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fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:38 PM Jan 2022

If we can't use OSHA to force vaccinations, perhaps interstate travel is the way to go.

I always felt OSHA was iffy from a Supreme Court standpoint, and if upheld could have significant blowback when the Republicans get control again. In any event it's a moot point now anyway.


Now we need to look at Buses, Planes, Highway State line crossing etc.

Perhaps High Rest areas (this has been tested with TSA)

Another possibility is Drivers license and Car registration dependent on vaccination.



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If we can't use OSHA to force vaccinations, perhaps interstate travel is the way to go. (Original Post) fescuerescue Jan 2022 OP
Good ideas PortTack Jan 2022 #1
At this point I think it is a lost cause. SoonerPride Jan 2022 #2
Then those people need to be isolated and put to the side so the rest of us can go on with life uponit7771 Jan 2022 #5
Vaxers and anti vaxers are both getting sick. former9thward Jan 2022 #8
Exactly democrattotheend Jan 2022 #12
of course, Republicans will want to use such measures to block access to contraception 0rganism Jan 2022 #3
Election loser manicdem Jan 2022 #4
How about the majority of us not doing this because of the anti vax yahoos? boston bean Jan 2022 #11
There is no point in winning elections fescuerescue Jan 2022 #15
Papers please. Angleae Jan 2022 #6
They always say that. who cares what they say. fescuerescue Jan 2022 #7
I think we're done seeing any sort of new mandate at the national level. Ace Rothstein Jan 2022 #9
What's the point in getting elected fescuerescue Jan 2022 #14
Car registration has minimal to no nexus to interstate travel, so that's not likely viable GregariousGroundhog Jan 2022 #10
Just withhold highway funding fescuerescue Jan 2022 #13

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
2. At this point I think it is a lost cause.
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:45 PM
Jan 2022

Those that want the vaccine will get it and those that do not want it simply won't do it.

"Lead a horse to water" and all the other aphorisms you can think of that apply here.

Take care of yourself and your loved ones and let the antivax crowd get sick and die off.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
5. Then those people need to be isolated and put to the side so the rest of us can go on with life
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 07:01 PM
Jan 2022

... and science.

Someone's convinced them they're right about the vaccine and they have a vested interest in not taking it, let them have at it

former9thward

(31,805 posts)
8. Vaxers and anti vaxers are both getting sick.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:17 PM
Jan 2022

Yes, the vaxers less so and with less effects. But the die rate is less than 1% so they will not die off in any significant numbers.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
12. Exactly
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 02:00 PM
Jan 2022

At this point the vaccines aren't doing much if anything to stop transmission, so I don't think there's much of a basis for mandating the vaccines to control the spread. I'm sympathetic to the argument that the unvaccinated are more likely to burden the healthcare system, but I think mandates on that basis are a dangerous precedent that could enable the government to try to control all sorts of things that burden the healthcare system. In any event, reducing the burden on hospitals is well outside the purview of OSHA (or the DMV or DOT for that matter).

0rganism

(23,856 posts)
3. of course, Republicans will want to use such measures to block access to contraception
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:49 PM
Jan 2022

they'll come up with something like "no interstate travel if your pregnant"
we're headed to a very dark place

manicdem

(386 posts)
4. Election loser
Thu Jan 13, 2022, 06:57 PM
Jan 2022

This would sink the economy. Ruin tourism. Worsen supply chain problems. People going to work over the borders. It's interrupting free travel. And lots of other stuff.

Mist of the antivax are republicans, but not all. There's many democrats and independents going without the vax. The black population has one of the lowest vax rates.

It would be very bad to do this.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
11. How about the majority of us not doing this because of the anti vax yahoos?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:51 PM
Jan 2022

Domestic flying should require full vaccination.

Angleae

(4,469 posts)
6. Papers please.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:28 AM
Jan 2022

That's what republicans will be saying over and over during the next election if this comes true. Also, drivers licenses and car registrations are state-level only, the feds have no say.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
7. They always say that. who cares what they say.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:09 PM
Jan 2022

They don't vote correctly anyway.

You are correct about state level, but there are easy work arounds that have been proven.

Withholding Highway funds unless the states comply is an oldie but goodie.

This was used for the Moto-voter bill as well as raising the drinking age to 21.

Ace Rothstein

(3,109 posts)
9. I think we're done seeing any sort of new mandate at the national level.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:43 PM
Jan 2022

They are a loser politically and we're in an election year.

GregariousGroundhog

(7,498 posts)
10. Car registration has minimal to no nexus to interstate travel, so that's not likely viable
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:47 PM
Jan 2022

Requiring vaccination to board Planes, Trains, and Busses that cross state lines would be viable as long as there is some legislative language that allows the executive to enforce it. It would be difficult for a states to successfully argue against it.

Driver licenses and car registrations are handled by individual states; powers not enumerated by the Constitution to the federal government and reserved by the states and I suspect states like Florida and Texas would make a strong argument that their powers are being unconstitutionally usurped.

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