The number of Boosted patients in critical care in the UK!

[Tomconroy]

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I believe I read that the boosted rate for over 65s in the UK is over 90 percent.

[secondwind]

1. No wonder they are going down the drain.... UNBELIEVABLE!!

[Botany]

2. And of that total of 1.1% vaccinated & boosted people who wound up in critical care I'm willing ....

.... to bet that just about all of them had some kind of underlying medical condition.

[Meowmee]

3. Still not good for those that do end up there

Even after 3 shots. And it is not ok somehow because they have underlying conditions.

[gab13by13]

5. It's not OK, but it is understandable.

[Botany]

7. I never said that getting a breakthrough infection was good or OK I just put down what ...

... I thought was the reason for double vaxed and boosted people winding up in intensive care
and that was they likely had underlying conditions.

[Meowmee]

30. You may not have meant it that way as you say and didn't

But when that is repeated, which I have seen numerous times here and elsewhere eventually it collectively implies somehow it is ok, because the numbers are low and after all, those people have underlying conditions, so the rest if us don’t need to worry so much.

Instead we should be trying to figure out one why anyone is getting bt & still spreading it and two how to make it safe for everyone, especially those with underlying conditions or high risk due to age etc.

This applied early on as well when I saw it repeated here many times that only or mainly the elderly and high risk were very ill or dying. Which was not completely true. But they were at higher risk, yet young healthy so called frontline workers were eligible for vaccines before the elderly living at home and high risk.

[Demsrule86]

20. It is 1.1 percent...clearly this is fantastic news.

[abqtommy]

4. Thanks, I did have to squint to see The Green. But that's good! nt

[Farmer-Rick]

6. Thanks for posting this

I think there is a misconception out there that if you are fully vaccinated and boosted you can still catch COVID as easily as an unvaccinated person. You can't.

Your chances of catching COVID if you are fully vaccinated and boosted....just catching it.....are less than 5 percent. And your chances of having such a bad case that you have to go to the hospital are even smaller.

[luvtheGWN]

8. Yes, if you are vaccinated and boosted...

....AND continuing to wear a mask when out in public.

[Farmer-Rick]

11. Masks must help

But I couldn't find any study indicating how that affected vaccinated and unvaccinated people aside from common sense. Though masks in general reduce infection rates.

The studies I found on infection rate for vaccinated and boosted people with omicron were everywhere between 1 percent and 4.6 percent. So, I just round off to 5 percent at the highest.

[Loki Liesmith]

16. Mask effect is marginal at best

Maybe an 11% reduction in community spread. And that only for surgical masks.

Cloth masks are a joke.

[Demsrule86]

22. I do not agree with that at all. I believe wearing a mask is very effective and will continue to do

so. It also protects you from regular flu, the common cold, and other air-borne illnesses. When Covid is over, I will still wear a mask during flu season...even having a flu vaccine yearly, I am prone to flu. I haven't had it in two years at the moment. I have worn a mask consistently.

[ProfessorGAC]

28. Sorry, But No

Cloth masks are not a "joke".
Of course, there are even more efficient filtration media, but I think it highly irresponsible to add any fuel to the " masks don't work" fire.
For cloth masks to do nothing, the exhalation aerosols would have to defy the laws of physics. And the principles of surface chemistry, an area in which I have substantial expertise.
Your opinion doesn't square with science, and worse, it's a dangerous message.

[San Diego Bee]

29. From the nih

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8072811/

[boyedav1969]

18. Cloth masks are only really effective...

...if EVERYONE is wearing them. Sure, my cloth mask might reduce the chance of me transmitting it to someone else, but I'm also vaxxed/boosted. The people who don't think masks are necessary are many of the same ones who don't think vaxxing and distancing are necessary, and who are much more likely to be spreaders.

I'm glad people are wearing masks of any kind, but unless you're wearing a layered surgical mask or better, you're mostly just protecting people who can't be bothered to protect you.

We should probably all be wearing KN95 or better if we're interacting with anyone who could potentially be transmitting, otherwise we're just letting ourselves potentially become spreaders.

[MadLinguist]

10. If you have a study or anything you can point to about decresed risk of infection

for the double-vaccinated and boosted, can you send it along? I think this has got to be right and have gone so far as to assert it in discussions about gatherings among the vaccinated and boosted. But I want to be able to back it up with a sibling who, while not anti-vaxx, is skeptical that there is any benefit beyond self protection in being boosted.

I know the chances of severe covid effects are lowered (as noted in the OP), so that is not the kind of study I mean. I mean the chances of getting infected in the first place -- and thus the chances of infecting others as a comparison across unvaccinated, vaccinated but not boosted and the boosted.

[Lasher]

13. Here is a useful image

More to be found at the website here: https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-100997_100998---,00.html

[Farmer-Rick]

21. Sure. They are tough to find.

Last edited Sat Jan 8, 2022, 12:57 PM - Edit history (1)

I guess it is a tougher number to find. You have to know who is fully vaccinated and that changes. Are you fully vaccinated if you are 8 months past your last shot? Do you count boosted or not boosted? Then that J and J vaccine makes everyone's numbers worse. And vaccinated folks who are feeling fine aren't likely to get tested so just looking at the tested numbers is inaccurate. Then the new variant is so new, you have to look at more recent real data, not estimates. But here are a few more reliable numbers.

https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/breakthrough-infections-coronavirus-after-vaccination%3famp=true

It's sometimes hard to find the data in the longer articles so I'll give you the passage and the link:

"Data from 36 of the states showed that approximately 1.37% of those fully vaccinated have experienced a breakthrough infection between January and December." https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infections-deaths-rose-delta-outpaced/story%3fid=81822930

"The data reported from these states indicate that breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are extremely rare events among those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 (see Figure 1). The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.54% in Arkansas." https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

Sept. 1, 62 out of more than 24,000 positive Covid-19 tests—a rate of about 0.2%—were in people who had received a booster. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/covid-19-breakthrough-can-happen-after-booster-in-rare-cases-11638795600

Oops.. meant to add this. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

It doesn't give you a straight up percent but looking at the chart, it looks like 0.1 percent but it's hard to tell exactly. But it is clear infection rate is very low.

[MadLinguist]

25. Thank you for taking the trouble to put this post together, F.R. !

And yes, for all the reasons you state, it is hard to get a crisp picture of infection trends across moving targets that would represent the cohorts in question. I appreciate the sources you cite here.
Stay safe and warm!

[Ford_Prefect]

12. Slight correction if you please. You can catch it and easily if exposed. But you probably won't get

as sick and may only experience relatively milder symptoms.

COVID doesn't act like a cold or the flu when it hits you. The initial symptoms are similar in some form but COVID tends to attack many parts of the body at the same time rather than the phased sort of progression flu makes.

The value of the booster is that it reduces the pathways available into your body which COVID can exploit so that the COVID infection cannot develop and spread within you. You can become infected and become a carrier but you are far less likely to be quite ill from the exposure.

The time from when you had your booster and your relative health play a part as well. There seems to be a consensus building that 3 months is roughly the effective duration of best immunity after which it declines progressively. This is to say that you are most resistant to COVID during that 3 months and then you are more and more vulnerable after the 3 month mark. That is my generalization of the sources I've been reading and not a specific conclusion by CDC, WHO or any other medical authority.

There are other factors which play into vulnerability and severity of infection which seem to be more prevalent among those in the 60+ age range. The chart above reflects the fact that if you have no immunity at all you will get COVID. If you have immunity in some degree from vaccination you will likely be less ill. No one has asserted that the vaccinations were going to be a one time thing. Every prediction I have read stated that we would need boosters of some kind depending on the evolution and spread of COVID.

Since the initial sighting of COVID the epidemiologists have repeated that this is a case of "when" you will be exposed to it. The point of the vaccines is to allow you to survive that exposure, or rather repeated exposures. It is likely that COVID will continue to exist in some or several forms so continued boosters or improved vaccination will probably be in the future for all of us.

[luvtheGWN]

17. Remember that covid is a corona virus, and the common cold is too.

It's not surprising that there are variants of it (with more variants to come). The cold most of us get one year is just a variant of the cold we got last year.

Very few people in the know (scientists, immunologists, doctors) are predicting the end of covid. Most of us get the flu shot every year, and its ingredients are based on the "best guess", whereas the intense research on Covid may very well mean that our flu shots may be replaced by Covid boosters.

Meanwhile I (and everyone in my town) continue to wear a mask (N95), maintain social distance and keep our social interactions to a minimum. Toronto is the only NBA team where only 1,000 are allowed into the 20,000 seat arena. Same with the NHL's Maple Leafs. I watch the games in the US where masks are optional and the arenas are full. Petri dishes, all of them.

Thank goodness for the internet!

[Botany]

14. At least here in OH omnicron has been able to get a large # of breakthrough cases in vaccinated ...

... and in some cases boosted people but their illnesses haven't been as long .... 2 to 10 days ... and no one
that did not have underlying conditions had to go to the Dr. or hospital. One friend had to spend a few days
in the hospital and he has had some medical issues and another friend who is a cancer survivor got some
monoclonal antibody treatments. Both are fine now. It is so common I have little doubt that I was infected
with omnicron but was asymptomatic. The shit is everywhere. And our hospitals are full treating C-19 cases
of un-vaccinated idiots. One local hospital has put off just about all cancer surgeries because they are so
filled up with C-!9 un-vaccinated idiots.

BTW we should not be going through this crap. This is 100% on Trump. President Obama left the personal, the protocols,
and the materials in place that would have stopped the disease in China.

May 2018 The Trump Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team.

July 2019 The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left the post, and the Trump Administration eliminated the role.

https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses

[Zeitghost]

24. Can you expand on that 5% number

Are you saying a fully vaxed and boosted person's chances of catching COVID are 5% of an unvaccinated person? Because that doesn't seem to pan out in the numbers.

[IronLionZion]

9. The blue and green proves vaccines don't work!

100% or nothing

[L. Coyote]

15. Did you do a pie chart of any of the categories, or of the sum of all?

Sometimes a bar chart fails the task. Without your text, the boosted group goes unnoticed.

[Scrivener7]

27. Wut?

[myohmy2]

19. my arm...

...is ready willing and able to accept a second booster as soon as it becomes available, hopefully soon...

...I'm willing to do my patriotic duty by staying alive...

...although some may disagree...

[liberalla]

23. Good information!

[Scrivener7]

26. Nice! Great news!