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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJon Ossoff will introduce a bill banning members of Congress from trading stocks and close the
spousal loophole.
Link to tweet
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aocommunalpunch
(4,240 posts)leftstreet
(36,108 posts)DURec
And good on him!
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)Thats how these bastards all get rich.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)ShazzieB
(16,412 posts)If nothing else, it will draw attention to the issue and make more people aware of it.
DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)and insider trading, the Corporations directly and indirectly take care of them in the shadows. While they are in office, or after they retire.
Why else would someone give millions and millions to take a job that pays under a 200K a year??????????
Biden could care less about the money, that's why they detest him..........He doesn't have their values.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)wendyb-NC
(3,327 posts)He's a keeper.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Walleye
(31,028 posts)JohnSJ
(92,216 posts)into retirement funds that are themselves invested in the stock market.
Walleye
(31,028 posts)former9thward
(32,017 posts)If you vote on something which will cause the market to go up or down it means the retirement fund will do the same.
littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)former9thward
(32,017 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)former9thward
(32,017 posts)Your point?
littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)market involvement for literally 50 years for the specific reason of avoiding any appearance of conflict of interest or being influenced. He made that decision when he was about 29 and stuck to it though it's cost him the fortunes that were being made all around him during this era of enormous wealth growth.
An honest and honorable man.
littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)Walleye
(31,028 posts)Nobody knows what stocks are in their retirement funds. The point is not to show favoritism. I think most people want to see the stock market go up, they just dont want to see corruption
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Walleye
(31,028 posts)Or you know theres a serious pandemic coming up and you dump your stock in carnival cruise. Entirely different.
spooky3
(34,457 posts)I dont believe the evidence supports this statement, nor would it be consistent with theory.
Scrivener7
(50,954 posts)paleotn
(17,930 posts)druidity33
(6,446 posts)you choose funds or a strategy. The financial advisor chooses the stocks and other investments. That seems pretty different to me.
JohnSJ
(92,216 posts)Congress to trade securities needs to be banned.
As for the comment in the tweet, that is why we need more millennials, ignores that just being a millennial does not mean they do the right thing, as saying being older means they do the wrong thing
tblue37
(65,394 posts)JohnSJ
(92,216 posts)AndyS
(14,559 posts)However during markup it was changed to allow Spouses & children to invest which is the 'loop hole' that needs fixing.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)What a silly comment.
Madison Cawthorn is a millennial. Tom Udall and others have perennially endorsed a constitutional amendment stating corporations are not people and money is not speech (the most effective way, I think, to repair our government.) 43 patriotic Senators who love their country signed one year during *s stint.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)But then the media needs to cover the issue. Im 64. We can always hope. Im calling my Senators tomorrow.
These are the kind of issues that need to be driving en home to blue collar workers.
JohnSJ
(92,216 posts)to see if it does
former9thward
(32,017 posts)Speaker Pelosi has already said people in Congress should be able to trade stocks.
Nancy Pelosi says federal lawmakers should be able to trade stock in office: This is a free market
Despite bipartisan support for prohibiting members of Congress from buying and holding individual stocks in office, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Wednesday that lawmakers should be allowed to make trades while serving.
Were a free market economy, Pelosi told reporters during a news conference. They should be able to participate in that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/nancy-pelosi-federal-lawmakers-should-be-able-to-trade-stock.html
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Celerity
(43,405 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:52 PM - Edit history (1)
Definitely her worst moment (and a huge exception from a brilliant career) as Speaker, by far IMHO:
Pelosi said its fine for lawmakers to trade stocks. Shes wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/21/nancy-pelosi-wrong-lawmakers-trade-stocks/
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) stunned a lot of Americans this past week when she ardently defended the right of lawmakers and their spouses to buy and sell stocks while they serve in Congress. Were a free-market economy. They should be able to participate in that, Ms. Pelosi told reporters.
She should have advocated for tighter scrutiny on congressional trading. Even better would be a full ban on individual stock trades for members of Congress. Theres a big catch to Ms. Pelosis free-market economy claim: U.S. representatives and senators have access to a lot of confidential, nonpublic information. That gives them an unfair advantage in trading.
Walter Shaub, former director of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics, put it this way in a tweet: Its a ridiculous comment! She might as well have said let them eat cake. Sure, its a free-market economy. But your average [person] doesnt get confidential briefings from government experts chock full of nonpublic information directly related to the price of stocks.
When members of the general public trade on nonpublic information, they go to jail for it. Its theoretically possible to go after members of Congress for trading on insider information as well, but that has proved extremely difficult.
Link to tweet
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Loads Call Options In Alphabet, Micron, Roblox, Salesforce And Disney
Dec 30, 2021
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-loads-call-options-in-alphabet-micron-roblox-salesforce-and-disney/ar-AASi0jt
The Democratic majority leader seems to be keeping busy while Congress is in recess for the holidays. U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi purchased millions of dollars worth of call options between Dec. 17 and Dec. 21.
Pelosi bought call options in Alphabet Inc (NASDAQ: GOOG), Micron Technology Inc (NASDAQ: MU), Roblox Corp (NYSE: RBLX), Salesforce.com Inc (NYSE: CRM) and The Walt Disney Co (NYSE: DIS), according to financial disclosures published Thursday.
Pelosi has repeatedly insisted that members of Congress should be allowed to trade individual stocks.
It's something that she has benefited from in the past, most notably through her purchase of Tesla Inc (NASDAQ: TSLA) call options at the beginning of the year.
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crickets
(25,981 posts)Thanks for the links.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)harumph
(1,900 posts)It's more of a free market/kleptocracy.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Ossoff is correct in introducing this legislation.
Federal employees are not allowed to buy stocks in industries they regulate so why should Congress be allowed to own individual stocks since the actions they take impact everything and they get classified briefings on issues (like covid19) which the general public does not have access. We have had too many cases of insider trading by politicians (such as the one he replaced) and they don't always get held accountable. It better to remove the potential for corruption rather than depending on the strong moral fiber of politicians.
crickets
(25,981 posts)Tweet disappeared, found links.
https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-ossoff-stock-trade-ban-members-of-congress-pelosi-2022-1
In addition, the legislation would likely mandate that lawmakers place their financial assets in blind trusts an action that Ossoff took himself after being elected to the Senate in a January 2021 runoff election. [snip]
According to a December survey conducted by the conservative group Convention of States Action, 76 percent of voters give a thumbs down to lawmakers and their spouses trading stocks with the opinion that those individuals have garnered an "unfair advantage" in the stock market while only 5 percent of voters were fine with the practice.
You don't think Ossoff will find a Repub co-sponsor? He just might.
https://nypost.com/2022/01/08/jon-ossoff-could-snub-nancy-pelosi-with-ban-on-congress-stock-trades/
Insiders say that Republicans in the Senate could fold and support an Ossoff-style bill if they feel political pressure. One person applying such pressure is Arizona Republican Senate primary candidate Blake Masters, who says both Pelosi and Senate Republicans are wrong about the issue.
These lawmakers are just out of touch with how normal people view the situation, Masters told The Post. Members of Congress should not be buying call options on Big Tech companies theyre in charge of regulating, that is ludicrous. [snip]
David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler lost their seats, I think, because of the allegations of insider trading, Holman told The Post. Had those allegations not happened, I suspect the Republicans wouldve held onto the senate.
https://www.businessinsider.com/conflicted-congress-key-findings-stock-act-finances-investing-2021-12
Insider's new investigative reporting project, "Conflicted Congress," chronicles the myriad ways members of the US House and Senate have eviscerated their own ethical standards, avoided consequences, and blinded Americans to the many moments when lawmakers' personal finances clash with their public duties. [snip]
Insider's "Conflicted Congress" is also rating every member of Congress on their financial conflicts and commitment to financial transparency. Thirteen senators and House members have received a red "danger" rating on our three-tier stoplight scale, while 113 get a yellow "borderline" rating.
Finally, Insider published an exclusive, searchable, and sortable database of all members of Congress' personal finances, including their assets, debts, and sources of outside income. (Data geeks rejoice!)
druidity33
(6,446 posts)There are not a small number of dems on that list...
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)tblue37
(65,394 posts)doughb
(14 posts)Tracking stock trading on Capitol Hill
https://twitter.com/QuiverCongress
crickets
(25,981 posts)Links to website for non Twitter folks:
https://www.quiverquant.com/sources/housetrading
https://www.quiverquant.com/sources/senatetrading
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)Without reform in this area, the stock market is mostly a criminal enterprise.
oldsoftie
(12,553 posts)JohnSJ
(92,216 posts)pass
marieo1
(1,402 posts)Thank you, Jon Ossoff........if someone thinks this is the same as a mandated retirement fund, they are crazy. I worked for the state for many years and always paid into a retirement fund. I am retired now and with health problems am so glad I did. Some people are so mean!!
Prospero1
(83 posts)Lawyers and judges must avoid conflicts of interest when administering the law. Shouldn't those who MAKE the laws be held to at least the same standard?
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)knowingly committing insider trading by passing on information that has not been revealed to the public beforehand to anyone for financial gain.
bucolic_frolic
(43,175 posts)to invest in. Would greatly reduce the incentive for trading on privileged info. Maybe Congress should have its own financial refuge for Capitol Hill assets?
azureblue
(2,146 posts)Even blatant insider trading, and no one said squat. But the Goopers think they can use a half truth to attack Pelosi.
This will not pass because insider trading and bribery makes GOP congress critters rich..
Pinback
(12,155 posts)this is a good reminder that both of Georgias previous Republican Senators were crooks who benefited from insider trading while in office. And now one of those assholes wants to be our governor.
mahina
(17,663 posts)There are some obvious downsides too.
It would shrink the pool of people who will be willing to do the work. Why should they be excluded win or if? They could have it run in a blind trust or some other way that precludes inside dealing