Patient coded and dies from Covid - Family writes comments on hopital room white board

[packman]

[dchill]

1. Leads one to believe that their anger is misplaced.

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Gee, I Wish Those Family Members...

...lived next door to us.
They seem like charming people.

[Effete Snob]

26. Why do you believe this is real

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think this is genuine?

[ProfessorGAC]

31. You Presume Too Much

Ever heard of a hypothetical?

[Effete Snob]

32. Yes

Hypotheticals are generally stated with conditional phrases instead of unqualified ones.

In any event, if we can get a list of deaths in San Antonio from 12/24, we will have a short list of candidates.

[33taw]

44. How can you tell this is from San Antonio?

[Effete Snob]

46. There is a thing called Google

Do you see the white board in the picture?

It refers to the "patient and family line" at "ext. 6869" at the bottom.

Searching for those two text strings on Google works like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22patient+and+family+line%22+%22ext.+6869%22

If you copy and paste that into your browser, you will find that out of all of the documents on the planet that Google can identify, it only comes up with one result - an HR manual for a hospital in San Antonio:

http://hr.universityhealthsystem.com/purchasing/pdf/1036A.pdf

However, on further review, I found that the exact point of reference is page 53 of that document. That corresponds to a brochure published by the white board company as a sample template.

So, additional searching is required to find the hospital where extension 6869 corresponds to a patient and family information line.

[LymphocyteLover]

34. you seriously think someone spoofed this given all the COVIDIOTS we know are out there, and all

the stories we've heard from nurses and docs? WTF, man.

[Effete Snob]

40. I don't know if it is real or not

It is something that the OP found on unidentified social media.

Just because something on social media confirms your beliefs does not make it true.

Do you think there are a lot of racist restaurant customers? Sure.

Does that make this real:



https://www.10tv.com/article/news/nation-world/texas-waiter-faked-we-dont-tip-terrorist-note-receipt-restaurant-says/530-fd135618-8830-432c-8f6b-4b34e9fb65ba

A waiter at a Texas steakhouse made up the viral story about a customer leaving him a racist note, his employer said Monday. The story gained national attention after Khalil Cavil, a 20-year-old server for Saltgrass Steak House in Odessa, Texas, posted a now-deleted image of the receipt he claimed was left for him on July 14.

...

Cavil also admitted to the newspaper that he wrote the "we don't tip terrorist" note himself.

"I did write it," Cavil told the Odessa American. "I don't have an explanation. I made a mistake. There is no excuse for what I did."

No, I don't reflexively believe stuff that random anonymous people post on the internet, even if it is consistent with things that people believe.

[Hortensis]

65. Agree everything should be verified. Especially when its main

purpose in posting seems to be to reinforce the partisan hostility that's being used by pernicious elements to tear our nation apart.

The content is credible, if this isn't real this sort of thing probably happened somewhere, but it's not a good thing that the source is hidden.

[Effete Snob]

48. Here's a question for you

Think about what was going on when that was written.

The family was in there, visiting a covid patient, as one does. There were at least two family members, as you can tell by the two different letter "u" in the derogatory comments.

Now, either they were in there when the patient died, or they were called in after the patient died, to, I dunno, look at the dead body.

When did they start monkeying with the white board?

Were they (1) left alone in there with the infected corpse of the person who just died, or (2) were they left alone in the empty room after the dead person was wheeled out?

If your family member had just died, and you were there in the hospital room with the corpse, then why would you stick around after the body was removed from the room? Why would you even be left in there?

[Rebl2]

61. I didn't

realize that families were allowed in to visit dying Covid patients.

[Effete Snob]

66. Uh-huh

Maybe there is somewhere where they are, but I'd like to hear from someone who might have broad familiarity with current practices.

[LymphocyteLover]

81. My guess is the family came in after the patient died, perhaps to collect patient belongings

But here's the other thing-- I do suspect doctors and nurses are too burnt out and tired to do this kind of hoax crap. But even if they did hoax, I imagine it was because the family DID abuse them.

[lostnfound]

91. Russian troll farms deeper than you think

Their #1 goal is to divide. To make people in America (and other countries) divide up, be confused, and hate each other. This photo may or may not be authentic. The fact that it did not come from a specific Twitter or Facebook account is interesting. How many nurses spend their time on 4chan or Reddit? Maybe yes, maybe no.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russia-troll-2020-election-interference-twitter-916482/

[Boomerproud]

3. This should go viral and the family outed.

[onecaliberal]

6. 👆🏻👆🏻

Because good people doing everything to keep themselves and others safe are also being sacrificed by these walking human feces.

[uppityperson]

10. Grief can make people act in awful ways

[SoCalDavidS]

14. Oh, Spare Me

They are awful people to begin with. Don’t blame grief for the fact they’re pieces of shit.

The world is a safer place with his death.

[uppityperson]

15. I'm a RN who has worked ER, hospitals, hospice and stand by my statement.

Some people are awful, but grief can make people act out in all sorts of ways.

[Effete Snob]

53. Can I ask you a quick question?

In your experience, when an infectious patient codes and dies in the ICU, do the visitors stick around for that?

I'm trying to figure out the sequence here...

Visitors in the room, patient dies, staff comes in and does whatever they do, staff leaves, family stays in room with corpse for a while.

Or is it

Patient dies, corpse is left in room, family comes to visit corpse in room.

What is the sequence of events where you end up with family left alone in the room with the corpse, or left behind after the corpse is wheeled out?

[CrackityJones75]

58. It depends.

For my father in law we were there. But he had been taken off everything and it was imminent.

[EndlessWire]

86. I agree with you.

I once saw a surgeon who had the awful duty to tell a roomful of family and friends that a patient had died during emergency surgery for gsw. They started screaming and attacking the doctor, who was immediately extracted from the room by a burly ward aide. It stuck with me because I had never seen anything like that.

I once had a patient in code with the family watching, and one relative ran in the room screaming for us to stop "hurting her." It was her Mom...what were we supposed to do...so sad...

[Kid Berwyn]

89. +2

Thank you for your work as a care giver and kindness as a human being.

[gratuitous]

18. Yeah, but I don't think that's the case here

I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a donut this family sues the hospital.

[Iggo]

13. Long as nobody gets hurt, I tend to look the other way on grief rage.

[Effete Snob]

24. University Health, San Antonio TX

"Ext. 6869" for the "patient and family line".

That uniquely corresponds to page 53 of this document:

http://hr.universityhealthsystem.com/purchasing/pdf/1036A.pdf

Perhaps you can help accomplish your goal by seeing if there is a handy roster of deaths in San Antonio from 12/24.

[tritsofme]

50. What do you suppose that would accomplish?

[nykym]

4. Include

cleaning service for the whiteboard in their bill.

[pandr32]

5. Absolutely disgraceful

No introspection at all

[multigraincracker]

7. A little over a year ago

I went into ER and had a pacemaker installed while I was in the Cardiac unit. The nurses were the best, just like almost all of them are.
Other than just lying there, I made it my job to help the nurses in anyway I could, for me that means making them laugh. Two weeks later I got a beautiful card, signed by all of the nurses wishing my a happy birthday. I can't begin to tell you how great that made me feel.

[TreasonousBastard]

9. Last week I went to the ER and was admitted for a case of pneumonia-- I can't imagine...

anyone thinking that way of the phenomenal people that helped keep me alive.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

49. I was having

A psych breakdown and had to go to a cardiac unit. Later went to the Psych ward after my blood pressure issue was figured out.

The nurses in that cardiac unit were so kind it literally made me cry.
I hope they are all ok and safe with all these failed human trash around.

[multigraincracker]

55. Had a break down in 1991 and ended up in

a psych unit. Best thing that ever happened to me in my life. A great psychiatrist took me under his wing. Turn my life around 180 degrees. found out why I was the way I was. Made it 42 years without knowing about my learning disabilities I suffered ffor all of those years.
Had a terrible time in college, he told me to go back to college and sit in the front row. He was right, I graduated Magna Cum Laude with degrees in psychology and anthropology. I had always thought I was just dumb.

[bdamomma]

85. thank you

for sharing your story. All the best to you, you took great advice and turned your life around.

[wryter2000]

52. What a great story

I became septic with a pelvic infection when I was 39. After a hysterectomy, I spent 2 weeks in ICU. The doctors were great, but it was the nurses who saved my life. When I got out, my husband and I went to a really nice bakery and bought two cakes and took them to the nurses in that unit. They said it was great to see one of their patients after she was out of the hospital and on the road to a full recovery.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

79. I agree great story

Glad your septicemia was conquered

[LoisB]

8. How long before another of the family seeks help from those same doctors and nurses when they

have their own battle with Covid?

[Initech]

11. Wow, I understand grief makes people do crazy things, but holy crap.

[Tetrachloride]

12. I can think of several times that hospital staff of all the

areas: nurses especially, doctors, therapists, dieticians and my own family

have saved my family, friends or myself from death, serious injury or lifelong suffering.

i myself have saved at least 3 from death. All 3 died within 6 weeks, but with dignity. One more indirectly was this past 10 days.

[Effete Snob]

16. They are allowing families to visit covid patients now?

I thought that, in general, hospitals weren't allowing visitors to covid ICU areas.

Has that changed?

[Totally Tunsie]

29. I've been wondering about that also...

Lately I've seen several accounts by people stating they were visiting relatives with COVID in hospital.

[33taw]

45. I think there are specific COVID units. Once you test negative for COVID you can be moved to a non

COVID unit. This is just a guess and I am familiar with someone this happened to.

[Effete Snob]

54. Okay, but this was a covid patient, obviously

This hospital is allowing visitors for terminal covid patients.

[33taw]

63. I am writing specifically about COVID patients. Once an individual is no longer testing positive

for COVID they can be moved to non-covid units. While they may be in for COVID and the family perceives them to be a COVID patient - their diagnosis changes. My brother contracted COVID, was moved multiple times between units and facilities. The last unit was not a COVID unit. He died of Pneumonia, because he was not COVID positive at the time and when he died - the Coroner determined the cause to be Pneumonia rather than COVID. He could have visitors (albeit limited) in the non-COVID unit even before he was considered terminal. I would argue he died of COVID or COVID as an underlying condition, but the right wing protested that these deaths are not COVID deaths and won. I'd like to see the state wide statistics on Pneumonia deaths for 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021.

[Effete Snob]

67. I am sorry about your brother

I have not lost a sibling, and that would be painful.

[33taw]

77. Thanks, it was pre-vaccine and is frustrating.

[muriel_volestrangler]

93. Texas passed a law saying patients, including Covid-positive ones, must be allowed visitors

The new law lays out hospitals’ latitude to restrict visitations during times and in locations of officially declared disasters. For instance, hospitals can’t prohibit in-person visitation with a patient during the disaster period unless federal law or a federal agency requires it. Otherwise, during such a disaster, hospitals can restrict visitors to as few as one person. They can also require visitors to complete a health screening before entering the hospital and to wear personal protective equipment (PPE) at all times.

“[Hospitals] can definitely require [visitors] to have specific kinds of PPE and follow related protocols,” TMA lobbyist Troy Alexander said. “If they don’t comply with what the hospital’s asking, they can be asked to leave.”

Importantly for doctors, hospitals aren’t required to allow in-person visitation with a patient if an attending physician determines that it “may lead to the transmission of an infectious agent that poses a serious community health risk.” An attending physician’s determination along those lines is good for five days and can be renewed after that.

https://www.texmed.org/TexasMedicineDetail.aspx?id=57603

So if a physician is willing to be the one lawsuits would be brought against by arguing that a visit would be a "serious community health risk", they can stop it. But if the patient is on a ventilator, and the visitor wearing PPE and doesn't touch them, they might find that hard to argue, and not worth the lawsuits from the crazy RWers.

[gibraltar72]

17. Gotta blame somebody.

Can't blame dead guy. Can't admit the truth.

[GopherGal]

19. or the one of them who likely gave the dead guy the virus that killed him

Can't face their own guilt. Easier to blame the medical staff who tried to save him from them.

[lostnfound]

20. Is this real or is it some Russian troll farm divisive crap?

They try to do it on both sides.

[Effete Snob]

22. The whiteboard is a generic template from Chameleon WhiteBoard

However, it is customized with "Ext. 6869" for the "patient and family line".

That uniquely corresponds to one of the styles shown on page 53 of this document:

http://hr.universityhealthsystem.com/purchasing/pdf/1036A.pdf


I thought that hospitals didn't allow visitors to Covid ICU areas. Perhaps someone can provide insight about that.

But in classic fashion the OP doesn't bother to state where it came from. You are simply asked to believe it is genuine.

------

on edit... the 6869 extension, however, seems to come from a brochure by the whiteboard company which is included in an employee manual for that hospital.

[nilram]

56. universityhealthsystem.com doesn't call out a Covid ICU in their visitor guidelines

fyi, fwiw, https://www.universityhealthsystem.com/Health-Wellness/Coronavirus-COVID19/Visitation-Guidelines (looking at the University Hospital section).

[dalton99a]

21. They spell doctor "docter"

[Effete Snob]

27. There were two people who wrote on it

The "u" is different for the derogatory comments.

[lpbk2713]

23. Trump and the rest of the mouth breathers killed him.

If the rest of the family is unvaxxed ... whose turn is next?

Dumbasses wait till they are symptomatic and show up half dead expecting instant cure to begin.
They use up resources that heart and kidney and lung patients have to still wait for.

[roamer65]

25. LETS GO, DARWIN!

Go get ‘em, CoVID.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

57. Go,go Darwin!

[Effete Snob]

28. Where did you find this?

And what makes you think it is real?

[LiberalLovinLug]

59. How likely is it to be real? You must ask yourself this first.

To which IMO, it is highly likely. Based on what I've seen.
But....yes, there is a chance it is fake.

But what I find perpetually entertaining, in a black kind of way, is how much Democrats / Liberals, go out of their way to help Republicans out in stomping out questions on anything that puts Republicans, or their supporters, in a bad light. Even demand resignations before any Republican does. Just in the possibility that we may be wrong. And we'd have egg on our faces.

Meanwhile, Republicans will even just make shit up about a Democrat or their supporters, with of course no dissension. And have no shame in even expanding on the initial conspiracy theory and adding more to it. They understand the 24 hour media story cycle. They know how the medium is the message. Its just about getting out the accusations and fomenting doubt, and its on to the next day's work.

So you are not wrong, if you want to dot all your i's and cross your t's for the ultimate PC test. But we are in different times. Its already an unfair playing field, with an unfair Elector system, and representation per population disparage, we have to sometimes play the political game card over the puritanical moral card. Al Franken should have never been pressured to resign for instance.

So when a story like this comes out, its just funny that its garanteed there will always be a poster such as yourself to throw in a wrench. I understand there is a noble ideal that "the truth will eventualy come out" So we have to expose everything and anything no matter if it affects badly them or us. Let the dominos fall, and eventually we will all know the REAL truth. And even the red hats will nod in agreement at the overwhelming evidence.

Its so laughable how niave that is. By the time that supposed future roles around, the New Gilead State of America will be already up and running. There will be no independent press or honest history books left.

[Effete Snob]

69. So truth doesn't matter?

It's weird how several people feel a need to make comments about me personally, when I simply have my curiosity piqued about the post.

I was raised to believe a questioning mind is a healthy mind.

[LiberalLovinLug]

73. Its not that the truth doesn't matter.

Its that a larger truth matters more.

While we make sure all the i's are dotted, before presenting our final essay, they have already written, and released, and sold their badly written, weak plotted, pulp fiction scare horror novel as a best seller, of what will happen if you dare believe any of the long intellectually produced dissertation we produced.

Sorry if I made it personal. I was thinking more generally. How our side is so quick to raise suspicions of something that confirms bad behaviour by someone from their side, that seems true, both in the pictures, and from reading the other stories we hear about. But because there's a small chance its not real....no matter how much it helps to show the irrational selfishness of the MAGATs, which IS a greater truth....we must decline that advantage.

Meanwhile the other side has realized long ago to not play by those rules. Their supporters are in it to win it, no matter what it takes.

I'm not advocating making shit up, like they do. But no need to go out of our way to help the other side. Democracy is in too great a danger.

[Ms. Toad]

78. Passing on made up shit is as bad as making it up in the first place.

There's nothing in the OP which suggests were this was found
A reverse image search doesn't turn it up at all

Confirmation bias is nearly as bad on our side as it is on the right. We see something we would like to believe because it confirms our biases, we accept it as true with no investigation at all, and pass it on as if it was true.

Kids in cages with foil blankets - attributed to Trump, until the images were found to be from Obama's presidency
Confiscated rosaries - attributed to Trump, until the images were found to predate even Obama's presidency

We're no better than the Republicans - and are contributing to the concept of alternative facts - if we don't do basic checking before passing on those juicy tidbits.

[Dr. Strange]

74. Reddit, from the looks of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/comments/rrqjzj/gratitude/

[Raftergirl]

30. Why are these people

bothering to go to the hospital when they can take ivermectin and then just die at home?

[DENVERPOPS]

35. Yes

If this is true, I immediately wondered if the patient was an anti-vaxer, and an anti masker..........

I saw in some article the family is suing the hospital for not administering ivermectin as the relatives told them to do.......

[ancianita]

33. Lots of divisive hype out there. I'm not hating on hurting people.

[TomDaisy]

36. whoever that is, I'm glad he's dead.

[ashredux]

37. When reality bites, some folks have a hard time excepting

When reality bites, some folks have a hard time excepting it

Especially when their own actions caused the death of their loved one. They cannot accept and lash out at those who tried to save them

[llashram]

38. trumper idiots

of the worst kind. I wonder how many of them have Covid?

[Chakaconcarne]

39. Where was this posted?

I get the frustration on the part of the healthcare worker(s), but pretty unprofessional if this is broadcasting on social media.

"Keep his unvaccinated butt alive"?

Good way to get canned....

That is my opinion.

[Effete Snob]

42. OP doesn't seem interested in answering that one

I've looked for it in on Twitter and haven't found it yet.

[Retired Engineer Bob]

41. Mark my words

It is only a matter of time before a right wing gun humping anti-vax nutcase shows up at a hospital with an AR-15, getting revenge on the staff for not providing Ivermectin to save the life of their loved one.

I wish the hell I was wrong.

[bucolic_frolic]

43. Grief can bring out the worst

anger at the outcome blames the nearest target. They're not understanding the serious of this illness, because remember, it was no big deal in their tiny minds, you just laugh at the hoax and it goes away, remember?

[Skittles]

84. this is not grief

this is just plain indecent behavior

these people are sickening

[EndlessWire]

87. I don't want to get too deep into this

but you are just assuming stuff about people that you don't really know. People who are not vaccinated are now the enemy. I AM NOT VACCINATED. I have had very good reasons for not getting a vaccination. And, now that I am ready to get one, I have had to cancel two different appointments for very good reasons. I will be up for a third try shortly, for my FIRST shot, while all you perfect people are done with your boosters. But, I'll get there.

And, it's not because I have a tiny mind, or am an anti-vaxxer, or anything else. I am isolated and have plans to get it done. Believe it or not, there are still people who want a shot but haven't been able to bring it about. But, now I have to be shamed and listen to people declaring that I have no right to any medical care because I failed to make it happen. Boy, the times are tough.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

47. What a degerate asshole

These violent people need to be sitting in jail.

[Effete Snob]

51. Two degenerate assholes

You can tell from the handwriting that the comments were written by people who make their letter "u" differently.

Interesting hospital. When a patient codes, they come in, see the patient is dead, and then leave the room so that the family can spend time writing stuff on the white board while the staff is out doing whatever. Either that or they take the body out and the family just hangs out in the empty room to do whatever.

[druidity33]

60. Hospitals nowadays...

are extremely short staffed. Caregivers are burnt out. Maybe the family members asked for time alone and the nurse allowed it? Maybe the OP comes from a FB post that they were unsure whether to include the name on? Maybe this nurse/Dr doesn't want to be outed, just wants to vent frustration? This doesn't feel like a scam to me...

[packman]

64. Hmm- 14 posts on questioning the original post

Quite a skeptic - Bordering on troll territory. Why such a hard-on to prove it other than an original, authentic post?

[Effete Snob]

68. I like to know about things posted on social media

Had some spare time to dig into this one.

Would you mind telling us where it came from? I've been looking for it, but don't have accounts on many social media systems other than Twitter.

Is it that much of an imposition for you to simply say where it came from?

[packman]

72. Yep-

[BlackSkimmer]

70. There've been a few of these things that have been debunked.

I find it difficult to believe also.

[Ms. Toad]

82. Hardly troll territory

You post a picture of an image with a phone extension that matches one in an advertising flyer for the whiteboard.
No indication of where the image came from.
There are some electronic changes made to the image.

Way too many - even on DU - repeat alternative facts as true simply because they confirm our biases. That makes us no better than the folks on the other side of the aisle.

[lostnfound]

90. Because there's flamebait everywhere and a lot of it is generated by troll farms

The whole world is getting divided by Russian (？ troll farms. The right wing base is gullible and latches on to everything that fits their world view. The left wing is not as easy to dupe. This looks like a meme, and was originally posted on Reddit and/or 4chan.

Where did it come from? That’s all.

[LiberatedUSA]

62. That is insane.

If this is an accurate summary of the average anti-vaxxer, then these people are dangerously unstable.

[Emile]

71. Fascist assholes blame everyone!

[Sympthsical]

75. Yeah, not believing this one

Convenient that all the identifying names were erased when "Fuck You" would've been written over them.

Can we stop believing everything posted on social media when it's something we want to be true?

Cool story, though.

[BlackSkimmer]

76. Thank you.

Smh.

[Ms. Toad]

80. Yup.

Reverse image search turns up nothing.
Text search turns up nothing (aside from DU post)
Extension on board is from advertising book for the whiteboards.

[Raine]

88. Totally agree, this one smells like 💩 nt

[Hav]

92. When the OP doesn't even want to answer

where this was found, then it should be treated as bs and removed until better sources than Reddit (helpfully provided by another DUer) are presented.

[bdamomma]

83. Well

if those family members occupy a bed, no heroic measures should be initiated. Bastards.