, they were not to ask for any proof.
The good mask compliance we have here is due to the people, not any politicians, law enforcement or health officials. The mayor of our small town last year wrote an op-ed in the local newspaper that was right out of the Qanon play book. He pretty much said the pandemic was a hoax.
Septua
(2,957 posts)..and only people living under a rock haven't heard the messaging. The problem is too many "stop Biden" politicians are disputing the message, just to stop Biden.
Biden has done about all the mandating he can do, without adding more accelerant to the already smoldering, potential civil war. The messaging does need to change but in a way that convinces the anti-mask, anti-vaxx bunch they can blame their favorite governor or mayor or senator or congressman for the continued progress of the pandemic.