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cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 08:26 PM Jan 2022

School banned Jingle Bells due to racism concerns

https://rochesterbeacon.com/2021/12/23/jingle-all-the-way-maybe-not/

“Jingle Bells,” explained Council Rock principal Matt Tappon in an email, has been replaced with other songs that don’t have “the potential to be controversial or offensive.”

Tappon and other staff confirmed by email that the decision to remove the song was based in part on information in a 2017 article written by professor Kyna Hamill, director of Boston University’s Core Curriculum. Hamill’s article is a deep dive (nearly 12,000 words including appendices and footnotes) into the origin of “Jingle Bells,” the life of its composer, James L. Pierpont, and the popularity of sleigh songs in the mid-1800s. She found documents showing that the song’s first public performance may have occurred in 1857 at a Boston minstrel show. Minstrelsy was a then-popular form of entertainment in which white actors performed in blackface.

But when told that Council Rock has removed ‘Jingle Bells” based partly on her research, Hamill responded in an email: “I am actually quite shocked the school would remove the song from the repertoire. … I, in no way, recommended that it stopped being sung by children.”

When I shared Hamill’s response with Council Rock staff, Allison Rioux, Brighton Central School District assistant superintendent for curriculum and instruction, offered a different reason for removing “Jingle Bells.” She wrote:

“Some suggest that the use of collars on slaves with bells to send an alert that they were running away is connected to the origin of the song Jingle Bells. While we are not taking a stance to whether that is true or not, we do feel strongly that this line of thinking is not in agreement with our district beliefs to value all cultures and experiences of our students.



This reminds me of the Picnic is racist lunatics or the Black Hole is racist lunatics

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy and really are looking for things to be offended by.

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School banned Jingle Bells due to racism concerns (Original Post) cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 OP
so are they gonna ban white christmas? nt msongs Jan 2022 #1
I think Parson Brown is also on the chopping block. NT cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #2
Maybe, since it was written by a Jew, kskiska Jan 2022 #36
Not down with this. There are mountains of racist situations that need action. nt Progressive Jones Jan 2022 #3
I agree rockfordfile Jan 2022 #6
Wut ColinC Jan 2022 #4
Perhaps it's the Bart Simpson version. 😀 TheBlackAdder Jan 2022 #40
Yup! smirkymonkey Jan 2022 #51
I thought this was sarcasm at first. jimfields33 Jan 2022 #5
I mean it is hardly a Grammy winning tune ColinC Jan 2022 #52
This sounds like total bullshit tenderfoot Jan 2022 #7
I think I read it was written by a pro slavery activist AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2022 #8
Thankfully, one school does not make a summer. Torchlight Jan 2022 #9
The National Anthem is off the table. Sneederbunk Jan 2022 #10
Seriously what's the problem here? They dropped a song from the playlist, so what? unblock Jan 2022 #11
They could have quietly simply not used it, and nobody would have noticed. Crunchy Frog Jan 2022 #37
We're toast if that requirement is that every left-leaning principal needs to be perfect unblock Jan 2022 #39
I'm not looking for "perfect". Just not being a complete, blithering idiot. Crunchy Frog Jan 2022 #41
Just not being a complete, blithering idiot is really the perfect bar cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #47
This is what they waste their time with 🙄 Raine Jan 2022 #12
this is absurd........ Takket Jan 2022 #13
Well... that's bonkers. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #14
Just stupid. boston bean Jan 2022 #15
This is how conservative voters are created. BannonsLiver Jan 2022 #16
Meanwhile, Oklahoma bill would allow clergy to teach Bible courses in public schools Torchlight Jan 2022 #22
Yes, they will love that. BannonsLiver Jan 2022 #27
The OK bill is fan service, and this one school is a statistical aberration Torchlight Jan 2022 #28
No, The conservatives will already vote based on the clergy shit . But those who might JI7 Jan 2022 #33
Kind of like Liberal/Progressive voters created from Book Bans and attacks on School Board Meetings tenderfoot Jan 2022 #24
Yup. nt BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #34
Yes, because schools everywhere are banning Jingle Bells kcr Jan 2022 #42
Any Democrats calling for the ban of Jingle Bells? Kingofalldems Jan 2022 #17
What are the chances that those doing the banning in this case ... Igel Jan 2022 #32
This is why Republicans get mileage complaining about "woke" behavior. brooklynite Jan 2022 #18
Because they focus on inconsequential statistical aberrations? Torchlight Jan 2022 #23
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #54
What the hell???. Initech Jan 2022 #19
I remember the DU discussions (ahem) over "niggardly" and "Black Friday." Hekate Jan 2022 #20
THIS. Sleighs, wagons, horses have worn "jingling" bells for centuries. Hortensis Jan 2022 #58
You forgot "calling a spade a spade". That caused an uproar. FSogol Jan 2022 #64
Parents are on the attack. Over anything. lindysalsagal Jan 2022 #21
No XanaDUer2 Jan 2022 #25
moranic.... bahboo Jan 2022 #26
ONE school in NY State bans 'Jingle Bells' - how this could spell trouble for Democrats next on Fox tenderfoot Jan 2022 #29
They had to do some really deep and hard research to get offended. fescuerescue Jan 2022 #30
This kinda stuff is kooky, far-leftist Jill Stein-ish territory. Not Democratic or liberal Tarc Jan 2022 #31
There's no such thing as something that doesn't have Crunchy Frog Jan 2022 #35
Honestly I run into these people all the time. cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #38
... OneGrassRoot Jan 2022 #43
This is one of the dumbest notions I've ever heard. Now we're going to be blamed not only Vinca Jan 2022 #44
This shit is why they mock us DenaliDemocrat Jan 2022 #45
This is stupid. yardwork Jan 2022 #46
this is the type of bollocks that will turn our Party into a permanent minority Celerity Jan 2022 #48
Exactly! smirkymonkey Jan 2022 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Jan 2022 #55
No it wouldn't, if J6 didn't turn the GQP into a minority then this text book edge case would not uponit7771 Jan 2022 #56
Disagree. Obviously this one thing will not, but to embrace this type Celerity Jan 2022 #57
Wait, GQP stays viable after CONTINUED text book treason but we wont be viable ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #59
embracing bollocks like banning Jingle Bells is electoral poison in reactionary America Celerity Jan 2022 #60
I think that's messaging, if we can't demonize people who are text book racist, child abusers uponit7771 Jan 2022 #61
the ones focusing on 'edge case minutia' are the anti Jingle Bells crowd Celerity Jan 2022 #62
"The whole thing is easily weaponised by the RW " because of lack of dem message mechanics !! uponit7771 Jan 2022 #63
Fucking ridiculous. 11 Bravo Jan 2022 #49
I find this completely ridiculous...all the things wrong with this world and jingle bells is the Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #50

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
36. Maybe, since it was written by a Jew,
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:31 AM
Jan 2022

Irving Berlin. In that case we'd lose other Berlin songs, like God Bless America.

ColinC

(8,280 posts)
52. I mean it is hardly a Grammy winning tune
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 09:13 PM
Jan 2022

But it's a dumb decision and will definitely spur the "liberals are canceling jingle bells" morons on full blast.

Torchlight

(3,293 posts)
9. Thankfully, one school does not make a summer.
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 08:48 PM
Jan 2022

Were this standard, I'd of course be concerned. But seeing as it's one school, well... examples are not standards.

I remember when the Seuss estate said it would stop publishing some of his works, and a few overly-zealot fans proclaimed how bad it makes everyone looks. I'd bet folding money no one remembers any names of anyone involved in that particular tempest in a teapot only six months later. And the world kept turning.

unblock

(52,126 posts)
11. Seriously what's the problem here? They dropped a song from the playlist, so what?
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 08:50 PM
Jan 2022

Sure, I agree that it's overreach to say this song is racist, so maybe it's a silly reason to drop a song from the playlist.

But on the other hand...

It's not like there's a huge shortage of christmas songs to choose from.

Besides, when a rock group stops playing a song on their tours, that's not censorship or a ban or anything like it. It's just opting to go with another song instead. It's not a big deal.

This school isn't banning people from singing jingle bells in the hallways between classes if they want.

Sheesh.

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
37. They could have quietly simply not used it, and nobody would have noticed.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:35 AM
Jan 2022

Instead they chose to go about it in such a way that it will become a massive RW cause celebre.

The way they chose to go about it will cause it to feed into the growing RW narrative in a huge way. That is what the "big deal" is.

I wouldn't be surprised if the principal turned out to be a closet trumper. Deliberately pulling off this stunt in order to fire up the right wingers.

unblock

(52,126 posts)
39. We're toast if that requirement is that every left-leaning principal needs to be perfect
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:57 AM
Jan 2022

The right wing propaganda network will *always* find some reason for outrage. They will fabricate it if need be.

When they find some such situation, we cannot let ourselves get sucked into a narrative where we or a reasonable principal did something wrong. It only plays into their hands and creates a completely unrealistic bar.

Instead, we should ignore it or laugh at the right-wingers for making a big deal out of nothing or for misunderstanding censorship.

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
41. I'm not looking for "perfect". Just not being a complete, blithering idiot.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 02:05 AM
Jan 2022

That's if he is left leaning, which I'm not at all convinced of.

At any rate, he's handed a great gift to the RW, but it will likely resonate well beyond the rabid Fox viewing types. We'll see what sort of hay they're able to make from it. No way for either of us to know in advance.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
47. Just not being a complete, blithering idiot is really the perfect bar
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:24 PM
Jan 2022

Amazing how many people in public life are incapable of clearing it.

Takket

(21,529 posts)
13. this is absurd........
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 08:59 PM
Jan 2022

even if any of that is true, and there is no concrete proof, any racist meaning behind the song was forgotten decades ago and it is what it is... a song literally about sleigh bells jingling at Christmastime.

Torchlight

(3,293 posts)
22. Meanwhile, Oklahoma bill would allow clergy to teach Bible courses in public schools
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 09:38 PM
Jan 2022

I think that has much, much more potential to create conservative voters.

BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
27. Yes, they will love that.
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 10:01 PM
Jan 2022

But it’s not stepping on a rake like jingle bells. That’s the key difference. The Oklahoma bill is fan service.

Torchlight

(3,293 posts)
28. The OK bill is fan service, and this one school is a statistical aberration
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 10:06 PM
Jan 2022

that defines nothing and no one other than that singular school district.

I think voting on a state sanctioned religion is a rake so large many willfully ignore it as such, and focus on that which has no measurable consequence.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
33. No, The conservatives will already vote based on the clergy shit . But those who might
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:07 AM
Jan 2022

not like teaching bible in classes might also be turned off by the ban on jingle bells . These are casual voters. They don't pay too close attention . They mostly vote on how they feel at the moment they are voting .

Igel

(35,282 posts)
32. What are the chances that those doing the banning in this case ...
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 11:39 PM
Jan 2022

Are (R)?

Or (G)?

Can't say for sure, but odds they did or would have (had they) voted for Biden.

Torchlight

(3,293 posts)
23. Because they focus on inconsequential statistical aberrations?
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 09:40 PM
Jan 2022

Sounds like the kind of mileage only a huckster would sign on to.

Hekate

(90,564 posts)
20. I remember the DU discussions (ahem) over "niggardly" and "Black Friday."
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 09:33 PM
Jan 2022

The first means stingy, miserly, parsimonious, ungenerous, close-fisted. True, it is archaic, but anyone who has read a novel even only 50 years old will find the word and know it from its context.
Etymology here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_niggardly

Black Friday relates to old bookkeeping terminology, it which black ink was used to signify sales and profits — and red ink was the opposite. After being “in the red” for months, companies would find themselves joyously “in the black” just before Christmas, in particular the day after Thanksgiving Thursday, when people typically jump into their Christmas shopping. On Friday. Hence Black Friday.

The “bells on slave collars” explanation is ludicrous. Sleighs had bells. There are a whole lot of songs featuring sleigh bells.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
58. THIS. Sleighs, wagons, horses have worn "jingling" bells for centuries.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 09:43 PM
Jan 2022

Good grief.

Extremism is the spiritus mundi.

FSogol

(45,452 posts)
64. You forgot "calling a spade a spade". That caused an uproar.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 10:03 AM
Jan 2022

Totally agree: "The “bells on slave collars” explanation is ludicrous."

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
21. Parents are on the attack. Over anything.
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 09:34 PM
Jan 2022

School officials bow to frightened school trustees who require re-election. Everything is politics.

tenderfoot

(8,425 posts)
29. ONE school in NY State bans 'Jingle Bells' - how this could spell trouble for Democrats next on Fox
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 11:07 PM
Jan 2022

BTW, the only publications covering this nonsense are right wing sources.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
30. They had to do some really deep and hard research to get offended.
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 11:15 PM
Jan 2022

Went back 150 years.

That's some dedication to being offended that we don't see enough of nowadays.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
31. This kinda stuff is kooky, far-leftist Jill Stein-ish territory. Not Democratic or liberal
Tue Jan 4, 2022, 11:39 PM
Jan 2022

but unfortunately we get tarred by association.

Crunchy Frog

(26,578 posts)
35. There's no such thing as something that doesn't have
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:24 AM
Jan 2022

“the potential to be controversial or offensive.”

I wonder if the principal is a stealth trumpist.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
38. Honestly I run into these people all the time.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 01:39 AM
Jan 2022

They are not Trumpests.... They are shall we say well meaning... a little too well meaning.


They are legion every time Halloween comes around, for example.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
43. ...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:55 AM
Jan 2022

at the risk of getting pounced on, may I say I run into them a lot too and they're almost always white, college-aged women. Well meaning "allies" who often create more harm than real awareness, not only with what they're attacking but how they do it. And I find it so difficult. They're LOUD and don't listen (I'm old and white). I've always spoken up and agree even little things are often steeped in the pervasive white supremacy upon which this society was founded, but still...stick with the huge, obvious battles rather than little things like Jingle Bells because, as everyone is saying, that just feeds the right-wing machine and even turns moderate voters away.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
44. This is one of the dumbest notions I've ever heard. Now we're going to be blamed not only
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:59 AM
Jan 2022

for killing Christmas, but killing Santa. Unless there is proof Santa and his reindeer are runaway slaves, they need to STFU. I'd hate to hear what they've got to say about Santa's "ho, ho, ho."

Response to Celerity (Reply #48)

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
56. No it wouldn't, if J6 didn't turn the GQP into a minority then this text book edge case would not
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 09:24 PM
Jan 2022

... and if it would then opposition party messaging is overtly dismissive.

Celerity

(43,134 posts)
57. Disagree. Obviously this one thing will not, but to embrace this type
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 09:39 PM
Jan 2022

of OTT revisionist hyper oversensitivity will alienate enough voters to make us nonviable.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
59. Wait, GQP stays viable after CONTINUED text book treason but we wont be viable ...
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 10:24 PM
Jan 2022

... if we embrace oversensitivity?

That sounds backwards or at the least at dismisive view of the electorate

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
61. I think that's messaging, if we can't demonize people who are text book racist, child abusers
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 09:32 AM
Jan 2022

... we're fucked at as a country.

Allowing any focus to be on edge case minutia is what is poison, narratives can be swayed dems have to use the tools around them to do so.

Celerity

(43,134 posts)
62. the ones focusing on 'edge case minutia' are the anti Jingle Bells crowd
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 09:56 AM
Jan 2022

The whole thing is easily weaponised by the RW to stigmatise our entire Party via disingenuous but effective broad-brush attacks.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
63. "The whole thing is easily weaponised by the RW " because of lack of dem message mechanics !!
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 10:03 AM
Jan 2022

I am going to push this as much as I can; democrats need better message mechanics so edge cause minutia like "jingle anything" doesn't get the focus saving democracy or climate change or civil rights needs.

The reason the RW can "weaponize" anything of so little consequence is our voices aren't loud enough.

There is a 1 million dollar market spend against Manchin RIGHT NOW in WV to keep him vote from voting rights!


WTF ?!

Where is ours ?!

No, democrats are NOT doing the minimum when it comes to message mechanics so of course stupid shit like "6th grade lipstick police" get 3 seconds to distract the electorate.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
49. Fucking ridiculous.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:56 PM
Jan 2022

This is the kind of bullshit that Repukes will beat us over the head with as long as we continue to provide them with such low-hanging fruit.

Demsrule86

(68,471 posts)
50. I find this completely ridiculous...all the things wrong with this world and jingle bells is the
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:50 PM
Jan 2022

issue. It is not a good look for us...and will rile up parents for no reason.

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