The CDC no longer cares about spread of COViD

[RB TexLa]

5 days instead of 10 means more people out spreading the virus. I get my booster shot in the morning but that isn't the point. I do not want this virus in my body and I am not going to allow it. The CDC and government could try to help me with that. I guess I just have to treat everyone as if they are spreading it.

I don't care about getting asymptomatic healthcare workers or airline workers back to their jobs. People can wait for the next flight, people can wait for their non emergency appointment or surgery. As a society we can tell them the world doesn't revolve around your desire to be served at the snap of your fingers.

[TheRealNorth]

1. Thats because it cannot be controlled except by lockdowns....

And we have effective methods of reducing morbidity and mortality now, except that the mud-eaters won't use the vaccine.

[babylonsister]

6. Mud-eaters...

that's about right.

[Violet_Crumble]

42. Even Delta couldn't be controlled by lockdowns...

Where I live in Australia we lived life pretty much normally with no covid cases in the community until Delta snuck in thanks to a criminally negligent driver who ferried international air crews to and from hotels, and a RW state government that refused to put Sydney into lockdown until it was too late. Here in the ACT we went into a strict lockdown in early August but Delta still spread because it's so transmissible and making one small mistake means it spreads. Omicron is even worse. We're back to wearing masks in indoor areas, but doubt that imposing lockdowns will help stop the spread. Vaccinations, masks and targetted lockdowns of extreme risk areas are the only things that can have an impact, imo...

[SheltieLover]

2. Right!

😷

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Sure seems that way.

[dem4decades]

4. You should have always treated everyone as someone spreading it.

I'm starting to think that they know we're all going to get it at some point, it's just they don't want us all to get it at once and destroy the Healthcare system.

[RB TexLa]

5. I pretty much have. But at least the government was trying to help me.

[Demsrule86]

102. They can't...these are asymptomatic people who find out because of a mandated random test.

Most asymptomatic people are never tested. And Covid is contagious at least two days before even the symptomatic show symptoms...wear a mask and social distance. My husband had a breakthrough case and it was mild due to the vaccines. We don't have medical leave so most can't stay out of work...it can be three months before you test negative after Covid, but you are no longer contagious three days after symptoms appear according to research.

[Mr.Bill]

7. With asymptomatic cases being possible,

you really have to treat everyone like they have it and are spreading it. It's been like that since the beginning.

[David__77]

8. The US lacks the political will and social system required to eliminate the virus.

As far as the Democratic Party goes, it would be smart to promote the vaccine and eliminate most restrictions.

[VarryOn]

9. If Dr. Fauci is good with this...

I trust him.

We need the quarantine period to be long enough, but no more. Adding additional time as a buffer to appease the agoraphobes just increases the "cost" of someone taking a test and being found to be positive. The are many that won't get tested and should, but they don't because they don't want to be quarantined for 10 or 14 days.

Some people are willing to risk being found positive if they are confined for five days, but won't take the chance of being out of commission for 10 days or more.

If the science says five days is sufficient, it should be five days. And if it says three, it should be three.

To say the govt no longer cares about covid spread is pure hyperbole.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. Hmmm. Would like to believe that BUT we had them tell us early on

That we didn't need a mask. When what they REALLY meant was we didn't have enough masks. So save them for the front line. This was an example of the government making a decision on a priority basis. We first and foremost had to protect the people who care for us. But It was us who weren't protected so we needed care. Sounds crazy but it is what happened. Add in FG crazy and we had/have catastrophe.

[ProfessorGAC]

81. Unfair

We need to drop that nonsense.
That was said in the earliest days when:
- They genuinely believed the most prevalent mode of transmission was direct contact.
- They were correctly concerned about supply preparedness for healthcare workers.
Their knowledge base is orders of magnitude greater than those days. Those recs were made based upon best available information. As information gets better, so do recommendations.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

86. Respectfully... Not true. Knew for a fact virus airborne by March 18

Likely earlier. CDC issued weak mask recommendation ( if you have covid or caring for a covid patient) on April 3. Not sure when CDC told everyone to wear a mask.

[ProfessorGAC]

113. Cherry Picking

And you know it.
You're willfully ignoring the valid concern about supply.
And, we DID NOT know at that time that airborne transmission was the predominant cause.
In March 2020, supply of sanitizers (hand & surface) went to zero because of the high concern over surface transmission.
Finally, the aerosol studies about duration have been in dispute since they first cane out. Not that they aerosolize (obvious & well known), but particle size distribution & duration at inhalation height are still in dispute. (I'm one of the scientists that found 2 such studies dubious.) It would have been even more confusing April 2020.
The shifting knowledge base was not as settled as you claim it to be.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

114. Again, they knew. It's as clear as the writing on the wall. But

We didn't have enough masks! I know every sequence of events. And I am not making this shit up.

Let's just agree to disagree on the facts.

[Meowmee]

124. 100% correct

What they did was murder imo. They lied about one of the most important means to stop transmission and infection. They knew it was aerosol airborne primary method of transmission, they lied about masks not protecting and many other things. And deciding to prioritize masks for hcw was a huge mistake because if everyone has been wearing some type of mask there would’ve been a lot less spread, less deaths and less burden overall. But a lot more was needed, a true shut down started much earlier on when it was actually known what was going to happen and a true travel ban very early on.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

128. Like it matters but the liar in Chief said they all knew in Jai

I know, doesn't help my argument .

Read too that Fauci, at first, thought that cloth masks didn't work because the virus was too small and would get through cloth. Guess they proved that wrong as more info came out. Otherwise every first responder would have gotten it. This all came from his emails that were released.

[Meowmee]

130. Fauci later said

He knew masks would protect people when he said they wouldn’t. I am not sure if he was referring to cloth masks or an 95KN95 etc. But the fact is they all knew that wasn’t true when they said that and some admitted it later.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

143. Yes. So honestly do not understand why he's treated like such a hero. Great

esteemed epidemiologist yes.

[Meowmee]

144. Well at least he admitted it

But yes agree. We watched him try to explain the new 5 day thing and thought it was utter bs. So many decisions that have been made have been politically based and not scientifically and certainly not to stop spread.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

146. Ya.. don't think he's an evil horrible man!! Actually think he's

likely a decent man and a likely brilliant epidemiologist! ( How would I know?

Just think he followed the path he was used to... Advise with no dissention. With FG - it was a new world.

[Meowmee]

147. Agree

He is not evil etc. But everyone who did not tell the truth even if they did not support the psycho did something very evil anyway imo. I would never have done that in a million years had I been in that position.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

148. Agree 100%. Guess no one will be held accountable

That House committee worked to find the truth and concluded that trump purposely derailed covid response. It got almost no coverage and by end of day story dead. Biggest travesty of all. Can't imagine spending my time on a committee when you reach a conclusion no big PR pushing and no one knows/cares. Waste of time

[Meowmee]

150. Yes it is unbelievable and tragic and unacceptable

Over 800,000 murdered and no one cares. My beloved father among them. Not to mention long haulers like me. Time for civil suits.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

151. Lost my dad too early on. I still hate trump with a passion over not

warning anyone. Including others like Pence and silent covid team. I can't seem to get past that. One thing to be brought to trial and found not guilty another to get to be free to golf every day. I mean cheat at golf everyday.

So you got it too? How do you feel now? When did your dad get it?

[Meowmee]

153. I am so sorry for the loss of your father 😿

I will never get over this, there is no getting over it. If there is ever any accountability it will bring me some measure of peace, but it won’t bring him back.


I had it in the very beginning, infected by my students, had I been told to wear a mask and had the college stopped in person classes sooner I would not have got it. By some miracle my family did not get it. I isolated and wore masks the whole time in our home. I had started wearing masks on direction of my hematologist that week but had it already. I was very ill for weeks, double pneumonia and terrible pain, at field hospital and then a trip to er. I am a lh, have pain still,worse asthma and now heart damage showed up.

My father was negligently infected at an er in January, a week before the elderly at home became eligible for vax, when we had 9% pos rate. He had a lot of pain and thought he had appendicitis but it was a hernia. A week later he started urinating non stop and he was so weak he could not go upstairs, and so sick I had to call an ambulance. It destroyed his health, heart damage, brain damage, bladder damage and more. He became an invalid, they gave him stage 4 pressure sores and he had 10 hospital/ er stays after and multiple surgeries. The last two they literally murdered him, it took a month on the last stay while I tried desperately to stop it. There was gross negligence and abuse. I have pstd from all of it. We were caring for him at home 24/7 with little help for 10 months. I watched him lose his mind and go crazy from all of this, he was a brilliant man. A part of him was still there but he was never the same after it in any way. He needed a wheelchair and could not function on his own at all.

[janterry]

145. politics

which did not (does not) belong in our scientific response.

[fescuerescue]

115. Just because he lied at the beginning of the pandemic doesn't mean he will lie at the end

I'm sure he has been 100% honest on everything since then.

Besides. He had a really good reason to lie. He needed to protect the inventories at Amazon and Walmart so that they didn't run out of masks for his friends, family and co-workers.

I'm 100% sure that he has given up lying forever now.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

129. :).

[tavernier]

83. I don't remember anyone saying we didn't need masks.

I do remember being asked to leave the available regulation hi tech masks for hospital and health care staff but use some type of masking (paper, cloth, homemade, neckerchief) until more were available. Thousands of ladies went to work with their sewing machines providing friends snd family and local organizations with colorful “homespun” made from sheets or bolts of yarn.

[fescuerescue]

116. here's a quote

FAUCI: Right. Now people should not be walk— there's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.




FAUCI: The masks are important for someone who's infected to prevent them from infecting someone else. Now, when you see people and look at the films in China and South Korea, whatever, and everybody's wearing a mask. Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.

HOST: You're sure of this, because people are listening really closely to this.

FAUCI: Right. Now people should not be walk— there's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.

And often there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

HOST: And you can get some schmutz sort of staying inside there.

FAUCI: Of course, but when you think "masks," you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people — when you look at the films of countries, and you see 85% of the people wearing masks, that's fine. That's fine. I'm not against it. If you want to do it, that's fine.

HOST: But it can lead to a shortage.

FAUCI: Exactly, that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

97. He is, and concurs that it's driven mainly by the manufactured "need" to keep businesses open.

[luv2fly]

10. 20 days, hell yeah!

(insert eye roll about here)

[AZLD4Candidate]

45. Why not put a cop in every house so mask mandates and quarantines become house arrest?

Anyone trying to leave their home for any reason is guilty of violating doctor's orders and given life in solitary immediately?

This is starting to get ridiculous. I don't mind masks or quarantines from doctor recommendation, but how will one enforce it?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. The good will stay home as recommended. The shitheads

Will go out .

They don't think they will get it. If you don't think you'll get it or think it'll be a breeze then you won't worry about giving it to someone else.

[Demsrule86]

103. It is not that simple...you don't work, you don't get paid in most cases and there is no

unemployment in many states for Covid. There are 20 cases at my husband's job right now...I would be that some only admitted it because they had no choice as hourly get no downtime for Covid. My husband would have if the paperwork making him salaried and permanent had gone through before he became ill. He still tested positive, two weeks after the first test, but Ohio allows you to go back to work two weeks after the first test. We had already lost a great deal of money and I checked multiple sources who said you could test positive for months after covid and were only contagious 48 hours before and three days after symptoms appeared.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

109. Excellent point. Imagine there are some companies that

pay you and some who do not?. They were so much more cautious at the beginning. Remember people wanting to get out of the hospital but were still waiting to get the prerequisite negative tests out of the way to allow it.

Been trying to understand the psychology of it all. They won't listen to even a good argument like you could lose lots of pay. In my world these people brush off EVERY sound argument immediately with " I'm not going to get it" boom conversation over

[Demsrule86]

117. True that...I also think many work sick to avoid the financial impact thus spreading the virus.

[Wounded Bear]

11. Actually, no...

If you're vaxxed and get a breakthrough case, they have found that you will spread the virus for fewer days. I don't believe this status applies to the unvaxxed, just the vaxxed.

As for "others," wear your best mask around them if you must congregate with them. We need to still mask up in public anyway. BTW, it's flu season and masks help with that, too.

[Tribetime]

14. Ty 👍

[malaise]

64. Correct

[Calculating]

12. It's impossible to stop omicron, almost everyone alive is getting it

Just get vaccinated and you should be fine. COVID is never ever going away, the only strategy at this point is herd immunity with vaccines to help people survive the initial exposure. I'm not even taking many precautions at this point, because I got my booster two weeks ago and might as get this while my immunity is strongest.

[RB TexLa]

13. I will not be getting it.

I make people stay 10 feet away from me.

Today, I had to tell a person to back off and he said you have a mask what are you worried about I told him "I have it, and I'm about to cough right in your face." He backed up.

I get my booster tomorrow.

[Agschmid]

44. What you said to that man is illegal in some places and threatening behavior.

[RB TexLa]

46. He was standing right up behind me in line at the grocery store

I asked him to move back twice and told him to twice before threatening him. I didn't even threaten him with a weapon, I threatened him with a non-existent infection so it wasn't even a real threat.

[Agschmid]

135. Stand by my comment.

People have died of this disease, throwing it around as a baseless threat seems really low.

[Celerity]

52. You simply do not know this:

I will not be getting it.

Like the song says:

[Celerity]

59. Not remotely 'taking a shit' on anyone. What an OTT allegation.

on anyone being positive.

Is also ironic, given the title of your OP

The CDC no longer cares about spread of COViD

[Ms. Toad]

137. You are aware that 10' is no guarantee that you won't get it, right?

Aerosolized particles float on the air and travel much farther than 10' - AND - linger in the air so at the time you told him to back off you might have been breathing in the aerosolized matter left by the person standing just where you were a few minutes earlier.

I certainly hope I'm not going to get it - and I am taking all reasonable steps to avoid it. BUT there are no guarantees.

[rockfordfile]

17. No such thing as herd immunity with covid.

[Calculating]

19. That's because it's like the cold

However, subsequent cases usually aren't as bad after people have some initial exposure. The cold usually doesn't kill people, and eventually COVID will be yet another "cold virus". The reason for the deadliness of COVID is that it's a novel virus and nobody had any prior exposure to it

[monkeyman1]

33. I want to be immune to the TFG herd !! good luck with that one !!

[VarryOn]

18. I'm with you on this...

I started moving on after my second shot and before we knew boosters were a "thing." I've gone back to the office, gone to movies, eat out, gone to church, fly, attended sporting events, etc. And when I got my booster, I felt like Superman!

It sure seems most of us will end up with Omicron, if we haven't already.

My sister ended up with COVID about three weeks ago, after being as overly conscious as she could be. She went so far as to wearing two masks (albeit cloth ones). Her worst feeling with COVID? Nothing physical, just 2-3 days feeling off. She was more concerned that people would think she hadn't been vaccinated. She was literally embarrassed she had COVID.

Strange times.

[Calculating]

22. Yeah

I actually went out to the new Spiderman movie a week ago, and have been around a lot of people at work without worry. I'm 33 and not living the remainder of my life in fear. I plan on getting vaccinated periodically like the flu and moving on

[VarryOn]

28. My son and I are going to see Spiderman this weekend...

We wanted to go opening night, but couldn't get tickets. We use a small, high-end, boutique theater where they serve cocktails and food, so the waiting list took some time! It's good to see people getting out and about.

I've purposely avoided reviews, but I'm hoping for a good flick!

[Demsrule86]

105. I saw it with my daughter the week before Christmas and again with my husband on Christmas

eve...He couldn't go the first time. I rarely will sit through a movie twice. But this movie was amazing! I am looking forward to the Dr. Strange one coming out in January I think...I am now watching all the previous movies which I never watched before as I had no interest...only went with my daughter because I had not seen her in a bit and she invited me. I love it when my teen kids seek my company!

[Mister Ed]

73. I have to take issue with that "living in fear" line that people use.

I'm mighty fed up with the people in my life who like to call their carelessness "courage" while viewing my own caution and consideration for others as "fear".

I know what fear feels like. I recognize it when I experience it. And I can say for certain that I have never yet experienced a feeling of fear in regards to Covid.

I do take judicious precautions, though. Perhaps the best way to explain is to say that while I don't live in fear of automobile traffic, you will not find me running about on the interstate during rush hour.

[Mad_Machine76]

111. I hate that line too

Or moreso that the line implies that the rest of us whom are trying to take precautions ARE "living in fear" and that we are being unreasonable about our concerns about the health and safety of ourselves and others (in the face of a severely contagious and deadly respiratory virus that has sent hundreds of thousands to an early grave in this country alone). I also got accused of "bowing to the pharmaceuticals" by somebody on Twitter (re: vaccines).

Like

[agingdem]

27. I got it and have no idea how or where

I rarely leave my home but when I do I mask up, I do my best to social distance, I still use hand sanitizers during and after every outing, I'm vaxxed and boosted ...and three weeks ago I caught a cold..a very unusual cold...sore throat, a cough, chest congestion, non-stop sneezing, gushing nose, burning watery eyes, a different kind of headache, fatigue, and drenching night sweats..the night sweats were the giveaway..I had the omicron variant...after three days, the symptoms subsided but the fatigue and cough remained for another week...and now my daughter and son-in-law who live in Atlanta both have it but are recovering..this is nasty stuff but bearable if you've been vaccinated and boosted..my daughter said shops and restaurants are closing, not because of the contagion but bc the employees either have the variant or are self-isolating and they don't have enough staff to keep the doors open...and I agree with the 5 day isolation period...after three weeks and no symptoms, I still test positive..

[Delphinus]

95. Thanks

for sharing your first-hand story. I hope you recover fully.

[Demsrule86]

107. You are absolutely correct. My husband had much the same experience as you and after two weeks

he still tested positive but was allowed back to work under Ohio guidelines... a good thing or we would starve. It was a mild case...he still has a slight cough and tires easily...other than that he is fine. We are both vaxed and I had my booster and didn't get it. Although, I have heard of a few with booster still getting it.

[uponit7771]

67. +1

[Ms. Toad]

139. Please take precautions.

NO ONE knows what the long term complications of COVID are, beyond long COVID (which impacts more than 50% of those with even mild symptoms).

It might be like polio or chicken pox - and spin off a subsquent disease or syndrome. If it does, the only way to avoid it is to avoid the disease now.

In addition - since the most contagious times is 2 days before and 3 days after symptoms start. if you arenot taking many precautions to avoid it, you are also not taking many precautions to avoid spreading it should you come down with it - since those precautions are identical.

While it is inevitable that many of us will get COVID, it is irresponsible to not take all reasonable precautions to avoid it.

[stopdiggin]

15. public health measures are always a bit of a balancing act

between science and 'best practices' so to speak - and what the public is willing to embrace. I think the reading here is that a large portion of the public would simply refuse to go back into anything like a full lockdown mode (at this point in time) - no matter how it is presented, messaged or sold.

"I don't care about getting asymptomatic healthcare workers or airline workers back to their jobs. People can wait for the next flight, people can wait for their non emergency appointment or surgery."

It kind of boils down to the sentiment presented above - is probably somewhere in the fading minority right now. Omicron might serve us up a fairly brutal lesson on that score, but right now people are saying, "Held off seeing my family for 2 years .. now I'm going!"

[BGBD]

16. Trust the science and scientists...

Was the motto here until the science started saying things you didn't agree with.

5 days is enough now.

[lapfog_1]

31. Omicron has a much faster infection course

it infects the nasal and bronchial passages more than deep in the lungs. At least in people who are vaccinated and/or who have had some previous variant of the virus.

The body clears the virus from the nasal and bronchial airways much faster than the harder to clear alveoli in the lungs.

Personally I would have gone with 7 days from date of infection and at least 1 negative flow test before saying the virus is not transmissible... but I'm not an infectious disease specialist.

We are all going to be exposed to Omicron. There is no avoiding it. The vaccines only ever protected against serious infection.

Continue to wear a mask... if you have been using cloth masks, junk them in favor of N95 or KN95 masks... continue to social distance when possible. This isn't to prevent you from ever getting Omicron, but it will slow down the spread enough so that for those who DO get sick enough for the hospital to have that hospital bed and care that they will need.

[relayerbob]

20. It incubates in three days

[leftstreet]

21. They stopped caring in May when they lifted mask mandate

It's been a complete shitshow since then

[Meowmee]

39. Long before that

When many said masks won’t protect you and when it was already known that the main mode of transmission was aerosol but we were told to wash our hands etc. I even remember people saying no one would know how to properly wear a mask and would give themselves covid if they touched a surface and then their mask. What a crock. A real shutdown and a real travel ban should have started long before they did, real ones never actually happened here at any point though.

[BannonsLiver]

23. Just now getting your booster?

Folks should probably make sure their own house is in order before critiquing others.

[RB TexLa]

24. I have attacked no one. I have threatened people who do not social distance

but I am in a stand your ground state and consider them not doing so to put me at a physical risk.

[brooklynite]

25. Uncalled for.

You may disagree with their opinion. You may not like the decision-making process they went through. But you have no grounds to claim that they "don't care".

[Horse with no Name]

26. This is the conversation I had with my fellow RN's today

Last year. “Change your PPE after every patient!!!” Until there is a shortage of PPE and then you can wear it till it shreds. No matter the risk it presented to those of us on the front lines.

This year. “Stay home 5 days instead of 10” because simply there isn’t enough people to take care of those in the hospital.

These aren’t guided by science. They are guided by what the healthcare corporations need.

I’m honestly so discouraged.

[cadoman]

30. sometimes it feels like there is a lot of overlap with what science says and what corporations want

But we must learn to put that sort of conspiratorial thinking aside. Science doesn't look at the profit margin on a decision. Scientists run experiments to determine facts and reach consensus, after which they collaborate with journalists to crush misinformation.

Trust in science and it'll get us through this. The CDC does care, and they always give us the best information available at the time. Science has determined that five days is sufficient and it's way beyond our pay grade or training to question that.

[Horse with no Name]

38. Nice sentiment but it's bullshit

This is done to appease. There is a very good reason we wait 20—TWENTY—days from the time a patient has Covid and when we will do surgery and it is based on infection and transmission rates. That is science.

[Pinback]

29. I haven't found the armchair public health experts more reliable than the CDC.

Trashing thread.

[BannonsLiver]

93. We have a couple of ghouls on DU who think they know more.

[Meowmee]

32. True

They didn’t care very much at any point though, many blunders a long the way.

[monkeyman1]

36. remember , still experimental !!

[Meowmee]

40. I was actually told

By a nitwit at the hospital that infected my father that there was no treatment for covid because it was a virus, that was about year after the start.

[monkeyman1]

53. to bad this country has a shit -pot full of them !! especially in D.C.!

[Meowmee]

61. Yes medicine etc.

Is a sorry state of affairs currently.

[Dopers_Greed]

34. The virus won...there's no point in trying to control it anymore

My life has been completely destroyed by the last 2 years of restrictions.

I'm boosted currently. But if I get it, I get it.

[Azathoth]

35. 10 day quarantines are unsustainable and will encourage non-compliance

There is a certain contingent on the left that has embraced perpetual covid lockdown protocols with the same zeal the far right has embraced covid denial.

The country can no longer handle the economic, social and emotional damage of lockdowns, shutdowns, and mandatory two week quarantines. We're way past the prevention phase and deep into the long-term mitigation phase. Recommendations need to be made with an eye towards balancing their reasonableness with their statistical efficacy. Neither most businesses nor most individuals are going to comply with 2 week quarantine periods.
If a 5-day quarantine recommendation will reduce spread by only 60% but people will be twice as likely to comply with it, then it's a solid tradeoff.

The simple fact is that covid is the new flu. Deadlier, but the same principle. Those who have the luxury of being able to isolate themselves in a bubble are free to do so, but they need to accept that the rest of society is moving forward without them.

[RB TexLa]

41. Social and emotional damage? WTF?

[Skittles]

65. I hear you

people are unbelievably delicate

[smirkymonkey]

75. Yeah, seriously!

WTF?

v

[Azathoth]

136. Man, sounds like a Ben Shapiro line

"These poor delicate snowflakes who just can't handle prolonged isolation along with relentless disruption of their economic and social lives! And don't get me started on these trans snowflakes who can't handle the wrong pronouns!"

[Skittles]

138. oh give me a break

if people had just done the right thing from the start we would not be in this mess but OMG some people just cannot handle change - heaven forbid they miss a fucking Christmas dinner - YES they are delicate, and it STINKS

[yardwork]

85. Actually, there is a mental health crisis paralleling the Covid pandemic.

Isolation is damaging to people's health.

[yardwork]

119. I could respond as rudely as you.... but I won't.

I wish you a happy new year.

[Demsrule86]

110. I would note that there is still a 10 day quarantine for the symptomatic...which I feel

is a bit long given the science.

[LudwigPastorius]

37. Did you read what the CDC said about this?

The change is motivated by science demonstrating that the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of symptoms and the 2-3 days after. Therefore, people who test positive should isolate for 5 days and, if asymptomatic at that time, they may leave isolation if they can continue to mask for 5 days to minimize the risk of infecting others.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html

[Horse with no Name]

43. So the catchphrase is asymptomatic

I’m sure most employers will comply with that when they determine when their employees will return.
Just like the people that were vaccinated can stop wearing masks. That worked out very well.

[NurseJackie]

71. Clearly not.

Did you read what the CDC said about this?

Clearly not. Otherwise, the OP's absurd accusation would have never been posted in the first place.

Thanks for the link and the quoted / highlighted text!

[Jon King]

49. RB TexLa, you will either get it or wear an N95 mask the rest of your life.

Covid is going to be around forever in one variant or another. It is inevitable that everyone will get it at some point unless they literally stay masked the rest of their lives whenever around people. Think boy in a bubble stuff....not joking, you would have to spend the rest of your live acting as people have to do who have no immune system. They have to live completely differently than others.

Our plan is to be vaxxed, boosted, exercise and eat well to maintain health as best we can and live life normally. The only purpose of wearing a mask right now is to slow the spread of Omicron to ease the burden on health care systems and work forces, etc.

But once this wave passes, it is what it is, Covid in a mild form to the boosted and reasonably healthy will become like a cold, something we get, sniffle through for a few days, and move on.

Anyone who does not wear a mask the rest of their lives will indeed be infected with the current dominant variant of Covid each year, just like we are from the flu.

[elias7]

54. Your proclamation is premature and smells of impatience

As someone who is totally overloaded in an ER by mostly people with similar attitudes, I’d wish to avoid such a commentary here.

[uponit7771]

69. The CDC isn't going for eradication of CV19 like polio, so what else is left? CV19 isn't just going

... to up and leave the planet cause everyone was double vaxed masked and boosted.

Come on people

[róisín_dubh]

79. +1

[Calculating]

90. This isn't a patience issue

Zero COVID is not a viable goal unless we come up with vaccines that completely stop infection rather than mitigate the symptoms. COVID will be with humans like another cold or flu until the end of civilization.

[uponit7771]

141. +1,

[Zeitghost]

152. It's the truth

It may not be the truth we hoped for, but it is the truth none the less. Eradication was never in the cards as soon as this thing escaped Wuhan.

[uponit7771]

68. +1

[RB TexLa]

88. I will not get it. It is not acceptable for me to be infected.

[RB TexLa]

96. It may be acceptable for you to get it, it is not acceptable for me.

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[tritsofme]

140. You may well get it, despite your best efforts.

But catching Covid in the midst of a pandemic is not a moral failing.

[Ford_Prefect]

50. I have to say the whole thing seems like the PR crew have taken over from the serious scientists.

This aligns with the mask snafu.

For a disease which can kill those who are vulnerable enough this is beyond ridiculous and dangerous.

In China they locked down 13 million people. In London they are running out of space to treat ANYONE....And the CDC today announces what sounds like "Don't worry, Be Happy!"

WTF is going on??????????????????????????????????????

[Cuthbert Allgood]

51. You know there is actual science based on statistics behind this change, right?

What degree do you have and what research have you done that makes you think they don't know what they are doing?

[intrepidity]

55. I guess everyone has forgotten about "long haul" covid

You know, the still-unknown long-term consequences of having played host to this virus.

I'm going to avoid being one of those for as long as I possibly can.

All the rest of you can play roulette if you so choose.

[RB TexLa]

57. That's why I don't want it in me

[intrepidity]

58. Yep. Same here. nt

[Meowmee]

62. This

I am lh and now heart damage showed up over a year later. I am having lots of other things going on. My father survived but with severe damage and was lh, he died about 10 months later.

[gypsy11]

87. I've read as many as 30%

Of people who contract a mild case will have long Covid. Disability in the population looks like it’s going to be a problem going forward. I have no desire to take a chance on having life long health problems that prevent me from living normally, and in the US, will bankrupt me inside a year. I’d rather die, frankly.

Long Covid is a real thing that NO ONE with a public voice seems to be talking about. I’m in 100% agreement that caution should be exercised in all policies and personal decisions.

[Ace Rothstein]

134. What do you think is going to happen when the vaccines don't have sterilizing immunity?

Combine that with a highly contagious variant and everyone is going to be exposed. Get your boosters and stay safe as needed.

[KT2000]

60. the local news tonight said

contagion is two days before symptoms and three days after symptoms begin. That sounds like other viruses.

[malaise]

63. Quarantime time is reduced if you are asymptomatic and

if you follow the new mask requirements,

[usedtobedemgurl]

66. People who state how quick omicron is...

Are assuming (as is the CDC, if this is their reasoning) each abs every case in the US is omicron. Is it dominant? Most definitely. Are there any Delta cases? Heck yeah! Will there be any more variations? Yes, but that is beside the point for most people.


The reason to care about those who think the new guidelines are fine, is the more people who get this, the more chances for variations to pop up. The next one may have a pretty high death rate, vaccinated or not.

It is not living in fear, it is living smartly. When I listen to music while bathing, the radio is not next to the tub. This is not living in fear, as much as being smart. If I have to dig something out if a toaster, I unplug it. Again, this is living smartly.

I got a concussion a few months back. Almost everyday I walk around feeling like I just chugged six shots at a bar. I do not drive. This is not living in fear. I would be picked up for driving impaired, if a cop stopped me. I could Jill someone else and/or myself. Not driving is respecting my safety, as well as the safety of others.

If you look back at my posts, maybe a year or more I started a thread that said people should care about the unvaxxed, because they will put a strain on our society and hospital care. I predicted some vaxxed may die, because these yahoos will take up space. Most of the replies seemed to downplay it, and some basically said it would not happen. Even if we are being safe, that holds true today. Those people are tearing apart our society.

We should be making rules, in my opinion, based on the lowest common denominator. For now, that means we are telling the Delta infected they need not quarantine for more than five days. Since there is no way to immediately know what you have, it feels like we should be going with the safe number.

We do not make rules on who might break them. Will some people be tempted to not abide by regulations? Undoubtedly. Does that mean we should not have rules, like speed limits or quarantine recommendations? Nah!!!!!

[uponit7771]

72. The CDC isn't going for eradication of CV19 like polio, so what else is left? CV19 isn't just going

... away and leave the planet cause all 8 billion of us is double vaxed masked and boosted.

In the next 5 years CV19 will be around, I just pray it'll be in the sniffles form and not the can't breath form.

If we don't want the stain on society then the government needs to make the boundaries for the purposefully unvaxed and put them in their own safe spaces of being put last on the resources list.

Then have them pay for their own treatments ...

At some point we have to stop enabling the stupid and let everyone else live their lives.

[usedtobedemgurl]

84. The problem is none of us can live our lives...

If because this disease is not controlled, we end up with vaccine resistant and deadly variants. The longer this is left to its own devices, the more damage will be done.

I have seen people state the sky is falling, we cannot let this destroy the economy. That is all well and good, but between people afraid to die and folks who have died, it has really done a number on us. I believe the dead and the afraid to die are responsible for all those job signs and work shortages. Wonder how bad it will be if it reaches 2 million dead. There will be a multitude of unmanned jobs due to dead, people afraid to die and long haul.

Honestly, I am not as afraid to get it (vaxxed and bolstered) as much as I am afraid to live with long haul. Many times I have seen in the news where even mild cases can have long haul. I live in enough pain, from my car accident. The last thing I need is years of added pain. The long haulers are finding it hard to get around, let alone full job vacancies.

You mark my word, not only us this causing a strain on our health care, but letting it continue as we are will cause damage to the economy and our citizens. More than it already has. It will also cause us to have to have specialists just to take care of long haul. Long haul is something I do not hear mentioned often, but it is there. It can attack you, even if you do not go to the hospital. The effects of this will be felt for years to come.

[NurseJackie]

70. What a ridiculous thing to say. 🙄

The CDC no longer cares about spread of COViD

What a ridiculous thing to say.

[BannonsLiver]

100. And waiting forever to get their booster too.

I’m wondering what the hold up was. Were they waiting to do their own research?

[inthewind21]

122. The OP

Is over the top absurd.

[BlackSkimmer]

74. I gave up on the CDC under tfg.

And nothing seems to have changed all that much.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

91. Amen..Still think they are victims of a system where no one

Ever questioned their judgement like FG did. Weren't used to someone not actually following their advice to save human life. I haven't read the rationale yet have you?

[Patton French]

76. Bowing to pressure (n/t)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

77. 130k likes on Twitter

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Polybius]

78. Unfortunately, Fauci says he agrees agrees with the 5 day quarantine

I think he just never wants to publicly oppose the CDC. He can't possibly support this.

[NurseJackie]

80. Does that mean you think Doctor Fauci is weak? Or corrupt? Or incompetent? Or bought?

He can't possibly support this.

Why would you doubt what he says? Has he been taken over by an alien lifeform? Is he speaking under duress? Is his family being held hostage somewhere?

[ProfessorGAC]

82. The "Fauci Lies" Threads...

...can be found on plenty of odious websites.
Please don't bring them here.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

89. I know!!! Agree P.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

99. He also says it's driven by the manufactured need to keep businesses open. How reassuring.

"Manufactured" is my word.

[leftstreet]

108. He's just admitted it's to keep business open

Link to tweet

?s=20

[liberal_mama]

121. Dr. Wen said the same thing on CNN today. It's really about people not being off from work

Everyone already knew that, but it's good that they admit it.

My husband is an essential worker and they want him at work. We've had to deal with this the whole pandemic. Now it will be even more unsafe for him, working with coworkers who might be contagious with Covid.

[Demsrule86]

112. And that means it is OK in my book unless you have the education and background that Fauci has, I

do not think you make a better case. And Dr. Fauci does not always agree with the CDC...your comment slanders Dr. Fauci and is unfair.

[BannonsLiver]

92. Just now getting your booster?

Pardon me if I’m not terribly interested in your critique of actual professionals.

[leftstreet]

101. What a strange thing to say

Do you know when the poster was originally vaxxed? Do you know his/her health history?

weird

[BannonsLiver]

104. I don't give a shit if you think it's strange or weird.

It’s a valid question. Boosters have been widely available since late summer. Don’t like the question? Keep on scrolling. Plenty of others here have the same anti “gubment” POV.

[leftstreet]

106. But you don't know the poster's first vax dates

You're dismissing what s/he says based on a weird purity test, and it's something I'm not used to seeing from DU members

[BlackSkimmer]

131. ...

[Meowmee]

126. Agree

And it has nothing to do with the numerous obvious blunders and deceptions. Getting vaccinated was not easy from the start. It was practically impossible to get an appointment. It was given to the wrong people first before all of the elderly and high risk, many young, healthy people were prioritized. Many refused vaccines and hcw were still allowed to work for months unvaxed. Vaccines were tossed that could have saved lives. In our area the early vax process was corrupt. Israel is already working on 4th doses and we are still behind with not even enough testing 2 years in.

[NurseJackie]

118. IK,R? 🙄

[634-5789]

120. I'm tired of it all. ALL.

[Chakaconcarne]

123. This strikes a balance. I trust the CDC and am good with it, personally.

[Kaleva]

125. Not expecting others to do what I want, I'd go into isolation if I was worried.

[Raftergirl]

127. It really cannot be controlled anymore.

There is just too much virus out there and it’s too contagious.

I don’t even think testing will make much of a difference now.

If you feel at all poorly stay home. If you know you have been around someone who has the virus stay home.

Don’t go out to a NYE party or to a bar, restaurant, event. Stay home.

Wear a mask everywhere.

The UK is going to have to go the 5 day quarantine route very soon as there are just too many cases. Everything would shut down, and like here the medical industrial complex would implode due to lack of workers. Manufacturing and other sectors of the economy, too.

SA has already told people who are asymptomatic to stop testing and stop quarantining at all, because it cannot be controlled.

The good news is those who are vaxxed and vaxxed and boosted still seem to be only getting mild cases, though if you have only had two shots it’s worse than of boosted.

It is still the unvaccinated who are needing hospitalization and showing severe symptom.

From an ER doctor in NYC:


OMICRON VARIANT
‘NYC ER Doc Breaks Down How Omicron Affects the Boosted, Vaxxed and Unvaccinated’
According to well-known Manhattan ER doctor Craig Spencer, the omicron variant can be as mild as a cold - with the right vaccinations

A growing body of scientific evidence suggest the omicron variant of COVID-19 is less severe than the delta variant -- but according to one prominent New York City emergency room physician, it all depends on what shots you've had.

Omicron is surging out of control in the city, with some Manhattan neighborhoods approaching 20% positivity rates, and hospitalizations doubling or more in recent weeks, particularly in children.

Against that backdrop, the city's emergency rooms are seeing a huge spike in patients - the asymptomatic seeking tests, the symptomatic who don't know where else to go and those in the ER for other reasons altogether who end up having COVID anyway.

Craig Spencer, a Manhattan ER doctor affiliated with Columbia University who became a Twitter superstar in the early days of the pandemic for his running commentary on the battle against the virus, tweeted a detailed breakdown late Sunday of what omicron cases look like.

Omicron symptoms by vaccine type

"Every patient I’ve seen with Covid that’s had a 3rd ‘booster’ dose has had mild symptoms. By mild I mean mostly sore throat. Lots of sore throat. Also some fatigue, maybe some muscle pain. No difficulty breathing. No shortness of breath. All a little uncomfortable, but fine," Spencer wrote.

From there, it goes downhill - slowly, though.

"Most patients I’ve seen that had 2 doses of Pfizer/Moderna still had ‘mild’ symptoms, but more than those who had received a third dose. More fatigued. More fever. More coughing. A little more miserable overall. But no shortness of breath. No difficulty breathing. Mostly fine," he said.

For those who just had the one shot of the J&J vaccine and never took a booster, the situation isn't as good.

"Most patients I’ve seen that had one dose of J&J and had Covid were worse overall. Felt horrible. Fever for a few days (or more). Weak, tired. Some shortness of breath and cough. But not one needing hospitalization. Not one needing oxygen. Not great. But not life-threatening," he tweeted.

And then there are the unvaccinated, who by all data are being hospitalized at a rate 15x or more the vaccinated.

"And almost every single patient that I’ve taken care of that needed to be admitted for Covid has been unvaccinated. Every one with profound shortness of breath. Every one whose oxygen dropped when they walked. Every one needing oxygen to breath regularly," he said.

Spencer's recommendations were straightforward -- get vaccinated if you haven't, get a second dose of something else if you've had one J&J shot, and if you're eligible, get a booster.

"So no matter your political affiliation, or thoughts on masks, or where you live in this country, as an ER doctor you’d trust with your life if you rolled into my emergency room at 3am, I promise you that you’d rather face the oncoming Omicron wave vaccinated," Spencer concluded.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nyc-er-doc-breaks-down-how-omicron-affects-the-boosted-vaxxed-and-unvaccinated/3468742/?amp

[peggysue2]

142. Everyone is bone tired of Covid but . . .

The CDC is doing the best they can navigating the various variants without shutting the entire country down, again.

This virus might have been contained and limited early on if Trump hadn't politicized the breakout, refused to do anything constructive and additionally encouraged his followers to enter his own delusional mindset. Remember, there was a detailed pandemic strategy left by the Obama Administration that Trump and his ignoramuses willfully discarded. We're now dealing with the aftermath of a totally irresponsible administration, an ex-president who said only this week that vaccinations were a good thing, that vaccinations represented an historical medical achievement.

Ya think?

No one wants to get sick but the good news (so far) is that Omicron is a pale sister to the other variants. Except for unvaccinated, that is.

So yes, it's wearisome. But we will eventually come to the end of this when the virus burns itself out, the way other coronaviruses have done.

My worry is the next pandemic for which Covid could very easily be a dress rehearsal.

[BannonsLiver]

149. Chode.