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Thu Jan 6, 2022, 04:16 AM Jan 2022

"was donnie involved" and "was it a coup?" yet again, the media treats us to ridiculous debates

these questions are transparently idiotic "debates" that only serve the interest of the right wing.

they amount to gaslighting by even raising the possibility that maybe we shouldn't believe our own eyes and what it patently obvious.

donnie spent all his time catapulting the propaganda that the election was stolen from him, organized a rally on january 6, told the crowd to go the congress and "stop the steal".

of course he was involved and of course it was a coup attempt.

how on earth are these even questions?

because time and time again, the media treats us to utter nonsense questions whenever the right wing needs to avoid the real issue at hand. here, they can delay or avoid accountability for their treason and betrayal of the constitution and democracy by pretending that it's murky as to whether or not anything wrong even happened. obviously that's a big steaming pill of elephant manure, but the media eagerly shovels that shit and presents it as a serious debate because, hey, we can't have republicans being held accountable. that's just something the media doesn't do, pretty much ever, post-watergate.


same story with black lives matter. a serious issue is how to deal with a police that systematically and disproportionately puts black people at a disadvantage in ever aspect of their interactions with them, including with violent and lethal outcomes. that's a tough debate and a tough policy question, how to reform the police so we can preserve the good aspects of law enforcement while ridding it of inappropriate violence towards the parts of the public they are supposedly there to serve.

but instead, the media treated us to idiotic debates over whether kneeling is disrespectful and whether "black lives matters" somehow disrespectful towards white people or the police. and evidently they figured we're supposed to think that talking about that perceived possible disrespect is somehow more important than the real topic of government agents hurting and sometimes killing black people.


same story with the right-wing attacks on school boards across the nation. they organized a nationwide campaign to take over school boards and/or pressure them to impose a white supremacist educations agenda, trying to whitewash american history such only positive portrayals of white historical figures are allowed, and that black and other minority figures are erased from history.

that's a big deal and a huge assault on our educational system and teachers' ability to teach the truth about our history. but rather than talk about this, the media treated us to yet another ridiculous debate about the term "critical race theory". what is means to academics, whether or not it is being taught in k-12 schools, etc.

who gives a crap what slogan that shout when they attack our educational system. the real question is whether or not their proposals should be enacted, whether or not school boards should require teachers to whitewash history. and of couse they should not, but point is, that should be the focus of the debate. instead the media misdirected all of us to the labeling. and yet again, it serves the right-wing agenda. because if "critical race theory" isn't actually taught in k-12, well, then, what's the problem with banning it?

of course, the problem is that what the right-wing is banning *isn't* critical race theory. what they are banning is teaching the truth, teaching that our white historical figures weren't perfect, teaching that oh hey, some of our historical figures were actually minorities, teaching about the diverse nature of our history, etc.

but you'd have a hard time getting to a substantive issue listening to the media, because all the can talk about is the "critical race theory" term.


time and time again, the media obscures the news you need to know in favor of the trivia the right wing would rather you focus on.


of course it was a coup attempt and of course donnie was involved; in fact, the entire thing was his traitorous idea, he was blatantly the leader of the coup attempt. the media should have immediately accepted this as obvious and moved on to holding them accountable.

yes, there's congressional and judicial ways of holding people accountable, but the media is more than capable of holding people accountable as well. they're certainly able to kill democratic careers by either denying them airtime or by constantly bringing up something negative (such as a fake scandal) whenever they do have to cover them. they should give donnie the same treatment.

ignore him, or constantly remind people that he was quite possibly the most consistently, deeply unpopular president in history; the biggest liar perhaps the world has ever seen; utterly incompetent; grifted millions upon million from the public till, spent nearly every day of his political career sowing hatred and division; and in a global war against a lethal virus, he sided with the enemy.

and then he led a failed coup attempt.

the media still can't talk about hillary without bringing up her emails and pretending like that said something bad about her, yet they don't treat donnie anywhere near as poorly despite massive stacks of obvious evidence and reasons for treating donnie far worse.


the right wing has been "working the ref" for decades with such attacks on the media as the ridiculous "liberal bias" attack. but the media bent itself to serve the right wing, to the point where even the msm is shows a strong right-wing bias. look at the topics they discuss and the terms they use and the framing they use. all right-wing. even when a liberal is denouncing it, it's usually playing into a right-wing frame anyway.

it's really, really hard to preserve a democracy when the media is unwilling to make those involved in the coup accountable.

freedom of the press is in the constitution, but not so the media can make money. holding government officials who organize traitorous coups goes to the heart of what the "freedom of the press" exists and was written into the constitution.

but today's media, just as so many republicans, doesn't give a rat's behind about civic responsibility.


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"was donnie involved" and "was it a coup?" yet again, the media treats us to ridiculous debates (Original Post) unblock Jan 2022 OP
Why do we keep wondering why the MSM pushes the right wing narratives? gab13by13 Jan 2022 #1
Huge kick and recommend for both the OP and the first reply posted. love_katz Jan 2022 #2
On MSNBC gab13by13 Jan 2022 #3
K&R DLevine Jan 2022 #4
Kick. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #5
Never forget that the majority of the Houseand Senate voted to impeach this monster over the coup malaise Jan 2022 #6
Most excellent! Solomon Jan 2022 #7
Does anyone remember a traitor interview before Nov. 3, 2020 Marthe48 Jan 2022 #8
It wasn't a coup... brooklynite Jan 2022 #9
I checked coup at Thesaurus.com Marthe48 Jan 2022 #10
great example. unblock Jan 2022 #11
Well said. K&R for visibility. crickets Jan 2022 #12

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
1. Why do we keep wondering why the MSM pushes the right wing narratives?
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 06:12 AM
Jan 2022

Why do we keep asking that question? The MSM is owned and managed by right wingers, by Wall Street, by Big Pharma.

MSNBC, Comcast's 2 major shareholders are Vanguard and BlackRock.

The MSM is not our friend.

gab13by13

(21,337 posts)
3. On MSNBC
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 06:37 AM
Jan 2022

for every Nicolle Wallace there are a dozen Chuck Todd's, for every Rachel Maddow there are a dozen Andrea Mitchell's.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
6. Never forget that the majority of the Houseand Senate voted to impeach this monster over the coup
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 09:15 AM
Jan 2022

That is all

Solomon

(12,310 posts)
7. Most excellent!
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 09:27 AM
Jan 2022


Every day I rant at the tv about why the media chooses to "debate" something ridiculous thereby giving it credence. It's particularly maddening when the personalities that you want to trust like Rachel, Joy, Lawrence, etc.do it too. I fully understand why the right wing does it, but It feels like betrayal when the people who we think are not ring wing engage in it too.

My wife gets angry but every time I turn on a show with talking heads I'm always yelling at the tv - "why are they giving credence by even debating this?"

As someone said upthread. The right wing owns the media.





Marthe48

(16,950 posts)
8. Does anyone remember a traitor interview before Nov. 3, 2020
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 09:36 AM
Jan 2022

Where he was asked if he'd concede if he lost the election? And he wouldn't answer yes or no. In the last few days, I started thinking traitor and his henchmen were already working on a coup. He started talking about stolen elections before Nov. 3. In hindsight, there are plenty of markers indicting he was going to fight dirty, the only method he knows. Criminals suck, and criminal mobs suck even more.

brooklynite

(94,541 posts)
9. It wasn't a coup...
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 09:49 AM
Jan 2022
COUP (noun):" a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government."


The mob at Congress wasn't seizing power. At most, they were disrupting the political process, which might have delayed the Congressional approval process, but wouldn't have changed the outcome (nb: there's not requirement that Congress count the Electoral Votes in the Capitol).

Marthe48

(16,950 posts)
10. I checked coup at Thesaurus.com
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:21 AM
Jan 2022

It seems to be a convenient shorthand for overthrow, demolish, bring to ruin, rebellion, unseat, upend. I'm thinking of it as an attempted coup.

Was thinking of the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion, early American examples of strong opposition to government policies. But still, not a full-blown attempt to topple the government, like January 6th was.

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