Would you buy a gun for your son if you knew he was torturing animals?

[malaise]

The parents of a teenager charged with killing four fellow students at a Michigan school knew that he was depressed, fascinated with guns and had tortured animals, even keeping a bird's head in a jar, prosecutors said Thursday.

The court filing was in opposition to an effort by James and Jennifer Crumbley to get out of jail on a lower bond. They're charged with involuntary manslaughter in the Oxford High School shooting under a theory that they had chances to prevent the bloodshed and made a gun available to their son.

https://apnews.com/e04c0c09563772b377df7219409d3033

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Being hurt doesn't mean you can hurt other people, but the more I learn about this kid's parents,

the more I feel sorry for him.

[mopinko]

2. he rly is still a kid.

[femmedem]

12. +1.

But we'll never know if he could have ever recovered from the damage his parents caused, because it will be a miracle if he finds anything other than further cruelty and trauma in prison.

[msongs]

20. and he is a killer apparently. being a kid is no excuse nt

[MustLoveBeagles]

16. I feel very sorry for him

With those parents he never had a chance. This doesn't mean I condone what he did and I think he should still be punished.

[malaise]

21. Agree

Horrible parents

[Demovictory9]

3. No

[Faux pas]

4. They

created him and nurtured the madness. They deserve nothing good.

[greatauntoftriplets]

5. No.

If I had a son, I wouldn't buy him a gun at all.

[ProfessorGAC]

15. Beat Me To It!

I was going to tell Malaise she could have stopped the question after "gun".

[malaise]

22. Lol

Happy Holidays

[greatauntoftriplets]

24. I never bought toys guns for any of the boys in the family.

My father never owned guns, even though he qualified as a sharpshooter when in the Army.

[Diamond_Dog]

25. Me neither

I raised 3 boys, never bought them a toy gun ever

[Peregrine Took]

6. Only if you were both insane. n/t

[Jilly_in_VA]

7. I wouldn't

buy a gun for my son under any circumstances. If he is living under my roof and wants to go humting with us, he'll use one of ours. Otherwise guns are off limits. Period.

[Raine]

8. If I found my son was hurting animals I would get therapy

for him IMMEDIATELY!

[whathehell]

9. , +1,000 n/t

[MustLoveBeagles]

14. This

[Ferryboat]

17. According to FBI profiling of serial killers

Torturing animals is one of the key indicators of a future serial killer.

[womanofthehills]

32. And - an early sign of psychopathy

No empathy.

[misanthrope]

35. What about killing for entertainment without the explicit torture?

Does that qualify? Because if it does, we have way, way more in this nation who might meet the standard.

[femmedem]

10. Good god, no. But then again I wouldn't buy my son a gun if he volunteered

at an animal shelter, was a vegan for ethical reasons and sprouted angel wings between his shoulder blades.

[Strelnikov_]

11. ..

[MustLoveBeagles]

13. If I had a son I wouldn't by him a gun period

[MissMillie]

18. I bought my son a gun once

It was a Nerf gun.

That's as far as I'm willing to go.

[Solly Mack]

19. That family's story gets sicker and sicker.

The kid never had a chance. If only he had well parents...if only someone had intervened...if only...if only...if only...people wouldn't be dead now.

Tragic and sad.

They all three need to be held accountable. Because having bad parents doesn't excuse his actions. Because they created and encouraged his sickness with their own sickness and there is no "if only" that will change anything.

An abusive household that fed on itself until it exploded, killing others in the process.

Makes me wonder how many more such households are out there.

[malaise]

27. Indeed

He never had a chance
Happy Holidays- here’s hoping the hurricanes stay away from you for 2022

[Solly Mack]

29. And to you, malaise! I figure we'll get hit again and best to prepare now as much as possible.

Well, it's that or move.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

31. A lot of homes are abusive.

There are a lot of dark triad personalities out there.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

23. They probably

They probably bought him the gun hoping he’d kill himself and save them the trouble.

[ForgedCrank]

26. I'm not going to

draw a conclusion based on the words of the prosecutors, or anything reported by the media. All of this information is derived from the people charged with prosecuting them, and it is formed in the context they wish the public to view it.
Most of us should have learned a valuable lesson from several recent very high profile cases. You cannot trust what you hear from these people (media especially) until they are in court and bound to follow the rules and tell the truth.
And no, I'm not taking a side here with anyone. I just know better than to trust the people who have lied to me repeatedly in the past.

[Aristus]

28. If you're a brainless, gun-crazed redneck, sure.

It’s not like they need any excuse.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

30. Nope no guns for torturer of animals

I would beat the tar out of him if I caught him torturing an animals he would wish he was dead when I got through with him. And then I'd hand him a razorblade and say get to it asshole. Hurry up and die you waste of skin,psychopath.

[womanofthehills]

33. Because toddlers can exhibit psychopathic behavior - some scientists

believe psychopathy can be inherited, can be from how the child is raised or can be a brain disorder or combos of lots of things. Some parents have all normal kids and one psychopath. A good book on the subject is The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout. My neighborhood actually had “a sociopath next door”who did really creepy things like leaving objects in people’s yards to freak them out -knowing someone was at their place when they weren’t home.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

34. I read the sociopath next door. Its an awesome book

I think inheritance is a way it can happen
because not all sociopaths are abused but they still are the sociopath they always were.

When kids get abused they can identify with the asswipe abusing them, or they can never be like the abuser is.

I think most people do not identify themselves with thier abuser.

Because as much abuse going on in homes in this country we would be over run and the majority of people would be sociopaths identifying with abusive sociopaths.