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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 12:31 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

So do I have this correct? A number of politicians, and would-be pols, are posting

pictures of their "christmas" cards showing them and their families with assault weapons? From what I vaguely remember from catechism, this holiday celebrates the birth of a being, one of whose titles was "prince of peace". Pretty sure that does not mean being armed with things designed to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible ( also vaguely remember something about "thou shalt NOT kill". I could be misremembering.), and claiming to be doing it in that entity's name. Personally, if I were that entity, I would be a trifle miffed.

Am I missing some logical connection here? Was some new version of that story recently discovered? A new rosetta stone? Or are they all just lying, pandering hypocrites who think all the rest of us are stupid?

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Reply So do I have this correct? A number of politicians, and would-be pols, are posting (Original post)
 niyad Dec 2021 OP
LineReply Here's a notable one who resists:
 Stargleamer Dec 2021 #1
LineReply are you just now figuring about that repukes are hypocrites?
 Skittles Dec 2021 #2
LineLineReply No. But this christmas card with weapons thing is just bizarre.
 niyad Dec 2021 #22
LineReply From the NRA bible. Heston .30-06:1 - Jesus Swept. Heston .30-06:2 - the room with his gold AR-15.
 Solly Mack Dec 2021 #3
LineLineReply Ah, that is one problem. I have never read that one.
 niyad Dec 2021 #23
LineLineLineNew Reply Me neither but I'm sure it says that somewhere.
 Solly Mack Dec 2021 #37
LineReply The Bible is like a rorschach chart
 IbogaProject Dec 2021 #4
LineReply During required religion classes in school, we had to memorize and were tested on The 10 Commandments
 Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #5
LineLineReply In the catechism of the Lutheran Church,
 wnylib Dec 2021 #7
LineLineLineReply That sounds good to me!
 Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #9
LineLineLineLineReply I'm tbinking about all those Trumpists
 wnylib Dec 2021 #12
LineLineLineLineLineReply I've thought about that as well, how those who claim to be Christian at all can support someone like him
 Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #13
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply I expect that sort of hypocrisy from
 wnylib Dec 2021 #15
LineLineReply It depends on the translation
 Schmice3 Dec 2021 #8
LineLineLineReply Well, those Republicans who support no regulation on guns are responsible for the rash of school
 Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #14
LineLineReply In modern translations, it is Thou shall not murder.
 NutmegYankee Dec 2021 #20
LineLineReply Then I did remember correctly.
 niyad Dec 2021 #24
LineReply They want to kill any and all they deem an enemy, and bring forth a christofascist
 Celerity Dec 2021 #6
LineReply They don't care about THAT Jesus!
 dchill Dec 2021 #10
LineReply to quote the Charlie Brown Christmas Special,
 eShirl Dec 2021 #11
LineLineNew Reply You're right. I remember "A Charlie Brown Christmas" especially well,
 Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #38
LineReply They are celebrating Alt-Right Jesus, that chisel-jawed white guy who hates brown immigrants. . nt
 Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #16
LineReply Bo Hines... Repub congressional hopeful in S.C. nt
 albacore Dec 2021 #17
LineLineReply That was the pic that got to me last night.
 niyad Dec 2021 #25
LineReply Her with... and endorsed by... MTG and Cawthorn...
 albacore Dec 2021 #18
LineLineReply Crazy endorsing crazy.
 niyad Dec 2021 #26
LineReply What kind of society gives children assault weapons?
 Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #19
LineLineReply A very sick and disturbed one.
 niyad Dec 2021 #28
LineLineLineNew Reply Yep. Same kind of citizens who won't wear masks to protect
 Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #33
LineReply A sign of something they would all strongly deny if they knew the word...
 JHB Dec 2021 #21
LineLineReply I have not heard that word in a very long time. Thank you.
 niyad Dec 2021 #27
LineNew Reply I caught a bit of Joey the Scar this morning...
 GoCubsGo Dec 2021 #29
LineNew Reply Well spotted.
 Hekate Dec 2021 #30
LineLineNew Reply Thank you. This just continues to boggle my mind.
 niyad Dec 2021 #31
LineNew Reply This message was self-deleted by its author
 traitorsgalore Dec 2021 #32
LineLineNew Reply Sickening.
 niyad Dec 2021 #34
LineNew Reply The real war on the message of Christmas
 malaise Dec 2021 #35
LineLineNew Reply Exactly.
 niyad Dec 2021 #36

Response to niyad (Original post)

Mon Dec 27, 2021, 12:54 AM

Stargleamer (1,819 posts)

1. Here's a notable one who resists:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216134722

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 12:54 AM

Star Member Skittles (147,798 posts)

2. are you just now figuring about that repukes are hypocrites?

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:21 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

22. No. But this christmas card with weapons thing is just bizarre.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 01:06 AM

Star Member Solly Mack (88,744 posts)

3. From the NRA bible. Heston .30-06:1 - Jesus Swept. Heston .30-06:2 - the room with his gold AR-15.

They truly delight in death. No matter what they say.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:22 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

23. Ah, that is one problem. I have never read that one.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:51 PM

Star Member Solly Mack (88,744 posts)

37. Me neither but I'm sure it says that somewhere.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 01:25 AM

Star Member IbogaProject (1,509 posts)

4. The Bible is like a rorschach chart

The Bible is like a rorschach chart, the evangelicals and the fascists both prefer the old testament with all it's violence, trickery and getting over and totally skip the huge amount of ethics in either old or new testaments.

I saw a report where most of the Jan 06 mob are from specific precincts where diversity is increasing and these nitwits are freaking out.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:21 AM

Star Member Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

5. During required religion classes in school, we had to memorize and were tested on The 10 Commandments

"Thou shalt not kill" was one of the top ones. It didn't specify exceptions, that's all it said and was very straightforward.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:40 AM

Star Member wnylib (16,574 posts)

7. In the catechism of the Lutheran Church,

Thou shalt not kill is interpreted to include not doing any type of bodily harm to anyone. Spreading disease would come under that prohibition.

Thou shalt not steal is interpreted to include any type of dishonesty, i.e. lying, dissembling, and deceitfulness.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:44 AM

Star Member Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

9. That sounds good to me!

Of course, when we were kids, we just tried to memorize the list so we could pass the test. And I remember that I got them all.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:50 AM

Star Member wnylib (16,574 posts)

12. I'm tbinking about all those Trumpists

in Midwestern states like Minnesota and Missouri that have large populations of people from Scandinavian countries and Germany, who are Lutheran, and wondering how they square their politics with their religion.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:57 AM

Star Member Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

13. I've thought about that as well, how those who claim to be Christian at all can support someone like him

And we keep hearing that these "Christian" groups are his supporters.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 03:04 AM

Star Member wnylib (16,574 posts)

15. I expect that sort of hypocrisy from

fundamentalists whose religious commitments tend to be somewhat shallow due to popular emotional appeal, but don't expect it as much from mainline religions.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:41 AM

Schmice3 (256 posts)

8. It depends on the translation

Thou shalt not commit murder. There's a difference.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:59 AM

Star Member Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

14. Well, those Republicans who support no regulation on guns are responsible for the rash of school

shootings - which are clearly murder.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 09:09 AM

Star Member NutmegYankee (15,676 posts)

20. In modern translations, it is Thou shall not murder.

Which implies that acts of self defense are acceptable.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:23 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

24. Then I did remember correctly.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:22 AM

Star Member Celerity (34,344 posts)

6. They want to kill any and all they deem an enemy, and bring forth a christofascist

techno dictatorship.

I fail to see why so many Americans cannot see the long wave end game these usurpers are desirous of.

Even more deluded are the rubes who think that the Rethug Party will someone be reformed and simply go back to just a 'normal' level of shitbaggery if only those damned 'bad apples' can be booted out.

History doesn't work like that, and the US is so not immune to history, dispute all the ridiculous American Exceptionalism bollocks that so many chose to slurp down.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:46 AM

Star Member dchill (34,735 posts)

10. They don't care about THAT Jesus!

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:47 AM

Star Member eShirl (18,058 posts)

11. to quote the Charlie Brown Christmas Special,

Peace on Earth, good will toward Men.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 09:23 PM

Star Member Rhiannon12866 (172,109 posts)

38. You're right. I remember "A Charlie Brown Christmas" especially well,

Not only have I seen it many times over the years, but we put on the play at school (and brought it to other nearby schools - same school where we were required to memorize The 10 Commandments) and I was Charlie Brown! It was an all girls' school.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 06:31 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (44,182 posts)

16. They are celebrating Alt-Right Jesus, that chisel-jawed white guy who hates brown immigrants. . nt

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 06:46 AM

Star Member albacore (1,999 posts)

17. Bo Hines... Repub congressional hopeful in S.C. nt

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:24 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

25. That was the pic that got to me last night.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 06:48 AM

Star Member albacore (1,999 posts)

18. Her with... and endorsed by... MTG and Cawthorn...

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:25 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

26. Crazy endorsing crazy.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 09:06 AM

Star Member Irish_Dem (33,974 posts)

19. What kind of society gives children assault weapons?

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:27 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

28. A very sick and disturbed one.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 02:22 PM

Star Member Irish_Dem (33,974 posts)

33. Yep. Same kind of citizens who won't wear masks to protect

their own family and fellow citizens. And sees a sociopathic leader as a good guy.

Our society is sick and disturbed.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 09:25 AM

Star Member JHB (36,118 posts)

21. A sign of something they would all strongly deny if they knew the word...

Syncretism. The melding of elements of different belief systems.

Religious conservatives tend to sneer at this as a "pick one from column A, pick one from column B" affair, but, predictably, don't recognize when they do it themselves.

They make their brand of Christianity central to their self-identity, but can't bear to think that other favored beliefs at be in conflict. So they blend it all together so much that there is no conflict unless you view it from the outside.

Christianity at odds with Capitalism? With Patriotism? Nonsense! Here's Jingo Supply Side Jesus! Check out his guns! And that big, sweet house he has! Wouldn't want anyone to treat him like a leper, after all.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:26 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

27. I have not heard that word in a very long time. Thank you.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:34 AM

Star Member GoCubsGo (30,785 posts)

29. I caught a bit of Joey the Scar this morning...

He was on the verge of a conniption over this. Rev. Sharpton was one of his guests. Needless to say, Rev. Al was not pleased, either. Both said their very Christian parents would all be horrified, as everyone should be.

Yes, they are all lying, pandering hypocrites who think everyone else is stupid. That goes without saying.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:59 AM

Star Member Hekate (81,767 posts)

30. Well spotted.

Good discussion, too.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 11:18 AM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

31. Thank you. This just continues to boggle my mind.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:27 PM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

34. Sickening.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:31 PM

Star Member malaise (252,841 posts)

35. The real war on the message of Christmas

They are confusing peace with piece.

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Mon Dec 27, 2021, 07:41 PM

Star Member niyad (96,834 posts)

36. Exactly.

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