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Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:14 PM

Did Garland just say...?

"These acts and threats of violence are not associated with any one set of partisan or ideological views" regarding threats against Congresspeople, judges, and school boards?

You just lost me dude. One step forward, ten steps back. Every example he gave was specifically of the aberrant behavior in which Republicans/white nationalists/conservo-terrorists have felt emboldened to engage. He can't talk about getting to the root of the problem by denying the problem has a root. This guy is rudderless.

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Reply Did Garland just say...? (Original post)
BaronChocula Jan 2022 OP
PTWB Jan 2022 #1
50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2022 #2
XanaDUer2 Jan 2022 #3
leftstreet Jan 2022 #4
BlackSkimmer Jan 2022 #28
WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2022 #5
Tickle Jan 2022 #6
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #8
TheRealNorth Jan 2022 #23
DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #61
TimeToGo Jan 2022 #65
DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #73
FakeNoose Jan 2022 #7
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #9
BComplex Jan 2022 #12
FakeNoose Jan 2022 #14
Rebl2 Jan 2022 #71
PunkinPi Jan 2022 #79
ShazamIam Jan 2022 #10
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #21
Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #27
ShazamIam Jan 2022 #48
agingdem Jan 2022 #11
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2022 #13
crickets Jan 2022 #26
agingdem Jan 2022 #31
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #24
ShazamIam Jan 2022 #32
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2022 #42
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #45
ShazamIam Jan 2022 #47
ShazamIam Jan 2022 #78
lindysalsagal Jan 2022 #56
budkin Jan 2022 #15
crickets Jan 2022 #16
Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #20
LymphocyteLover Jan 2022 #52
Pantagruel Jan 2022 #17
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #29
fwvinson Jan 2022 #75
Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #18
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #33
Emile Jan 2022 #19
Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #22
Hortensis Jan 2022 #35
Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #37
Hortensis Jan 2022 #41
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2022 #62
Hortensis Jan 2022 #67
durablend Jan 2022 #40
Hortensis Jan 2022 #44
JustAnotherGen Jan 2022 #64
Hortensis Jan 2022 #72
progressoid Jan 2022 #74
Oneironaut Jan 2022 #25
Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #30
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #34
Oneironaut Jan 2022 #43
IbogaProject Jan 2022 #36
Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #38
haele Jan 2022 #39
BaronChocula Jan 2022 #57
Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #46
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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:15 PM

1. Incredible.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:16 PM

2. He must be a Chuck Todd fan!

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:16 PM

3. Yes

Some guy on CNN called that out

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:17 PM

4. Holy crap

both sides do it!!!!1111

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:38 PM

28. Yes indeed.

Sorry, I watched part of it, and he just looked out of it.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:18 PM

5. lol yep

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:19 PM

6. It was an

insurrection! Why didn’t he call it that

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Response to Tickle (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:22 PM

8. God forbid you piss off angry Trumpers

when you can engage in a fruitless attempt to "win them back."

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:33 PM

23. Exactly

I thought that it was pointless pandering to appear "neutral"

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:12 PM

61. I agree with you

and not a number of agitated DUers posting.

He must have the appearance of being un-biased in his search for the truth. There is much time later for direct attacks on individuals with massive evidence of their crimes. It serves no purpose to put the Republicans on defense from the start.........

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Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #61)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:39 PM

65. Also, he is the AG

He isn't the enforcer for the party. Now, that said, there's still no reason to even suggest both sides.

The proof will be in what happens next. Are they being methodical, or are they dragging their feet.

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Response to TimeToGo (Reply #65)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:07 PM

73. Agreed

The proof is in the pudding, as the old adage says.........

I really enjoyed his bringing up the supreme court 2013 decision, and all the chipping away that they have done to voting rights since then...........

No wonder Moscow Mitch was frightened about Obama appointing him to the Supreme Court.

I just hope that we don't get yet another milk toast and white washed like with Mueller.........

It has now already dragged on a full year, and the 2022 election is now down to 10 months and closing fast........

There are still 70 million who are confident they won't make the same mistakes they made on 1/6 the next time...............
and regretfully will probably also target state capitols as well this time around..........

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:20 PM

7. He's probably getting a phone call from the White House right about now

...

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:23 PM

9. Vice President Harris should have written his speech.

Hell! Vice President Harris should have been appointed AG!

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:26 PM

12. True that!

She would have kicked some serious ass on these insurrectionists. AND their leaders!

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:27 PM

14. I know, I wanted her for Attorney General too

What a waste of excellent prosecutorial skills.

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:04 PM

71. That's what I think

She would have been a better ag than garland

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:09 AM

79. No, "VP Harris should have been appointed AG," that would've been a demotion from being a senator.

She's exactly where she needs to be and I'm grateful that she is.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:24 PM

10. I disagree, He said, We don't care if the threat is made by a liberal or a conservative, all threats

and acts of violence will be prosecuted.

Why did that lose you?

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:31 PM

21. He said verbatim what I quoted in my post.

What bothers me is that the trend of political violence is NOT emerging on both sides. The same anger, resentment and hostility that backed the Trump presidency is the same anger, resentment, and hostility fueling the threats of political violence and ACTUAL political violence. There is no progressive equivalent of Qanon, Proud Boys, anti-government militia and on and on. Those are the facts. To whitewash the relationship between "conservative" anger and heightened states of alert bothers the shit out of me.

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:38 PM

27. he essentially equated BLM protests with violent storming of Capitol.

You can try to interpret it.

But someone should have stopped him from making that statement about "political violence on both sides"

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:07 PM

48. He didn't say that, that is how you heard it. I don't like it but understand why he had to say it.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:24 PM

11. the DOJ has to appear unbiased...

I suppose that derails any exploding heads screaming "what about blah blah blah..." I take comfort in the fact that the DOJ is, in fact, investigating 1/6...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:27 PM

13. I initially cringed (exploded), but then realized if anyone has to thread that needle...

It's the DOJ. I know he doesn't believe it for a minute.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:37 PM

26. Agreed, and that's a good way of putting it. nt

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:39 PM

31. not one second of it...

he's letting the loathsome Jordan/Gosar/McCarthy et al know his DOJ is not "working" for Biden..so they can STFU about left wing bias...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:34 PM

24. He could have said nothing about political ideology

Instead of lying and saying there was no ideological association with the violence and threats of violence. He lied. You don't have to lie to appear unbiased.

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:39 PM

32. He had to address it since conservatives and their media have publicly claimed

his announcement to punish those who threaten public officials was a violation of their free speech.

He covered both the free speech lie and the partisan witch hunt claim.

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:53 PM

42. I agree.

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:00 PM

45. It's not his job to placate weasely pro-violence white nationalists.

His job is to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:05 PM

47. That is how you see it, you wanted a more divisive partisan kind of statement. I think he made it

perfectly clear they are on the hunt for the Jan 6ers and those who threaten public officials.

He has to address the existing set of beliefs, now it is up to the news people to parse that statement,
He didn't give them the chance to claim it is a partisan witch hunt targeting only conservatives.

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #45)

Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:01 AM

78. I think the DOJ is focused on Federal & Congressional law and regulations, the Supreme Court makes

the decision about the Constitutional status of the laws the DOJ enforces.

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Response to agingdem (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:55 PM

56. Yup. Individual responsibility, rather than group excuses.

It was an attempt to get these morons to remember that they are not allowed to follow nutjobs without consequences.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:27 PM

15. Ugh

Terrible

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:28 PM

16. That was the one clunker in the speech.

It was aimed at quelling shouts of partisanship aimed at him and the DOJ, but it's a shame he felt he had to say it that way. The threats and violence were from one partisan group only, and he knows it. We all do.

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Response to crickets (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:31 PM

20. yeah, and it's blowing up on twitter already


Good solid Dems are not receiving this well.

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Response to crickets (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:44 PM

52. Yes, because otherwise it seemed like he was spot on. I guess he was really trying to hit the sweet

spot of bipartisanship.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:28 PM

17. As you cited

the threats come from various groups, "Republicans/white nationalists/conservo-terrorists "and more, and MG is correct and fair in his account. Our impatience here at DU was not pandered to , MG simply gave an update on a huge, ONGOING legal undertaking. I think his hand on the rudder is quite steady, veering off in partisan pursuits will not serve justice.

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Response to Pantagruel (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:38 PM

29. He didn't have to lie.

Those examples of upticks in threats of violence ARE COMPLETELY associated with one "ideology." He didn't have to mention an ideological association at all. That would have been better than lying.

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Response to BaronChocula (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:11 PM

75. On this site, if I said something threatening or extremely violent, I would expect a

 

call from the FBI.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:29 PM

18. I was astonished to hear the "both siderism" re: "political violence on both sides."

What the hell?

Is he equating BLM protests with the violent attack on the Capitol?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:40 PM

33. He might as well have gone full out with that comparison

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:29 PM

19. Yes, he went there! Sickening

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:32 PM

22. from Thom Hartmann

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:42 PM

35. Posting RT's Hartmann to claim political dishonesty?!

That's classic.

He spoke the simple truth about the domestic extremists being investigated by the thousands across the nation. They are NOT all trumpists or Republicans. A large majority are RW, but not all. Some are LW extremists.

Did Hartmann mention that? Straight to the trash.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:46 PM

37. just get over it.

These old DU feuds are dead and gone.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:52 PM

41. But Hartmann isn't. Neither are the Russians, the Republican

traitors, LW subversives, useful idiots and agents of all types who could still destroy our democracy.

Not at least questioning Hartmann's agenda over all these years, and examining the crowd drawn to his messaging, is...failing in due diligence.

Why not read what's been learned about those spoken of?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #41)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:16 PM

62. You are equating Thom with all those other groups????

Unbelievable. Thom has done MORE for democracy than 99.9% of ALL Americans. Shame on you. It has earned you a mute. Goodbye.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #62)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:48 PM

67. I'm grouping him with all those who helped sabotage Democrats

while pretending the choice wasn't between Democrats and Republicans during a critical national election. The different reasons they had don't even particularly matter, from the highest ideals to the wickedest plotting, when discussing them as a group, only that they did it and who they knowingly did it with.

Including RT agent Hartmann, who claimed to be progressive while knowing that Russia was using the progressive movement to destroy America by destroying liberal progressive government.

Everyone knew it. Not cool at all.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:52 PM

40. And you know what happens now?

GQP: "SEE? Even Garland says Antifa was at the Capitol!!!!!"

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Response to durablend (Reply #40)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:56 PM

44. :) Right. Just more proof that we can't stop the idiocy of OTHERS,

but we are fully responsible for our own choices, however.

Spreading deceits is really, really, REALLY bad. Not exactly the kind of behavior meant when Biden talks about bringing the left and right together on common ground.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:38 PM

64. Yeah - I listened and I'm reading the transcript

Searched the one word *one* and *party*

These acts and threats of violence are not associated with any one set of partisan or ideological views.


The central norm is that, in our criminal investigations, there cannot be different rules depending on one’s political party or affiliation. There cannot be different rules for friends and foes. And there cannot be different rules for the powerful and the powerless.

There is only one rule: we follow the facts and enforce the law in a way that respects the Constitution and protects civil liberties.

We conduct every investigation guided by the same norms. And we adhere to those norms even when, and especially when, the circumstances we face are not normal.


I guess I didn't hear or read the same thing Hartmann did?

And Garland is right - just look at the number of groups involved in 1/6.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #64)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:04 PM

72. ...

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #64)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:08 PM

74. Those number of groups involved in 1/6 had one common denominator...

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:36 PM

25. Garland - "Hitler and the Allies need to knock it off. This has nothing to do with politics."

“The Holocaust wasn’t related to either side, and there are bad people on both sides!”

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Response to Oneironaut (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:39 PM

30. you nailed it

This is a "bad people on both sides" comment.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:42 PM

34. and of course...

"Some very fine people, on both sides."

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:53 PM

43. "How do we know Antifa wuzn't at teh Capital as well?!!1!"

What frustrates me the most about these people is that they’re purposely acting as if the US Capitol attack, the school boards chaos, etc. are / were either not politically motivated, or, the fault of Democrats as well because of the toxic atmosphere in politics now. They’re trying to extend an olive branch to Conservatives by pretending that “Liberals do it too!” which is incredibly frustrating and spineless.

Good Lord. Just say it as it is - Pro-Trump protestors attacked the US Capitol with the intent of stopping the certification of a candidate they didn’t like, and they were told to do so by Trump and his cronies. The school board stuff and threats are coming straight from right wing hate speech, or encouragement from people like Tucker Carlson. I can’t believe the amount of mental hoops people are jumping through when making statements like Garland’s. It annoys the absolute shit out of me.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:45 PM

36. No he is being consistent

One of the Reich Wing's 'what abouts?' was in relation to the protestors who attacked the federal courthouse in portland summer of 2020, but that was at night when most of the staff weren't there, so some of those who plead to that got comparably light sentences as opposed to the consodial, prison time some of the Jan 6 have gotten so far. He's just saying it isn't about their politics that day it's that they invaded the capitol, did violence and destruction. He is saying he prosecute violent leftists too, if it came to that.

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Response to IbogaProject (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:47 PM

38. that's not what he said. nt

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 04:50 PM

39. He's technically right. One doesn't need to be a Republican to be a White Nationalist.

Or a Dominionist. Or an anti-government radical. Or a Trump voter. The root cause to participate can be based off several different political, racist, or religious stances depending on the individual participant. After all, how many people "held their noses" to vote for a specific candidate based on a left/right, religious, or radical/pragmatic reason?
I think he's talking very carefully so as not to muddy his investigation politically

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:58 PM

57. The republican party is the political arm of the white nationalist movement.

That's why Republicans defend white nationalists as "patriots," "very fine people," or "Real Americans." The only Republicans disliked by white nationalists are those who aren't white nationalist enough.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:04 PM

46. Anybody surprised.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:22 PM

49. He's blunting the "political persecution" tact they are piling on with. Nt

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:34 PM

50. You think the guy who threatened the judge in NJ was a Trumper?

The passage starts at 13:50:

LISTEN THIS TIME:



He refers to this case in particular:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/new-jersey-man-arrested-threatening-kill-federal-judge-2021-11-04/



Nov 4 (Reuters) - A New Jersey man has been arrested and charged with threatening to assault and murder a federal judge who was overseeing a lawsuit he had filed, including by telling one of his clerks that he would "put a bullet in the judge's brain."

Federal prosecutors announced the charges against Jonathan Williams, 46, late Wednesday at a time of heightened concern for judges' safety after a disgruntled attorney last year shot and killed the son of U.S. District Judge Esther Salas in New Jersey and wounded her husband.


That had nothing to do with political orientation.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #50)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:55 PM

55. Guess that's the same as

"someone" wanting Pence hung or Pelosi killed or police killed or...!

Shows how bad "both sides are" even if one side does nothing.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:43 PM

51. There have been a few incidents from the left

I have no problem with what AG Garland said. It's unfair and counterproductive to misrepresent his words and the facts.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:46 PM

53. I didn't hear bothsiderism. I heard: "If you think terrorists are all brown & black & non-Christian.

I didn't hear bothsiderism. I heard: "If you think terrorists are all brown & black & non-Christian...

…I have news for you.”

Why can't other people hear that, too?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #53)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:02 PM

58. +1000

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Response to Hekate (Reply #53)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:21 PM

77. Because people frequently hear what they want to hear

I believe it's referred to as confirmation bias.

I did not hear anything remotely similar to 'bothsiderism.' What I did hear was a man committed to following the facts and the law, someone who (along with his large legal team) will relentlessly pursue responsible parties at all levels involved in the January 6th insurrection/sedition, present or not.

He was never going to tip his hand in an ongoing investigation. I was happy he expanded his comments to include serious voter suppression efforts.

It was a good presentation.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 05:49 PM

54. I have not heard it but from your quote I think that he does not want it

to be viewed as "Democratic action" but as a Constitutional one.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:03 PM

59. Bothsiderist Garland. Unbelievable.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:08 PM

60. It was a very good move

Although the usual subjects will say otherwise, claiming you are going to prosecute all the Democrats who tried to turn America into a totalitarian dictatorship a year ago keeps this from looking like a witch hunt.

The list of Democrats that worked to do this is shorter than Trump’s penis, but we’re gonna haul them all in, just wait and see!

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:19 PM

63. He is absolutely right!

Did these threats begin a year ago? Or with Trump's inauguration? Or even with the founding of the Republican Party?

Unless you take a ridiculously narrow view of history, violence against law enforcement, or the lawmakers, or judges, or school board members have never been the exclusive domain of one party or one ideology. From the Klan, to Abolitionists, to Weather Underground, to sovereign militia, to religious zealots of all sorts; from Southern Democrats, to Anarchists, to Independents, to Libertarians, to Republicans, violence has been a thing.

I can't imagine a halfass responsible AG taking a different stance. And as far as administration of justice is concerned, I pity those Americans who are looking forward to ideology or politics to be a consideration in prosecuting crimes.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:39 PM

66. Interpretation of the spoken word NEVER fails to amaze me.

I thought AG Garland was clear that justice will be served and that no one is above the law. That’s good enough for me.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:57 PM

70. Amazing interpretations of an easily understood statement.

Garland was perfectly clear in what he said.
Why are there so many twisting his words to give them such a meaning? This is DU, where we tend to be better at this!

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:51 PM

68. Emphasis on...

the ONE. There are multiple partisan views: white supremacists, pro-life, libertarians, Evangelicals, etc.

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:52 PM

69. I hope he didn't get into the ol "there are good people on both sides" bullshit but lets hope he's

just trying hard to act unbiased

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Response to BaronChocula (Original post)

Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:11 PM

76. Sean Hannity will love that statement. He's always going on about the Antifa and BLM "rioters"

Fuck that shit.

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