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LaMouffette

(2,022 posts)
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 01:17 PM Jan 2022

WWRD (What Would Republicans Do) about the Electoral College if it put them at a disadvantage?

Probably something technically legal, but a complete affront to the spirit of democracy, because that's who they are and that's what they do.

So let's not do that. But we need to do something to abolish, or do an end run around, the Electoral College. Something that is not only legal and democratic, but POSSIBLE. We have to do something that does not entail amending the Constitution. That would be impossible, given the fact that Republicans and Republican-controlled state legislatures think the Electoral College works just fine the way it is right now, thank you very much!

Here are just a couple of ideas described in a Brookings Institute article from December 2020. It's a long article, but worth the read. Here is the link:

[link:https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/12/09/how-to-get-rid-of-the-electoral-college/|

And an excerpt:

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

". . . A constitutional amendment is not the only means by which an alternative to the current Electoral College can be implemented. The most popular alternative is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC). Started in the mid-2000s, the NPVIC is a fairly straightforward system that capitalizes on the constitutional guarantee that states are free to determine the manner in which they award their electoral votes. The compact requires states to pass laws that would award their electoral votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote nationally. Under the current plan, states that join will not activate the compact until enough states have joined to total 270 electoral votes. That is, the compact does not go into effect until there is a critical mass of states for it to be effective.

Currently, 15 states and DC have approved the NPVIC. These states currently total 196 electoral votes, although after the 2020 census is completed, projections suggest a net loss of two seats, lowering that number to 194. Each of those states has Democratic control of the state legislature. If the remaining states with Democratic control of the legislature (Maine, Nevada, and Virginia) were to sign on, it would add an additional 23 Electoral College votes.[2] The compact would then be 43 Electoral College votes short of going into effect. It should be noted, there is debate about the permissibility of such a proposal and its going into effect would likely face a flurry of lawsuits. Nonetheless, it is likely the most viable alternative to the current Electoral College system.

Alternatives to winner-take-all

As discussed above, the only practical way of ending the Electoral College is by changing the ways in which states use the popular vote to award electors to the presidential candidates. In addition to the NPVIC discussed above, there are two variations on this theme that could reduce the odds that someone could win the presidency without winning the national popular vote.

In the first instance, states could decide to award 2 Electoral College votes (EVs) to the winner of the national popular vote (NPV) and the remainder to the winner of the state. That means that the national winner would start out with 102 Electoral College votes. In most cases this should prevent the popular vote loser from becoming president. For instance, if a hotly contested state like Wisconsin broke for the candidate who lost the popular vote, eight of its ten electoral votes would be added to their tally. The following table shows how this would have changed the outcome in the two contested elections of the 21st century and includes 2004 for comparison.
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Walleye

(31,002 posts)
1. I still remember the night of the Bush Gore election
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 01:20 PM
Jan 2022

I was covering a cocktail party for the Republicans and chatting with a woman who said I think the winner of the popular vote should get the presidency, when they still thought bush would win the popular vote. I said, well you wouldn’t say that if he lost the popular vote and won the electoral,and she said, oh yes you’re right, laughing. She didn’t hesitate for a second to flip-flop

LaMouffette

(2,022 posts)
3. Hypocrisy, thy name is the Republican Party. Upon further googling, I found an article called
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 01:31 PM
Jan 2022

"The Fatally Flawed National Popular Vote Plan," by the CATO Institute, which pointed out that Republican states have already figured out ways to thwart such a plan:

The Compact’s language simply assumes the existence of a traditional popular vote total in each state but it provides no details on how that is to be ascertained. This hasn’t gone unnoticed by opponents. It opens the door for a state to throw a wrench in the works by adopting alternative methods for choosing their electors, methods which are not conducive to producing an unambiguous national popular vote total.

Republicans state legislators, who mostly oppose using the national popular vote, have already figured that out. In North Dakota, the Republican‐​controlled state senate passed a bill saying their state will withhold its popular vote totals for president until after the Electoral College has voted in December. Instead, the state would only publish the rough percentages. This is deliberately aimed at making it impossible to properly calculate the national popular vote total in time to award electors on that basis. Similar bills have been introduced in other states.


[link:https://www.cato.org/blog/fatally-flawed-national-popular-vote-plan|

But I refuse to believe that we can do nothing about the unfairness of the Electoral College.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
7. I can't look it up right now, but the Boston Globe reported on the plan a few weeks before...
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 01:38 PM
Jan 2022

...the 2000 election. There are definitely other places online that refer back to those reports.

LaMouffette

(2,022 posts)
5. Probably so! But I think this could be a rallying point for Democrats. With their attachment to the
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 01:35 PM
Jan 2022

Electoral College, Republicans show that they absolutely, positively are NOT willing to play on a level playing field.

We could use this issue as a way to brand them as the cheaters they are.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,962 posts)
8. You know damn well
Mon Jan 3, 2022, 01:55 PM
Jan 2022

that they would abolish it in a heartbeat. it's what they do when things don't benefit them. Dems play by the rules. GOPers don't.

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