Classic Capitalism will see us stomped by China.

[BlueBlud]

Just as one example, Industrial Internet of things, IIot is a concept, rammed by Xi Jiping himself. And they integrate all levels of science and industry as a whole.

We cannot even tell folks, more forcefully than begging to get a vaccine. Let alone ORDER industries to work together. Hell, we cant even get two sectors of gov law enforcement to work together on a case.

This, dear readers, is the REAL goal to "America brawl". The more disorder and disfunction, hording of intellectual property, patent law stifling, on and on, exacerbated by man against man will see America not only lost.

Here is a list of ways China intends to stomp us with their improved cooperation and state investment in dominating in industries.
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Industrial internet of things
China is also at the forefront of the industrial internet of things (IIoT), which involves the integration and linking of AI, big data, wireless networks and more with physical and industrial equipment via smart sensors and other new technologies, leading to vastly improved performance, efficiency and reliability. Championed by President Xi Jingping himself, the IIoT has already “entered the fast lane” in the country says a senior government official.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/what-china-is-spending-big-money-on-that-s-worrying-the-west/ss-AAS7LMN?ocid=msedgntp#image=1

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Add to this of course, that they have hacked all our institutions for quite some time, AND, installed time bombs or remote trigger bombs, in our infrastructures.

Our best chance at fighting back, is to adopt that christmas spirit of, God bless us every one. Revolting right wing taking over the Republican party is THE disaster.

[doc03]

1. Nixon thought it was a good idea to trade with a communist country on the other

side of the earth. Our American neighbors could be making those products and we wouldn't have
supply chain problems and people risking their lives to come to the USA.

[BlueBlud]

2. I have pushed for years, for a AMERICA trade bloc. With us investing in S and C America.

[doc03]

8. We had NAFTA but Republicans blamed it

for jobs going to China. Maybe I don't understand this but North American Free Trade Agreement had nothing to do with China. Last I checked China is not in North America.

[former9thward]

9. No, it was not just Republicans.

It was labor unions and others concerned about working people. Factories went to Mexico, chiefly the Maquiladora region, which is the area from the border to about 100 miles into Mexico. People in Mexico work for about 1/6 the rate of American workers. It was a job destroying agreement.

[doc03]

10. That's true about unions but I never saw even

1/100 as much Mexican stuff in Wal-Mart compared to China. But people in China work for even less. I worked in a steel mill for over $20 an hour while Chinese steel workers made 75 cents.
Yep I think Clinton signing NAFTA is one of the reasons we lost labor unions and the labor vote. Trump was elected on that. I don't know maybe I broke the rules
but it is true. NAFTA was a GHWB program and it passed Congress by Republican votes but Clinton did sign it and the Republicans hung that around our necks for decades.

[former9thward]

11. Hello from a fellow steelworker myself.

I worked for Republic/LTV at their mill in Chicago before it was shutdown. I also was an union official there. The Mexicans and Chinese generally make two different product lines. In China they make light consumer goods which you see in Walmart. They are inexpensive (until recently) to ship the long distance. Mexican border factories tend to make heavy industrial products which the American consumer does not directly see. Because its near the border the products are inexpensive to transport to the U.S.

[doc03]

12. My last car a Ford Fusion was assembled there. The Honda CRV was assembled

in Canada. I worked 1 week short of 40 years at what was called Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel some of it still exists
under different owners.

[radius777]

14. Bill Clinton believed NAFTA could serve as counterbalance to China

and Japan... that having open trade within a hemisphere is far more beneficial for the US than having to rely on China... because American consumers had already decided that we like cheap goods so trade was inevitable. It was believed that Mexico would benefit and thus reduce illegal immigration if they had jobs there. Canada also benefits. I still believe NAFTA could have accomplished its goals if implemented properly.

[Buckeyeblue]

21. That's too complex an argument for most Americans

The reason we ended up with Trump is that a large majority doesn't understand the concept of policy. Doesn't understand that policy takes a long view.

Jobs were already pouring out of the country pre-nafta. And they would have continued without it. Nafta was a way for use to try to influence Mexco to offer good wages, and safer jobs. Also we wanted to make sure the factories didn't turn into environmental disasters.

[BlueBlud]

18. If nafta had included environmental and worker protections, it would have been beneficial, not a job

killer.

[harumph]

3. I have also for years (since I saw the offshoring of manufacturing in the 1980s)

said that we needed a national manufacturing policy. You can squarely blame free-market purists (Chicago School et al.) for
this funk we find ourselves in. Mostly - but not exclusively, these assholes were from the right/libertarian side
of the spectrum. All the rationales they provided were self serving; e.g., "We'll be the designers and
they'll just be the manufacturers..." Yeah right. When you outsource the means of production, you
eventually eviscerate the intellectual pipeline feeding production. We are past fucked and running on fumes. I'm encouraging my
son to explore nuclear engineering. Maybe he can get the fuck out of here with sufficient credentials. If you're not already in the
financial class in this country - our leaders don't really give a shit about you. It's all pretend.

[area51]

22. +1 n/t

[David__77]

4. Left and right, people in this country see ones gain as another's loss.

Why is economic advancement “stomping?” I certainly hope for economic advancement internationally, and I take it as given that the US will not always have the largest economy - that would make no sense to me given than its population is far from the largest.

[Klaralven]

5. Our GDP per capita (PPP) is $68,309. China's is $18,931 or 28% of ours

Our population is 330 million. China's is 1400 million.

If GDP per capita were equal, China's total GDP should be 4.25 times ours.

Our GDP (PPP) is $22,675,271. China's is $26,656,766 million, only 1.18 time ours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

[FakeNoose]

13. It's not the dollars, it's the buying power

... or if you prefer, the cost of living.

It's true that the Chinese people earn lower salaries that Americans do. Their median/mean annual incomes are all significantly lower than ours, but they also have a much lower cost of living in most regions. They buy less "stuff" than we do, and they have a government that provides more for them than our does for us. I'm guessing they pay lower taxes too, but I don't really know.

It would be meaningful to compare disposable income and cost of living for Chinese vs. American people. But it doesn't really mean much to compare average annual salaries. I know there are economists on DU who have this data at their fingertips. (I don't, sorry)

[MichMan]

6. Do you believe their system of government is preferable to ours ?

[BlueBlud]

16. No, but we STILL have to compete.

Whether our system is superior is moot. We MUST adapt somewhat, to compete.

[treestar]

7. They don't have freedom

The people there already have an inkling (Tianamen Squiare)

They will get more material goods, and then they will want freedom.

[BlueBlud]

17. What does that mean? How much freedom will we be able to afford?

For instance, the level of freedom your employer allows, has a lot to do with the profit margin. As we stop being on top, some of our FREEDOM will be curtailed.

[treestar]

24. First Amendment

We can say what we want. I'm not sure even the worst employer is the same as the government running it all. There is a huge difference, even if you want to be totally cynical about our government.

[radius777]

15. Green Energy and fair trade is the key to the future

it would create jobs in America and free the democratic countries across the world from the totalitarian ones - whose power tends to come from fossil fuels. We're intertwined with the Middle East because of oil; Putin has a grip on Europe because of the pipeline.

NAFTA was supposed to a 'fair trade' deal that created open hemispheric trade that could help reduce dependence on China, and would reduce illegal immigration from Mexico. If properly implemented it would've worked IMO.

I just wish Dems would sell these concepts better. Most voters don't care about climate change because they don't care about anything long term or existential. But voters do care about American dominance, national security and jobs - and that is how 'green' and 'fair trade' should be sold. Hillary tried doing this in 2016 ie 'making America the green superpower.' Obama wanted TPP to help neutralize China.

[TheFarseer]

23. Trade agreements have a bad name

NAFTA resulted in lots of auto industry and other jobs going to Mexico. Cafta killed off the garment industry. Most favored nation with China was disastrous for jobs. TPP sounded like a way for corporations to move more jobs out of the country. As for the folks saying “this time it will be different. We put in controls to prevent jobs leaving”. 99% of us said “yeah right. Not falling for that again!”

[Ron Green]

19. Why do we have to compete? Let's let it go.

The British had the 19th Century, we had the 20th. Maybe it’s time to give up “leading the world,” either militarily or economically.

Let’s quit chasing dollars. Let’s take the real lesson from the Pandemic, which is to just stop the consumerism that’s choked us and our land, especially since WW2. We can turn away from Wall Street and toward Earth Community that employs all the methods of living sustainably we’ve learned in recent years.

It’s on us, the North Americans, to do this.

[Xoan]

20. Just one problem ...

If they destroy US, they destroy their best customer.