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Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:14 PM

These are not smart people and they went too far.

There is no stopping The DOJ investigation now. This investigation is going to grow into one of the biggest investigations in our history.

Trump and his cronies involved too many stupid people in their stupid, foolish attempt to keep Trump in power. Many people who have been charged with serious crimes are going to talk to save their own asses. Their phones, computers have been confiscated.

Trump and his cronies should be very worried.

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Reply These are not smart people and they went too far. (Original post)
fightforfreedom Jan 13 OP
ShazzieB Jan 13 #1
monkeyman1 Jan 13 #19
cilla4progress Jan 13 #2
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 13 #11
ProfessorGAC Jan 14 #45
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 14 #46
ProfessorGAC Jan 14 #47
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 14 #48
ProfessorGAC Jan 14 #49
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 14 #53
ProfessorGAC Jan 14 #54
2Gingersnaps Jan 14 #51
abqtommy Jan 13 #3
DinahMoeHum Jan 13 #12
OnDoutside Jan 13 #4
bucolic_frolic Jan 13 #5
AllaN01Bear Jan 13 #21
dchill Jan 13 #6
Duppers Jan 13 #8
sop Jan 13 #7
90-percent Jan 13 #28
Dan Jan 13 #9
LoisB Jan 13 #10
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 13 #13
paleotn Jan 13 #14
slumcamper Jan 13 #15
DBoon Jan 13 #20
90-percent Jan 13 #30
Laura PourMeADrink Jan 14 #43
Chin music Jan 13 #16
bucolic_frolic Jan 13 #17
Gore1FL Jan 13 #18
Initech Jan 13 #22
PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 13 #23
Joinfortmill Jan 13 #24
NoMoreRepugs Jan 13 #25
Scrivener7 Jan 14 #33
zaj Jan 13 #26
calimary Jan 13 #27
Laura PourMeADrink Jan 14 #44
GoodRaisin Jan 13 #29
malaise Jan 13 #31
malaise Jan 13 #32
zipplewrath Jan 14 #34
RFCalifornia Jan 14 #36
RFCalifornia Jan 14 #35
pwb Jan 14 #37
fightforfreedom Jan 14 #39
garybeck Jan 14 #38
VEGANGTA Jan 14 #40
KS Toronado Jan 14 #42
Sogo Jan 14 #52
BlueJac Jan 14 #41
Mr. Ected Jan 14 #50
Mr.Bill Jan 14 #55

Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:18 PM

1. I absolutely agree with this.

Things are picking up momentum and building to an avalanche.

Please pass the popcorn.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:22 PM

19. I might go out & buy me a big screen tv ?

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:20 PM

2. They sure seem incredibly stupid

to me...

I guess the electorate (Rs) are even stupider...

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:55 PM

11. They thought they'd win the insurrection. If they won there'd be no charges except lectern dude. .nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:20 PM

45. Totally Agree

They thought they'd succeed!
There would be no charges as they'd be hailed as patriots & heroes.
As the OP stated, there were stupid, gullible people involved in this.
Thinking that after 80 million people voted for the other guy, participating in an insurrection over several thousand votes in a few states, carried no consequences is appallingly stupid.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:27 PM

46. Who is more stupid? Hero-wannabes attacking Capitol Police, or power-drunk Qonners who sent them?

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:44 PM

47. Is The Answer "Yes"?

It's like asking "Which weighs more, a ton or 2,000 pounds?"

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 03:54 PM

48. A ton weighs more


A long ton weighs more than a metric ton weighs more than 2,000 pounds.


In the United Kingdom, the (Imperial) ton is a statute measure, defined as 2,240 pounds (about 1,016 kg) also known as a long ton.

Internationally, a metric ton, or tonne, is 2204.6 pounds.

In the United States and Canada,[2] a ton is defined to be 2,000 pounds (907.18474 kg), aka short ton.


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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 04:50 PM

49. You Knew What I Meant

I was a scientist. I worked in the metric world for nearly 5 decades.
The ton I was joking about weighs 2,000 pounds avoirdupois.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:55 PM

53. Sometimes I play a joke straight and hand you the leg you pulled :)


I knew you'd be familiar with the metric system. There are three countries that are not mostly metric: USA, Liberia, and Myanmar.

If Biden really wanted to put the science/anti-science divide front and center for 2024, he should announce December 2022 that the US will begin completion of the conversion to metric that Reagan started and that the US Army fully endorses.




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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:28 PM

54. England Is Mixed

Been there 30 something times. First time I was there I was surprised the cars were in MPH, the road signs were in miles [or a sign saying "Shoulder Narrows 600 Yards"]
Went to the supermarket near the site where I was working & meat was sold £/pound. Pretty surprised.
But, then someone would mention mass & it would be in kg or metric tonnes. Same person would say their daily drive to work was 12 miles.
Go figure!

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:17 PM

51. The head Oaf Keeper, Stewart Rhodes,

is a Yale educated attorney.....who shot himself in the eye. So much for "Derp! If we were gonna do an insurrection we woulda brought guns!"

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:20 PM

3. I agree, but stupid people can be very dangerous so let's keep a sharp eye on them.

Welcome to DU, hope to see more of you.

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Response to abqtommy (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:56 PM

12. +1000s

n/t

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:20 PM

4. Time.

Time is the enemy of justice unfortunately.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:20 PM

5. That's why they wanted to get the first 750 out of the way with easy-peasey plea bargains

There is simply not enough time or resources to do otherwise.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:31 PM

21. those in my mind were gotya charges . had to charge them with something.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:22 PM

6. Agree - time is of the essence. We're running out.

We have a SCOTUS that's willing to sentence us to death.

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Response to dchill (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:31 PM

8. Significant statement.

And factual. 👍

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:23 PM

7. The Seditious Conspiracy law was seemingly written for Trump and all his henchmen.

"§2384. Seditious conspiracy: If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

When these Oath Keepers realize what a mess they're in, flipping on Trump may be their only hope. Let's go Garland!

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Response to sop (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:32 PM

28. The Seditious Conspiracy law

I thought it would have been from the early 1800's, but it looks like it's writing started in 1948


THE SAME YEAR OF TFG'S BIRTH.

But, the above is dis information. He was born in 1946.

Still. "The Seditious Conspiracy law" will be known in history as the Trump crimes against the Constitution law. Hopefully to be given a snappier name via late night talk show hosts.

I was thinking of a Dem clever enough to come up with something for the ages and the best of the best is Al Franken.

-90% Jimmy,

biting my tongue to zip it about my Al's relationship with the Democratic party. It would make a good what-if Twilight Zone episode if he had stayed. (been binge recording TZ's. not only nostalgic, but created by the finest hollywood show biz craftsmen of the era. the only way back then was the only way. no super tools like pc's and 3d printing and so on.)

And, actually, Stewie's time machine could simulate that exact scenario. Run with it, Seth!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:47 PM

9. I don't know why you say that "...involved too many stupid people...".

When the one in charge is stupid, what did you think the rest would be?

Aside from those that were self-serving…

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:54 PM

10. I want to see Trump, Stone, Bannon, Hawley, Gosar, Boebart, Greene and the rest of them in

prison stripes.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 05:57 PM

13. Welcome to DU. Great OP and well written too. . . . nt

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:01 PM

14. They used electronic communication extensively. Dumb is right.

If you win, no worries. But the chances are great you'll lose. And if you do, rest assured, nothing on the interwebs ever truly goes away.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:13 PM

15. Salient point: cell phone & computers

Digital evidence is enormous.

Imagine if Nixon--or Reagan in Iran-Contra--had left an evidentiary trail of emails or cell messages. Even if possible, at that time the utility of it was unknown.

A major aspect of the problem is that we are in completely, uncharted territory. The vast scope of evidentiary material is unlike anything our system of government has ever managed.

Question: From a real-life, work perspective, does DOJ have the capacity to do the work?

Is this not a fundamental consideration?

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Response to slumcamper (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:29 PM

20. I bet they have at least 15 years experience handling cell phone and computer records

Think of all the white collar crime that gets investigated.

Any financial fraud case would involve large amounts of digital data

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Response to slumcamper (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:53 PM

30. not to mention

the 1/6 committee should hire "electronic forensic detectives" (there's a better word, maybe.)

and spend in the same blank check fashion as the Iraq Invasion of 2003.

like, do it as current cut throat mega-corporations do - hire all their "cyber best hackers in the world" tech's. CIA incompetently murders those that won't relo.

losing our right to privacy will have been worth it if TFG'S circle of corrupt nazi's are brought down by our tech gizmos continually making themselves our masters.. See the "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge" Asimov quote.

-90% Jimmy

crammer and coherence were just a few of the many things i missed that day.

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Response to slumcamper (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:30 PM

43. You are exactly right. And it's not just the volume its

The tracking and corroborating too. Where someone might have talked about arming up before 1-6, you have to determine if they were really actually there, and seen with a gun...and then check to see if they told someone else they wouldn't arm up. Might be poor example but you get the drift.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:19 PM

17. Stone is a direct line backwards to Nixon White House

Gathering cronies for 50 years and still playing the same game.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:21 PM

18. I submit some were smart people. They simply couldn't control the stupid among them.

They were agitated. That got them to act. They were never going to, as a whole, act in a controlled or organized fashion to pull anything off.

It would have taken enjoinment by the military to succeed, I suspect.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:34 PM

22. I still want to know who on the inside was helping them.

Time to out these traitors and expel and arrest them!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 07:39 PM

23. I'm still waiting for actual indictments, arrests, trials, and jail time.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 07:41 PM

24. This is why Joe Biden chose Merrick Garland

He's an impeccable jurist with an impeccable reputation.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 07:53 PM

25. Name me someone in the Repug camp that isn't stupid.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:08 AM

33. Putin.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 07:53 PM

26. The problem is that Trump/Bannon/Putin unleased "Trumpism"

They have moved the "Overton Window" within the wealthiest and 2nd largest political party in the nation to fully embrace Putin's facist oligarcy authoritarian governance.

They have 70% of their party fully bought in and the remaining 30% of willing to look the other way because "Democrats are worse".

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 07:56 PM

27. Welcome to DU, fightforfreedom!

I think a lot of it is hubris.

I suspect they all think there's some sort of magic cloak that flows from FailedCoupGuy's shoulders to cover them all, and because they're so sure they're righteously right. Which, of course, WE in RealityLand know is NOT true.

I also suspect they're assuming he'll swoop in and rescue them from having to face charges. To which I'd say "Wrong AGAIN!" He's way too busy trying to keep himself out of the heat.

But desperation can make one do stupid things. It's very likely that's what'll trip him up. I don't think he's ever faced REAL hot water THIS hot, or this close.

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Response to calimary (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:38 PM

44. I agree with that! All we really know is that they took

This ball thrown by trump and ran with it

https://www.justsecurity.org/79446/the-absence-of-the-donald/


On the day that President Trump tweeted to come to DC on Jan. 6 and it “will be wild!,” Williams wrote “THE TWEET HAS BEEN SENT!!! JAN 6TH!!!” accompanied by a meme with text “ONE TWEET AND PATRIOTS WILL DESCEND ON WASHINGTON LIKE A BIBLICAL PLAGUE.”

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:50 PM

29. Yep. This is how you get to the kingpins.

Justice moves a little slow sometimes, but plenty of time in this case.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:55 PM

31. Correct is right

Rec

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 08:55 PM

32. Correct is right

Rec

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:46 PM

34. I don't know

This has the feeling of "Fitzmas". Alot of accusations but short on actual results.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:50 PM

36. I feel ya

Or Mueller time, or any of the other times we thought we won

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:47 PM

35. Ojala, Inshallah, So mote it be and so on

But I am not an optimist about these things

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:52 PM

37. Lots more to come.

It feels good doesn't it?

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Response to pwb (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:58 PM

39. It sure does.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:57 PM

38. invest in popcorn. n/t

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:00 PM

40. Election season

I was wondering if all the investigations and indictments were paced out to occur during the mid-term election news cycle? Seems like a smart strategy.

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Response to VEGANGTA (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:56 PM

42. Welcome to DU!

It would be a smart strategy if we had planned it, but my gut feeling is as slow as the Wheels of Justice
can turn in regards to such a huge case to investigate, it's simply working out to our advantage.

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Response to VEGANGTA (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 05:23 PM

52. No, opposite to that. It would trigger the DOJ's protocol

to not operate too close to elections for fear of appearing partisan. Comey was the BIG exception to that, and he tried to explain it away....

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:35 PM

41. I will patiently wait and see how far this goes!

Hoping for great success!

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 04:53 PM

50. I guess this is what happens when you live in an echo chamber

Most of these fools heard the same message at the dinner table, workplace, church, on TV, on the radio. All telling them not to trust the information being dispensed by their hated rivals, the Liberals. Years and years and decades of this will embolden you to do things that you might not have otherwise done had you accessed REALITY in your life just once.

Add to this mix one Donald J Trump and you have the recipe for 20 years of incarceration or more in the federal penitentiary.

Bet Tucker never mentioned that, eh?

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Response to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:35 PM

55. I just hope I see some convictions

before I die of old age. I'm 68.

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