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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGood Job, AG Garland!
That was a very good presentation, and it covered a lot of ground. Expectedly, he did not name names, but made it clear that they are going to go after anyone at any level, wherever there is evidence.
I'm very encouraged by his remarks. He's staying within the boundaries of not specifically naming anyone or divulging what investigations are producing in terms of evidence. He really has to stay within those boundaries.
However, this is not a wishy-washy Attorney General. That seems clear to me.
He is just flat doing his job. The problem is that many people don't understand his job very well.
He's on this!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... because like in the move DLU the Down lookers aren't showed national news related to the J6 terrorist attack.
Minimum we have a level ground and we can look forward to harsher sentences for J6 idiots who aren't coming forward.
FAUX news spent 2 mins on comments that mostly nicked picks and that's about it.
Garland did a good job, I do disagree with the "no political affiliation" part
Budi
(15,325 posts)But political affiliation isn't what he's after, just the crime committed.
Just cuz one has an R or D or I or L or any other political affiliation of endorsement, or perhaps a foreign citizen, is beyond the point.
The coincidence is that the Majority align with R's. But they aren't the sole perps. And that's why he left that door closed.
I would like to hear him rattle off a list of politically endorsed perps but that's probably irrelevant to his job.
Totally agree with your post...just offering perspective as to the last line.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... amplitude and frequency of threats on purpose to stay non partisan.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Keep the partisan out because you know they'd challenge his eventual findings on that one bit.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)on who you are.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)And we know who the bad guys are. So do Garland and the DOJ.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,783 posts)Which has to have specific Republicans on edge as the Jan.6th Committee continue to do its work, hold public hearings, then submit their report to the DOJ.
Methinks there will be a lot of screaming taking place when it comes to pass that group of Republican lawmakers and Trump Administration members could be hit with Criminal indictments for their part in this coup attempt against the Constitution of the US and of Democracy itself.
This is WORSE than Watergate and a BFD!
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)It's 2022. Watch for more. Much more to come. This is just the opening skit.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Looks like that perked their dog ears a little, maybe they see that as going against them later this year.
fwvinson
(488 posts)ShazzieB
(16,370 posts)No two ways about it!
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)and by stature, I mean his decades of judicial service in the nation's capitol, just a step or two below SCOTUS level. An AG 20 years younger would not have as much clout, nor would an AG who had been a state's AG or a federal prosecutor. Garland was a very well thought out selection for AG. Joe's using his extensive contacts to the max.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)He holds his cards close to his chest, but plays them expertly. Only the truly impatient will think he did a bad job with this speech. It was exactly on point for where things are going.
Biden's going after Trump tomorrow in his speech. Watch!
Things are accelerating.
ShazzieB
(16,370 posts)"Only the truly impatient will think he did a bad job with this speech."
I agree. I just wish there weren't so many of those "truly impatient" people here at DU.
The first OP about Garland's speech that I happened to read was sprinkled with posts from naysayers who seemed to think he said nothing of importance and reiterated the same old tired refrains if negativity that we've heard so many times before. I honestly believe that some of them wouldn't have been satisfied unless Garland had made his entrance accompanied by FBI agents marching Trump out there in shackles and chains! (And some of them would have found a way to wave even that away.)
Those comments drive me crazy, and I can't quite figure out why. All I know is that I'm sick of people who rush in to every post about a positive development to rain all over the parade before it even gets started. It just seems ... mean spirited, somehow..
People absolutely have a right to their opinions, whatever they may be. I just don't understand the compulsion to throw a bucket of ice water over ever single post voicing a positive or hopeful opinion.
Budi
(15,325 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,810 posts)why Mitch and the Republican Politicians successfully thwarted him becoming a Supreme Court Justice....
He appeared as brilliant in his speaking..............
2Gingersnaps
(1,000 posts)so he knows a thing or two about prosecuting terrorists.
Botany
(70,490 posts).... a slap on the wrist got those slaps in exchange for their cooperation about the 1/6/21 and who
organized it.
Merrick Garland: "The actions we have taken thus far will not be our last"
"The actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. The Justice Department remains committed to holding all January 6 perpetrators -- at any level -- accountable under law, whether they were present that day, or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. We will follow the facts wherever they lead."
"Courts have imposed shorter sentences before they might have to impose longer sentences."
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Get the little guys first and get them talking. The oldest strategy in the book for organized criminals, which is just what the MAGATs are.
Botany
(70,490 posts)... the DoJ would look at that evidence. And all those phone records, meetings, and payments
look like they could be part of RICO and/or conspiracy charges.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)That with any particular individual they might start with a minor charge and add more charges later as the investigation goes on.
George II
(67,782 posts)I personally thought he might have gone a little bit further, but not disappointed that he didn't. Hopefully he satisfied many of his critics.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)We may hear something from Joe Biden tomorrow about TFG.
However, we are going to still hear from skeptics on this. We always do, for whatever reason...
PTWB
(4,131 posts)The briefing was good. It could have been better and could have gone further. But it was good.
The problem that Garland has is this case is not a who dunnit. It isnt a mystery. The whole world watched Trump incite the riot in real time. We saw it with our own eyes and we heard it with our own ears.
Until Trump is brought to justice there isnt anything Garland can say or do that will suffice. Thats just the reality of the situation.
Prosecuting hundreds of MAGA maggots is all fine and good but if we let their king escape justice then weve failed.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,343 posts)which may yet put him behind bars... his odds of escaping them all are not that good...
I am reassured that the leadership of the US Justice Department will do their best to live up to their name.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)Patton French
(754 posts)Harker
(14,012 posts)A simple status report and there was nothing he said that could be latched onto as partisan without the application of tremendous torque.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,412 posts)LaMouffette
(2,023 posts)and sincerity, unlike Bill "Should've-Been-Dis-" Barr"ed."
Ohio Joe
(21,752 posts)Well done speech
doc03
(35,325 posts)gave him a bad rap. Sounds like he will prosecute anyone involved even the Loser if he has the evidence.
I guess these things take time.
Mickju
(1,803 posts)I have been extremely concerned that little to nothing was going on at the Justice Department. I don't feel that way now.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)Anyone who conspired to create the insurrection, and he included people who didn't actually participate.
I think some may go by the low-key tone of his presentation instead of the words.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)Some of the language he used has pretty specific legal meaning, and were not chosen at random.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)yes indeed
rgbecker
(4,826 posts)Did not hold back.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)That was excellent.
Overall, I thought it was great in how it addressed both major issues (the insurrection and voter suppression) as part of a greater whole.
spanone
(135,823 posts)Kudos AG Garland
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Response to MineralMan (Original post)
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dlk
(11,552 posts)After prosecuting the Oklahoma City bombing case, he knows all too well the high cost of domestic terrorism and treason. We are in good hands.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)to catch any info yet. I appreciate the good report!
Goodheart
(5,321 posts)If not, I still find the man very lacking in performance.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Do so, and then be specific.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)and his minions will go to jail...that will deter future minions from breaking the law. I do not believe a jury will convict Trump...always a MAGAT will find a way on the jury. And knowing and proving are two different things...but Trump is no longer president and that makes me happy knowing how miserable that makes him.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)sellitman
(11,606 posts)I think not.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)The Justice Department has to remain non-partisan. Trump did a really bad thing with his interference.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)
afterwards.
Chuck Rosenberg (sometimes referred to as Smilin Chuck because he never does) was satisfied so thats good enough for me.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)Garland said what he had to say; give me more time.
The worst thing that happened on 1/6, what we should be worried about, is that a group of people plotted to overthrow our government and Merrick Garland said he is investigating the people who invaded the Capitol, he did not say he is investigating the people who planned the coup, he said he will follow the facts which may lead to people in upper levels.
Today marks 3 weeks since the select committee sent a criminal referral to Garland for Mark Meadows, if Garland is following the facts we should be hearing about a Mark Meadows indictment shortly. Meadows is the only coup plotter that I am aware of who is under investigation and the select committee pushed it.
ShazzieB
(16,370 posts)Merrick Garland: "The actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. The Justice Department remains committed to holding all January 6 perpetrators -- at any level -- accountable under law, whether they were present that day, or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. We will follow the facts wherever they lead."
Please note the part about "holding all January 6 perpetrators -- at any level -- accountable under law."
Following the facts where they lead is where it all starts. That's how they get the evidence that is needed to hold the aforementioned perpetrators accountable.
You wrote: "Meadows is the only coup plotter that I am aware of who is under investigation and the select committee pushed it."
The key phrase here is "that I am aware of." I dont know which coup plotters are under investigation, or to what extent, and I'm pretty sure you don't know, either. What you or I are "aware of" is just the tip of what I am sure is an enormous iceberg that we know very, very little about.
Alien Life Form
(370 posts)I wonder what FOX news liars will say...??
people
(624 posts)I thought he was phenomenal. He made it clear he isn't just going after the violent people who were inside the capitol that day. His description of the violence happening now at all levels of our society now was chilling.
llashram
(6,265 posts)onetexan
(13,036 posts)bluestarone
(16,906 posts)I 100% honestly believe that the AG. will be FULL STEAM ahead where ever the evidence takes us! I also believe that the Jan. 6th. committee will have his full support! NOBODY will be above the law!! I'm very comfortable with him.
Stuart G
(38,419 posts)So, Garland will take the time to do it right and convict ...without successful appeals
To do investigations and convictions takes time...lots of time
and Garland is not new.......he has seen a whole lot.........from Wikepedia:
Merrick Brian Garland is an American attorney and jurist serving as the 86th United States attorney general since March 2021. He served as a circuit judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit from 1997 to 2021. ...........
more info on Merick Garland:
Merrick Brian Garland (born November 13, 1952) is an American attorney and jurist serving as the 86th United States attorney general since March 2021. He served as a circuit judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit from 1997 to 2021..............................more information below, also.. from Wikepedia:
A native of the Chicago area, Garland attended Harvard University for his undergraduate and legal education. After serving as a law clerk to Judge Henry J. Friendly of the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan Jr., he practiced corporate litigation at Arnold & Porter and worked as a federal prosecutor in the Department of Justice, where he played a leading role in the investigation and prosecution of the Oklahoma City bombers.
President Barack Obama, a Democrat, nominated Garland to serve as an associate justice of the Supreme Court in March 2016 to fill the vacancy created by the death of Antonin Scalia. However, the Republican Senate majority refused to hold a hearing or vote on his nomination. The unprecedented refusal of a Senate majority to consider the nomination was highly controversial. Garland's nomination lasted 293 days (the longest to date by far), and it expired on January 3, 2017, at the end of the 114th Congress. Eventually, President Donald Trump, a Republican, nominated and appointed Neil Gorsuch to the vacant seat.
President Joe Biden nominated Garland as Attorney General in January 2021. He was confirmed by the United States Senate in March.
Two questions only..............................................................................................................
Do you think this guy will prosecute the bad guys?.. . .Any Experience?...
Please consider these two questions..about capability & experience..
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,130 posts)relayerbob
(6,544 posts)People have gotten so conditioned to the low class, screaming, threatening, posturing, manipulative bullshit of the Trump administration that they think that is normal. It. Is. Not.
We must abide by the rule of law, even if the other side doesn't. Do I wish things would happen faster? Of course, but not at the expense of having the whole thing thorwn out in court due to a rush to judgement and mistakes being made. Get the evidence, completely encircle the leadership of the coup and insurgent war (that's really what is happening, think Northern Ireland) and when the case is rock solid and the House has made the main issues public..... checkmate. Don't tell the other side what you have in store, or let them know who or what you are specifically doing. Let them do what they are doing .... digging their own graves with their own interviews, while getting things in order. I expect we're going to see action relatively soon, and when the dominoes start falling, it will happen fast.
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)I just blocked someone I think is either hysterical or a instigator plant, and I'd bet on the latter. Another is on the bubble. So many are going above and beyond to take things out of context and create fear and anger, it's very distressing.
This post and the thread that follows is encouraging.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,416 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Their own impatience and lack of understanding is not a good enough reason for continually shitting on the Garland and the Biden administration.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)add some reason to the discussion. I think there is a mix of people not truly understanding the situation and a few people who are deliberately trying to stir up conflict for whatever reasons they might have.
It can be difficult to tell the difference, of course. A pity.