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Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:38 PM

If we can't use OSHA to force vaccinations, perhaps interstate travel is the way to go.

I always felt OSHA was iffy from a Supreme Court standpoint, and if upheld could have significant blowback when the Republicans get control again. In any event it's a moot point now anyway.


Now we need to look at Buses, Planes, Highway State line crossing etc.

Perhaps High Rest areas (this has been tested with TSA)

Another possibility is Drivers license and Car registration dependent on vaccination.



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Reply If we can't use OSHA to force vaccinations, perhaps interstate travel is the way to go. (Original post)
fescuerescue Jan 2022 OP
PortTack Jan 2022 #1
SoonerPride Jan 2022 #2
uponit7771 Jan 2022 #5
former9thward Jan 2022 #8
democrattotheend Jan 2022 #12
0rganism Jan 2022 #3
manicdem Jan 2022 #4
boston bean Jan 2022 #11
fescuerescue Jan 2022 #15
Angleae Jan 2022 #6
fescuerescue Jan 2022 #7
Ace Rothstein Jan 2022 #9
fescuerescue Jan 2022 #14
GregariousGroundhog Jan 2022 #10
fescuerescue Jan 2022 #13

Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:42 PM

1. Good ideas

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:45 PM

2. At this point I think it is a lost cause.

Those that want the vaccine will get it and those that do not want it simply won't do it.

"Lead a horse to water" and all the other aphorisms you can think of that apply here.

Take care of yourself and your loved ones and let the antivax crowd get sick and die off.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 07:01 PM

5. Then those people need to be isolated and put to the side so the rest of us can go on with life

... and science.

Someone's convinced them they're right about the vaccine and they have a vested interest in not taking it, let them have at it

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:17 PM

8. Vaxers and anti vaxers are both getting sick.

Yes, the vaxers less so and with less effects. But the die rate is less than 1% so they will not die off in any significant numbers.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:00 PM

12. Exactly

At this point the vaccines aren't doing much if anything to stop transmission, so I don't think there's much of a basis for mandating the vaccines to control the spread. I'm sympathetic to the argument that the unvaccinated are more likely to burden the healthcare system, but I think mandates on that basis are a dangerous precedent that could enable the government to try to control all sorts of things that burden the healthcare system. In any event, reducing the burden on hospitals is well outside the purview of OSHA (or the DMV or DOT for that matter).

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:49 PM

3. of course, Republicans will want to use such measures to block access to contraception

they'll come up with something like "no interstate travel if your pregnant"
we're headed to a very dark place

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:57 PM

4. Election loser

This would sink the economy. Ruin tourism. Worsen supply chain problems. People going to work over the borders. It's interrupting free travel. And lots of other stuff.

Mist of the antivax are republicans, but not all. There's many democrats and independents going without the vax. The black population has one of the lowest vax rates.

It would be very bad to do this.

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Response to manicdem (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:51 PM

11. How about the majority of us not doing this because of the anti vax yahoos?

Domestic flying should require full vaccination.

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Response to manicdem (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 18, 2022, 03:17 PM

15. There is no point in winning elections

If we don't do the right thing we win.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:28 AM

6. Papers please.

That's what republicans will be saying over and over during the next election if this comes true. Also, drivers licenses and car registrations are state-level only, the feds have no say.

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Response to Angleae (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:09 PM

7. They always say that. who cares what they say.

They don't vote correctly anyway.

You are correct about state level, but there are easy work arounds that have been proven.

Withholding Highway funds unless the states comply is an oldie but goodie.

This was used for the Moto-voter bill as well as raising the drinking age to 21.

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:43 PM

9. I think we're done seeing any sort of new mandate at the national level.

They are a loser politically and we're in an election year.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:11 PM

14. What's the point in getting elected

If you donít use that election to take care of people?

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Response to fescuerescue (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:47 PM

10. Car registration has minimal to no nexus to interstate travel, so that's not likely viable

Requiring vaccination to board Planes, Trains, and Busses that cross state lines would be viable as long as there is some legislative language that allows the executive to enforce it. It would be difficult for a states to successfully argue against it.

Driver licenses and car registrations are handled by individual states; powers not enumerated by the Constitution to the federal government and reserved by the states and I suspect states like Florida and Texas would make a strong argument that their powers are being unconstitutionally usurped.

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Response to GregariousGroundhog (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:10 PM

13. Just withhold highway funding

Until the state complies.

This has worked plenty of times in the past.

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