Should Biden (or another Democratic candidate) agree to a debate if Trump runs in 2024?

[Doodley]

[elleng]

1. NOW?

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. If we dont get hundreds of thousands of test sites and stations with

hundreds of millions of masks all over the country.

If we dont shut down pretty much everything, there wont be anything like this.

If we dont get voting rights it wont matter either, no matter how many votes the dem gets the GOP simply wont acknowledge it and their SC will enforce it.

Joe needs to mandate anything and everything he can NOW...need to open hundreds of thousands of sites, fill them with equipment mfg because companies were FORCED to do it, etc.

[brooklynite]

19. If you imagine we're going to "shut down pretty much everything" you're being naive...

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Instead of responding to the one thing we probably cant do, why not tell me you ARE contacting

your very powerful friends and suggesting to them what I suggested about going on TV and accidentally letting expletives fly to get people's attention and tell people to demand trump accept his loss and that pols support voting rights etc?

Sounds like a good idea given how DESPERATE things are, right?

I assume you saw my PLEA?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216223286

ps

I didnt say we could shut down everything, I simply stated that if we dont this and future viruses will be unmanageable.

[brooklynite]

29. Why not? Because I think its a silly idea.

First, this notion of going into a rant on TV news shows is something that'll make liberal activists happy, but won't convince anyone else.

Second, the average voter isn't as fixated on Trump and the insurrectionists as people here are. (see: Virginia 2021). They care about economic policies, COVID/health care and education. And as far as COVID goes, they want vaccines and treatment but they're not willing to go through an economic and educational shutdown again.

[herding cats]

30. Do you think this is the reason for the new CDC guidelines?

The aversion to economic shutdowns?

I will say they're going over like a lead balloon within the medical and science communities. When your ED community is already short staffed and suffering from burnout, having the CDC (the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, last I - and they - checked) issued a declaration which appears to kneecap any real preventative measures to bolster the economic impact, it is unseemly. To be polite. It was a mistake and we are being raked over the coals for it. But, I'm sure you'll rebuttal with (in your mind, since you most likely won't reply) the "average" voter doesn't care. I'll reply to that with, we're too big of a tent, which means all these small bleeds do tend to add up in the end. Every election we hemorrhage a few here and a few there. Collateral damage in the grand scheme of things, but collectively losses like these ones will matter. They're not extremist by any stretch of the imagination. They're doing more than simple bellyaching and saying policy hasn't been changed, someone needs to pay attention. They're beyond their means, they need help. Real help.

Most every person I know and speak to about schools agree they should be open. The positives far outweigh the negatives. They have strong models and plans which make it as safe as possible. These need to become a standard. Tests need to be made available now to all students and staff, also masks (kn95) need to be provided to citizens and required in schools to prevent infection. If they have them, more will wear them. Far too many are still relying on cloth masks. They don't work anymore against omicron.

We're still behind on this 2 years into it. More needs to be done, and our healthcare workers need to be of a higher priority than they are now. They and teachers are both leaving their fields rather than deal with our inadequacies at dealing with their needs. We're failing them and we will all feel the impact. This isn't going away, those claims the loss of healthcare workers would balance out once Covid-19 was in the rear view mirror were false. People who left will be aged out before this is truly behind us.

[Scrivener7]

32. One mistake Democrats make on message is to constantly try and catch up with people's

concerns with our messaging.

The republiQans shape the message and tell their constituents what to be concerned about.

We should do both things. Voters should be concerned about TFG and the insurrectionists. They would be if they were consistently reminded of the importance of the event and the dangers of not bringing the perpetrators to justice.

[mzmolly]

3. No.

Trump should be in jail.

[WheelWalker]

4. During visiting hours?

[Budi]

6. 👍 K & R

[sheshe2]

7. LOl

[MustLoveBeagles]

8. LoL 😆

Well played.

[RainCaster]

18. Yes!

[Deuxcents]

5. No. And hell no.

[unblock]

9. The are many norms of political and social discourse Donnie doesn't abide by

So why should anyone engage him in a "debate" or otherwise treat him as if what he offers is simple a legitimate point of view the rest of us disagree with?

We should be dismissing him and his followers as living in a fantasy land.


You don't debate crazy, you don't debate fantasy.

[brush]

14. His performances in the debates were disastrous...

and undoubtedly lost him some votes. He'll be worse four years from now. Of course our nominee should debate him.

[Polybius]

22. He does horrible against Democrats

Oddly enough, he debates well against Republicans. Just ask Jeb.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

10. Yes,but only if they both agree to shock collars, you lie, it shocks you

Dumbass will writhing around on the floor after all his lies

[Drunken Irishman]

11. Biden kicked his ass in both debates, so, yes.

[stopdiggin]

12. I don't see the downside.

yes it is a platform - but it is a format in which Trump wins absolutely no (additional) support. Trump reveals himself to be an unparalleled moron every time he has a speaking engagement. And in a debate ..? Flames!

----- -- -------- -----

[brush]

13. By all means. trump was a disaster in the debates against Joe.

I'm sure he lost some voters who watched. He'll be even worse four years later.

[Tribetime]

15. It all depends on what happens in the midterms

If we lose the House and Senate later this year then it will be a moot point

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

16. Honestly, I've thought that debates are stupid, useless,

uninformative, and make no sense whatsoever. I long ago gave up watching them, because I realized I didn't learn anything worthwhile.

[niyad]

17. The f'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR**'s co-morbidities may do him in before then.

Cholesterol.

[brooklynite]

20. Let's see: Biden debated Trump twice. Biden won.

What does this tell us?

[Polybius]

21. Of course!

If a candidate refuses to debate, then that candidate loses. It's not 1972 anymore. There's been debates from 1976 on.

[canetoad]

23. Of course

If they wheel him out like this.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

24. The Fascist Guy tried to spew his Covid infested spittle on President Biden

in an attempt to infect him during the first debate.

If a Democratic candidate does debate him, they should protect themselves from any toxic spew, and a moderator would have to agree to immediately cut off TFG's microphone the second TFG attempts to derail the debate by shouting his sniveling nonsense over the Democratic candidate's responses.

[Emile]

25. I can't believe you mentioned his name. To answer the question, hell no!

[Emile]

26. Remember TFG peaceful transition of power?

[Mr. Ected]

28. Only if Joe gets the questions in advance, chooses the ones he wants

And gets to provide written answers.

Hey, that's how Trump was deposed by Mueller, so why not?

[MissMillie]

31. not unless he's turned into the "boy in the bubble" (n/t)

.