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Omicron is everywhere. Dr. Abraar Karan explains why cloth masks dont cut it.- By Chas Danner, New York Magazine, Intelligencer, Dec. 30, 2021 (no paywall)
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One of the most vocal advocates for the use of higher-quality masks throughout the pandemic has been Stanford infectious-diseases doctor Abraar Karan, who has researched COVID transmission and been calling for the use of high-filtration masks since the spring of 2020. His Twitter feed continues to be an invaluable resource for information on mask effectiveness, criticism of the inadequate public-health efforts regarding masking, and other commentary on COVID-19. I spoke with Dr. Karan about his ongoing campaign for better masks, their importance in the fight against Omicron, and why you should replace that cloth mask in your underwear drawer.
Why should people start using high-filtration masks like N95s and KN95s as their go-to, everyday masks rather than cloth ones?
The key reason is that transmission of the coronavirus is primarily through aerosols, which float around in the air you inhale them and are not filtered well by cloth masks. You really need melt-blown polypropylene, which you find in surgical masks and N95s, to stop these small particles.
So the materials used to make these masks make them better equipped to filter out the virus?
Yeah. The material is basically melt-blown polymers, like polypropylene, which form this complex sort of webbing which is then electrostatically charged, and that pulls the particles in when youre inhaling and exhaling. Cloth masks are often just woven thread and other materials that dont have that design. Cloth masks dont provide great source control, either. The CDC is now letting people who test positive for COVID-19 stop isolating after five days and then wear a mask for five days. It would have been ideal for them to also recommend that be a better mask.
- more at link: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/why-you-should-upgrade-your-face-mask-to-an-n95.html
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)But, I hate the message.
First of all, the physics of filtration suggest cloth masks are not "useless". Less effective or efficient, & useless are VERY different things.
This messaging encourages the mask resisters who can point to an "expert" and say "See, I told you masks were useless."
A cloth mask is still better than no mask.
He also understates the natural static charge built up by ANY cloth. While the charge is less pronounced than an electret fiber, it still exists.
While encouraging better masks is a fine message, degrading the alternatives seems foolish.
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ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)It helps to minimize free flow path between strands & frays.
These particles aren't atomic in size. Anything that gets in their way is better than a 100% free flow path.
I do have a few surgical masks I put under cloth when I'm in the schools.
DeeNice
(575 posts)"now they're saying masks don't work" and I told him that wasn't true and he backed down, muttering something about how he must be listening to the wrong stuff. I let it go but I so wanted to say yeah you are.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)First not everyone can afford more than a cloth mask.
Second some are just barely willing to wear a cloth mask, they aren't going to get a different, more expensive mask.
So yeah obviously he's right, but the message should be cloth masks are better than no masks but if you want even better protection...
Pinback
(12,166 posts)for links to several affordable sources of what appear to be good-quality face masks, some for less than $2 apiece (which is way less than what we paid for the attractive cloth masks that now lie abandoned on the desk in favor of NIOSH-approved N95s).
Still, those in extreme poverty will not be able to buy masks in bulk online, which is why it's encouraging to see some local health departments distributing good-quality masks for free, for example:
- Free N95 Masks Offered By Grand Forks Public Health (Jan. 4, 2022)
- https://www.kvrr.com/2022/01/04/free-n95-masks-offered-by-grand-forks-public-health/
I hope we'll see more action on free mask distribution at all levels in the weeks to come.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Which is how a lot of poor people do it.
Pinback
(12,166 posts)to try to make their flimsy case.
Dr. Mike Osterholm of the University of Minnesota's CIDRAP has been beating the drum for good-quality masks for quite a while, as in this October 2021 commentary: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/commentary-what-can-masks-do-part-1-science-behind-covid-19-protection
He tends to express the message with perhaps more subtlety.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)He & I might disagree (vehemently) on the definition of "very inefficient" having done significant work on the physics & physical chemistry of filtration.
But, comparing a cloth mask to an N95 or a surgical mask leaves out an obvious 4th option. That would be NO MASK.
I still quibble with this messaging.
Pinback
(12,166 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 6, 2022, 04:18 PM - Edit history (1)
In fact, in the NY Magazine article, Dr. Karan is quoted as saying, "In terms of cloth masks, Id rather you wear something than nothing. But if youre able to upgrade, that would be great."
And in Part 2 of the CIDRAP commentary (COMMENTARY: What can masks do? Part 2: What makes for a good mask study and why most fail)*, the authors state "Again, at the outset, we underscore that we are not 'anti-mask.' Rather, we are in favor of wearing the most protective type of facepiece for the settingsuch as a non-fit tested respirator when spending more than a few minutes in a crowded, indoor spaceand only in combination with other interventions."
The message is essentially "If you're going to wear a mask to protect yourself and others from COVID-19, here is some guidance on mask quality to help you make the best choice."
* Direct link for those who don't like to click on hyperlinks:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/commentary-what-can-masks-do-part-2-what-makes-good-mask-study-and-why-most
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Not buried in part 2.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)So, we're done because I don't like having words put in my mouth.
Pinback
(12,166 posts)And you also stated:
This messaging encourages the mask resisters who can point to an "expert" and say "See, I told you masks were useless."
Also true! See, we're agreeing!
So perhaps the title of my reply should have been "Neither of these sources suggests that a cloth mask is useless," not "Neither of these sources suggests that a cloth mask equals no mask." In fact, to show what a good guy I am, I've just made that edit. Have a good day.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,791 posts)Used by seamstresses to add stiffness to light-weight fabrics. The same used in making surgical masks, but the non adhesive type.
I put a layer of medium weight ( shirt tailor weight)Pellon interfacing that has an adhesive to a layer of fabric and iron it on the wrong side, then proceed to making the mask. There is an added layer of protection.
Just came back from shoveling the driveway for 90 minutes, wearing one of them snd my face stayed warm in sub zero temperatures.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)and a layer of polypropylene in the middle and they fit snugly.
I get them from a local guy who makes them.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,791 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Still testing negative.
lindysalsagal
(20,730 posts)nilram
(2,893 posts)Reliable products, reasonable prices.
https://shop.projectn95.org/all
Pinback
(12,166 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(4,397 posts)MissB
(15,812 posts)I do have some n95s but they are the ones with valves. My son wears one of those and a kn95 over it.
Im still only wearing the kn95s since Im never anywhere for a long time. I work from home, Im doing curbside pickup. If I had to be in contact with folks for any period of time Id change to an n95 with a surgical mask on top.
My husband finally switched to a kn95 last week. Id tried but hadnt been able to get him to switch; our son finally convinced him.
I was supposed to take a pup for an annual vaccination this morning but the vet called out sick. Id already committed to paying an extra $20 for curbside drop off/pick up because there was no way I was going into a small room with someone not of my household. Our cases have skyrocketed.
Pinback
(12,166 posts)One of my adult kids was getting by with a gaiter for a long time until we finally convinced him to start wearing N95s.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)But when I do, cloth masks still seem to prevail here in southern WI, if people are even wearing them at all.
It's ugly out there.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)Well-fitted 600 TPI cotton filter as well as K/N 95 masks when new (95-98%). Two-layer quilter's cotton (fewer than 600 TPI) with a third layer of a different fabric like silk also work as well as K/N 95 masks.
Both cloth and disposable masis degrade over time. K/N95 drop to around 85% after about 30 hours. Cloth masks degrade with washing (think lint on the lint filter), but the speed of degradation is more is more variable with cloth.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acsnano.0c03252 (Table 1, middle of the page for 600 TPI; Hybrid 2 (3 lines p from the bottom); cf N95 with no gap (top line) for particles >300nm (the size at which filtration is measured)
Fit and filtration are key. Surgical mask - in general - do not fit. Air takes the path of least resistance - so if you have gaps, regardless of filtration level, it's a bad mask. Surgical masks with a gap filter 44% of particles of the applicable size - and I have not yet seen a surgical mask that does not gap.
Pinback
(12,166 posts)As you say, "Fit and filtration are key." This is really the whole ball game. Many of the masks people wear are basically ceremonial in nature, or designed to comply with the letter (but not the spirit) of a civic or business requirement, rather than to actually minimize virus spread.
And, obviously, if you're far away from other people and outdoors or in a well-ventilated indoor area, you may be at less risk and can therefore get by with a less efficient mask. At our house, we're triple vaccinated and using N95s whenever we go to a store, post office, etc. And we're not socializing until "the scene is clean," to borrow the title of a Tadd Dameron jazz composition.
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)with a design that mimics the cloth masks which fit really well.
Mostly my cloth masks have been washed a lot - and the cloth masks largely work by the size of the holes which grow with washing. I don't have time to make new ones at the moment. (The 3-layers with a different middle layer work more similarly to the disposable ones - electrostatically.
I'll revert to my cloth masks once omicron dies down and/or I have time to make some new ones.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Delphinus
(11,840 posts)the comments on the NY Magazine site - had to stop after the first four or five.
Pinback
(12,166 posts)Looks like the Freedumb Caucus remains unconvinced -- who'd a thunk? Why are so many of these idiots swarming the NY Magazine site? Looks like there are no restrictions on commenting (except "signing up" with Facebook, Google, or an email address), so of course they get comment-bombed by the lowest common denominator.
It was worth slogging through the muck, though, to get to this comment from "mary.drw":
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)if I could get the rest of my community to wear masks at all.