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tblue37

(65,394 posts)
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 08:11 PM Jan 2022

Jon Ossoff will introduce a bill banning members of Congress from trading stocks and close the

spousal loophole.



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Jon Ossoff will introduce a bill that bans members of Congress from trading stocks and closes the spouse loophole. This is why we need more millennials in office.
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Jon Ossoff will introduce a bill banning members of Congress from trading stocks and close the (Original Post) tblue37 Jan 2022 OP
k & r n/t aocommunalpunch Jan 2022 #1
What?! No. I was planning to marry a congressperson leftstreet Jan 2022 #2
That has no chance of passing. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2022 #3
Yep, it's the reason many of them are there. Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #6
Feeding at the federal trough is the only reason qpukes "serve" SheltieLover Jan 2022 #7
Many Dems will not support it either. roody Jan 2022 #63
What he's doing still has value. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #40
Beyond the stock market DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #47
Nice. Though it's not a loophole, it's a feature, Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #4
Good on you, Jon wendyb-NC Jan 2022 #5
K&R! SheltieLover Jan 2022 #8
I think Joe Biden never owned stock the whole time he was in the Senate. He got by OK Walleye Jan 2022 #9
While Biden does not have "direct ownership" of a stock or bond, he has paid money into JohnSJ Jan 2022 #12
I think that's different, it doesn't really present a conflict of interest Walleye Jan 2022 #13
I agree JohnSJ Jan 2022 #14
How is it different? former9thward Jan 2022 #17
Do you have a retirement fund? littlemissmartypants Jan 2022 #18
Yes. former9thward Jan 2022 #22
If it's a 401K it is possible you are investing in stocks. nt littlemissmartypants Jan 2022 #37
No doubt. former9thward Jan 2022 #41
Judge not lest ye be judged? ❤ littlemissmartypants Jan 2022 #46
:) The point to make is that Biden has avoided personal stock Hortensis Jan 2022 #49
littlemissmartypants Jan 2022 #54
It's different from doing something that will make a particular stock go up because you own it. Walleye Jan 2022 #25
Correct Rebl2 Jan 2022 #27
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #28
I'm thinking like if you own stock in a coal company and vote against the green new deal. Walleye Jan 2022 #31
Please provide citations to research documenting this. spooky3 Jan 2022 #42
Not true at all. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #43
Like what for instance?? Vote on what specifically?? paleotn Jan 2022 #45
You don't choose the stocks... druidity33 Jan 2022 #48
K&R spanone Jan 2022 #10
I was watching an interview of Larry Summers on Bloomberg saying that allowing members of JohnSJ Jan 2022 #11
Liz Warren introduced a similar bill at one time, & she's no millennial. tblue37 Jan 2022 #16
Exactly, and I don't believe Bernie Sanders is a millennial either JohnSJ Jan 2022 #19
She did and it passed which is why congress critters cannot own stocks. AndyS Jan 2022 #26
I know, it is not just a millennial thing. LisaM Jan 2022 #33
+1 Ponietz Jan 2022 #36
+++ JohnSJ Jan 2022 #38
I hope they make each Senator vote on this. Should be used to embarrass those who don't support mjvpi Jan 2022 #15
Sine this will first happen in the House, it may never get to the Senate. It will be interesting JohnSJ Jan 2022 #20
The bill will go nowhere. former9thward Jan 2022 #21
but if it does, please add coal and pharmaceuticals NCjack Jan 2022 #23
I wonder what Speaker Pelosi thinks about this. Celerity Jan 2022 #24
I have loads of respect for Nancy Pelosi, but on this issue I agree that she is so wrong. crickets Jan 2022 #30
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2022 #34
I support Nancy - but she's wrong on this one. harumph Jan 2022 #35
They should not be doing this. AngryOldDem Jan 2022 #44
Stocks Old Okie Jan 2022 #53
John Ossof is right about this issue, and it needs more push from constituents. crickets Jan 2022 #29
That's an excellent link... druidity33 Jan 2022 #50
Thank you! BeckyDem Jan 2022 #52
Thanks. nt tblue37 Jan 2022 #56
Might be of interest... doughb Jan 2022 #57
Wow. Great find. nt crickets Jan 2022 #59
That is the part of his platform that I was most excited about ecstatic Jan 2022 #66
Gee, why hasnt this happened before 2022??? oldsoftie Jan 2022 #32
It has. Someone mentioned Elizabeth Warren introduced something like this previously, but it didn't JohnSJ Jan 2022 #39
Hooray for Jon Ossoff............. marieo1 Jan 2022 #51
This has always bothered me. Prospero1 Jan 2022 #55
Also need a law making it a criminal offense for them to be engaged in cstanleytech Jan 2022 #58
There are ETF's, mutual funds, arm's length advisors, and blind trusts for public servants bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #60
Repubs been trading for decades azureblue Jan 2022 #61
Good! Proud of my Senator. And Pinback Jan 2022 #62
On its face it sounds reasonable but then when you think about it mahina Jan 2022 #64
This will never make the floor! Emile Jan 2022 #65

ShazzieB

(16,412 posts)
40. What he's doing still has value.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 10:06 PM
Jan 2022

If nothing else, it will draw attention to the issue and make more people aware of it.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
47. Beyond the stock market
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 11:06 PM
Jan 2022

and insider trading, the Corporations directly and indirectly take care of them in the shadows. While they are in office, or after they retire.
Why else would someone give millions and millions to take a job that pays under a 200K a year??????????
Biden could care less about the money, that's why they detest him..........He doesn't have their values.

JohnSJ

(92,216 posts)
12. While Biden does not have "direct ownership" of a stock or bond, he has paid money into
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 08:37 PM
Jan 2022

into retirement funds that are themselves invested in the stock market.

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
17. How is it different?
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 08:54 PM
Jan 2022

If you vote on something which will cause the market to go up or down it means the retirement fund will do the same.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. :) The point to make is that Biden has avoided personal stock
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 07:41 AM
Jan 2022

market involvement for literally 50 years for the specific reason of avoiding any appearance of conflict of interest or being influenced. He made that decision when he was about 29 and stuck to it though it's cost him the fortunes that were being made all around him during this era of enormous wealth growth.

An honest and honorable man.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
25. It's different from doing something that will make a particular stock go up because you own it.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:09 PM
Jan 2022

Nobody knows what stocks are in their retirement funds. The point is not to show favoritism. I think most people want to see the stock market go up, they just don’t want to see corruption

Response to Walleye (Reply #25)

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
31. I'm thinking like if you own stock in a coal company and vote against the green new deal.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:20 PM
Jan 2022

Or you know there’s a serious pandemic coming up and you dump your stock in carnival cruise. Entirely different.

spooky3

(34,457 posts)
42. Please provide citations to research documenting this.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 10:17 PM
Jan 2022

I don’t believe the evidence supports this statement, nor would it be consistent with theory.

druidity33

(6,446 posts)
48. You don't choose the stocks...
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 07:29 AM
Jan 2022

you choose funds or a strategy. The financial advisor chooses the stocks and other investments. That seems pretty different to me.



JohnSJ

(92,216 posts)
11. I was watching an interview of Larry Summers on Bloomberg saying that allowing members of
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 08:32 PM
Jan 2022

Congress to trade securities needs to be banned.

As for the comment in the tweet, “that is why we need more millennials”, ignores that just being a millennial does not mean they do the right thing, as saying being older means they do the wrong thing

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
26. She did and it passed which is why congress critters cannot own stocks.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:12 PM
Jan 2022

However during markup it was changed to allow Spouses & children to invest which is the 'loop hole' that needs fixing.

Ponietz

(2,976 posts)
36. +1
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:53 PM
Jan 2022

Madison Cawthorn is a millennial. Tom Udall and others have perennially endorsed a constitutional amendment stating corporations are not people and money is not speech (the most effective way, I think, to repair our government.) 43 patriotic Senators who love their country signed one year during *’s stint.

mjvpi

(1,388 posts)
15. I hope they make each Senator vote on this. Should be used to embarrass those who don't support
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 08:46 PM
Jan 2022

But then the media needs to cover the issue. I’m 64. We can always hope. I’m calling my Senators tomorrow.

These are the kind of issues that need to be driving en home to blue collar workers.

JohnSJ

(92,216 posts)
20. Sine this will first happen in the House, it may never get to the Senate. It will be interesting
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 08:58 PM
Jan 2022

to see if it does

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
21. The bill will go nowhere.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 08:59 PM
Jan 2022

Speaker Pelosi has already said people in Congress should be able to trade stocks.

Nancy Pelosi says federal lawmakers should be able to trade stock in office: ‘This is a free market’

Despite bipartisan support for prohibiting members of Congress from buying and holding individual stocks in office, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Wednesday that lawmakers should be allowed to make trades while serving.

“We’re a free market economy,” Pelosi told reporters during a news conference. “They should be able to participate in that.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/16/nancy-pelosi-federal-lawmakers-should-be-able-to-trade-stock.html

Celerity

(43,405 posts)
24. I wonder what Speaker Pelosi thinks about this.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:03 PM
Jan 2022

Last edited Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:52 PM - Edit history (1)

Definitely her worst moment (and a huge exception from a brilliant career) as Speaker, by far IMHO:

Pelosi said it’s fine for lawmakers to trade stocks. She’s wrong.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/21/nancy-pelosi-wrong-lawmakers-trade-stocks/



House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) stunned a lot of Americans this past week when she ardently defended the right of lawmakers — and their spouses — to buy and sell stocks while they serve in Congress. “We’re a free-market economy. They should be able to participate in that,” Ms. Pelosi told reporters.

She should have advocated for tighter scrutiny on congressional trading. Even better would be a full ban on individual stock trades for members of Congress. There’s a big catch to Ms. Pelosi’s “free-market economy” claim: U.S. representatives and senators have access to a lot of confidential, nonpublic information. That gives them an unfair advantage in trading.

Walter Shaub, former director of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics, put it this way in a tweet: “It’s a ridiculous comment! She might as well have said ‘let them eat cake.’ Sure, it’s a free-market economy. But your average [person] doesn’t get confidential briefings from government experts chock full of nonpublic information directly related to the price of stocks.”

When members of the general public trade on nonpublic information, they go to jail for it. It’s theoretically possible to go after members of Congress for trading on insider information as well, but that has proved extremely difficult.









House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Loads Call Options In Alphabet, Micron, Roblox, Salesforce And Disney

Dec 30, 2021

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-loads-call-options-in-alphabet-micron-roblox-salesforce-and-disney/ar-AASi0jt

The Democratic majority leader seems to be keeping busy while Congress is in recess for the holidays. U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi purchased millions of dollars worth of call options between Dec. 17 and Dec. 21.

Pelosi bought call options in Alphabet Inc (NASDAQ: GOOG), Micron Technology Inc (NASDAQ: MU), Roblox Corp (NYSE: RBLX), Salesforce.com Inc (NYSE: CRM) and The Walt Disney Co (NYSE: DIS), according to financial disclosures published Thursday.

Pelosi has repeatedly insisted that members of Congress should be allowed to trade individual stocks.

It's something that she has benefited from in the past, most notably through her purchase of Tesla Inc (NASDAQ: TSLA) call options at the beginning of the year.

snip

crickets

(25,981 posts)
30. I have loads of respect for Nancy Pelosi, but on this issue I agree that she is so wrong.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:20 PM
Jan 2022

Thanks for the links.

Old Okie

(145 posts)
53. Stocks
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jan 2022

Federal employees are not allowed to buy stocks in industries they regulate so why should Congress be allowed to own individual stocks since the actions they take impact everything and they get classified briefings on issues (like covid19) which the general public does not have access. We have had too many cases of insider trading by politicians (such as the one he replaced) and they don't always get held accountable. It better to remove the potential for corruption rather than depending on the strong moral fiber of politicians.

crickets

(25,981 posts)
29. John Ossof is right about this issue, and it needs more push from constituents.
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 09:17 PM
Jan 2022

Tweet disappeared, found links.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-ossoff-stock-trade-ban-members-of-congress-pelosi-2022-1

The ethics bill — which the 34-year-old freshman Democratic senator reportedly hopes to file once he has a Republican cosponsor — would tackle legislative conflicts of interest by banning members and their families from trading stocks, according to a source in Washington DC with knowledge of the matter.

In addition, the legislation would likely mandate that lawmakers place their financial assets in blind trusts — an action that Ossoff took himself after being elected to the Senate in a January 2021 runoff election. [snip]

According to a December survey conducted by the conservative group Convention of States Action, 76 percent of voters give a thumbs down to lawmakers and their spouses trading stocks — with the opinion that those individuals have garnered an "unfair advantage" in the stock market — while only 5 percent of voters were fine with the practice.


You don't think Ossoff will find a Repub co-sponsor? He just might.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/08/jon-ossoff-could-snub-nancy-pelosi-with-ban-on-congress-stock-trades/

Ossoff’s forthcoming bill would be stricter by closing the spouse loophole, the source said. That would put the new bill more in line with a bipartisan House proposal called the TRUST In Congress Act, which would ban close family members from trading and is supported by Democrats including Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-VA), Rep. Mondaire Jones (D-NY) and Karen Bass (D-Calif.), as well as Republicans like Roy, Cloud, Scott Perry (R-Pa.) and Fred Keller (R-Pa.). [snip]

Insiders say that Republicans in the Senate could fold and support an Ossoff-style bill if they feel political pressure. One person applying such pressure is Arizona Republican Senate primary candidate Blake Masters, who says both Pelosi and Senate Republicans are “wrong” about the issue.

“These lawmakers are just out of touch with how normal people view the situation,” Masters told The Post. “Members of Congress should not be buying call options on Big Tech companies they’re in charge of regulating, that is ludicrous.” [snip]

“David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler lost their seats, I think, because of the allegations of insider trading,” Holman told The Post. “Had those allegations not happened, I suspect the Republicans would’ve held onto the senate.”


https://www.businessinsider.com/conflicted-congress-key-findings-stock-act-finances-investing-2021-12

But in Washington, DC, a bipartisan phenomenon is thriving. Numerous members of Congress, both liberal and conservative, are united in their demonstrated indifference toward a law designed to quash corruption and curb conflicts-of-interest.

Insider's new investigative reporting project, "Conflicted Congress," chronicles the myriad ways members of the US House and Senate have eviscerated their own ethical standards, avoided consequences, and blinded Americans to the many moments when lawmakers' personal finances clash with their public duties. [snip]

Insider's "Conflicted Congress" is also rating every member of Congress on their financial conflicts and commitment to financial transparency. Thirteen senators and House members have received a red "danger" rating on our three-tier stoplight scale, while 113 get a yellow "borderline" rating.

Finally, Insider published an exclusive, searchable, and sortable database of all members of Congress' personal finances, including their assets, debts, and sources of outside income. (Data geeks rejoice!)

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
66. That is the part of his platform that I was most excited about
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 07:39 PM
Jan 2022

Without reform in this area, the stock market is mostly a criminal enterprise.

JohnSJ

(92,216 posts)
39. It has. Someone mentioned Elizabeth Warren introduced something like this previously, but it didn't
Sun Jan 9, 2022, 10:03 PM
Jan 2022

pass

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
51. Hooray for Jon Ossoff.............
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jan 2022

Thank you, Jon Ossoff........if someone thinks this is the same as a mandated retirement fund, they are crazy. I worked for the state for many years and always paid into a retirement fund. I am retired now and with health problems am so glad I did. Some people are so mean!!

Prospero1

(83 posts)
55. This has always bothered me.
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:22 PM
Jan 2022

Lawyers and judges must avoid conflicts of interest when administering the law. Shouldn't those who MAKE the laws be held to at least the same standard?

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
58. Also need a law making it a criminal offense for them to be engaged in
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:40 PM
Jan 2022

knowingly committing insider trading by passing on information that has not been revealed to the public beforehand to anyone for financial gain.

bucolic_frolic

(43,175 posts)
60. There are ETF's, mutual funds, arm's length advisors, and blind trusts for public servants
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 02:55 PM
Jan 2022

to invest in. Would greatly reduce the incentive for trading on privileged info. Maybe Congress should have its own financial refuge for Capitol Hill assets?

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
61. Repubs been trading for decades
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 03:10 PM
Jan 2022

Even blatant insider trading, and no one said squat. But the Goopers think they can use a half truth to attack Pelosi.
This will not pass because insider trading and bribery makes GOP congress critters rich..

Pinback

(12,155 posts)
62. Good! Proud of my Senator. And
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 03:46 PM
Jan 2022

this is a good reminder that both of Georgia’s previous Republican Senators were crooks who benefited from insider trading while in office. And now one of those assholes wants to be our governor.

mahina

(17,663 posts)
64. On its face it sounds reasonable but then when you think about it
Mon Jan 10, 2022, 07:12 PM
Jan 2022

There are some obvious downsides too.

It would shrink the pool of people who will be willing to do the work. Why should they be excluded win or if? They could have it run in a blind trust or some other way that precludes inside dealing

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