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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGuy at tire dealership told me we don't need vaccines
I said fine cancel the work just toss tires in the bed of pickup Ill take them to dr fauci and have him mount and balance them.
Life in Pennsylvania rural magastan I was only one with mask In waiting area and just fuck it.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)He might be a little busy tho, just saying
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)a short guy who chooses basketball as his sport.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)On Edit...Harry Ried was a boxer. Harry Ried was the LAST PERSON I would put money on to win any match...apparently, he was a fucking monster.
Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)performed by Harry Reid was running the Mafia out of Las Vegas when he was Gaming Commissioner.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)There are three paths to power in nevada--
You're either born to money, mormon, or mobbed up.
Harry was born broke, and prosecuted the mob bosses. The only thing LEFT was for him to become Mormon.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)with a one iron in his golf bag. You never play that kid for money.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)nt
Walleye
(31,017 posts)Volaris
(10,270 posts)Walleye
(31,017 posts)SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)(Yeah, I listened to a LOT of Jean Shepherd while I was growing up in NY!)
PCIntern
(25,544 posts)1000 Shep shows. Many Limelight shows in entirety. Hello fellow Night Person
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)I have all of the episodes fromThe Brass Figlagee podcast, and grab whatever I can from the Silent Shep YouTube channel.
I was listening to one of the shows at work a few years ago (before I got retired). It was his second 'name show', where he invited people to send in a postcard with your name and he would read them on-air. As I'm listening I hear a familiar name - mine! So here I am, half a century later, on the opposite coast, and I hear my name on a podcast.
It all comes flooding back...
I'm this kid, see, living just over the border of the Bronx in Mount Vernon. Devoted Shep listener, I had turned a friend on to him, too. We both sent in cards. In addition to my name I asked when his next book was coming out...he replied, "Soon". My friend said, "I fly, too" (we were both in the Civil Air Patrol).
Shep's response to that?
"Well, yeah, kid, but I use an airplane."
Good times.
PCIntern
(25,544 posts)There are sellers who sell CDs or DVDs with hundreds and hundreds of audio tracks. I thought I had all the ones that were available until this guy in my practice gave me a thumb drive which had 300 shows that Ive never heard of. Apparently, a lot of jazz musicians used to routinely tape his broadcast because his riffs were like verbal jazz. Its funny how creative brilliant minds think, and I can sort of see what they mean in a primitive way.
When I was a kid I would fall sleep and be so upset that I had not heard the end of the show and literally hundreds of these tracks allowed me to have closure on broadcasts that I just wrote off as having no hope of ever hearing the conclusions. Sorry about that ridiculous sentence, but I have to dictate, stuck in traffic.
Excelsior!
Aristus
(66,329 posts)But then, I've never been capable of thinking down to that level, so how could I know?
madeup64
(257 posts)All the people that cling to these alternative means of treating covid like bleach, piss, ivermectin, UV lighting all come across to me as desperate attempts to avoid admitting they were wrong about the vaccines. It feels like they care more about being right and being able to "own the libs." They want to be able to say "See we never needed the vaccines this whole time, God already provided what we needed; piss flavored horse paste."
aggiesal
(8,914 posts)then admit that Democrats are correct on just about all subjects.
In this case, admitting that we don't need vaccines, he/she is looking for confirmation about their beliefs.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)It wasnt even that much of a mistake. He just wasnt up-to-date on the current hurricane projection. Easy enough thing to admit to
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Response to Walleye (Reply #2)
Claire Oh Nette This message was self-deleted by its author.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)if speaking to a fellow ignoramus, or pissing off the sane among us.
Win-win!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Paladin
(28,256 posts)There were always stupid people, but they had just enough self-awareness to stay quiet. That is obviously no longer how things work. The damage that trump has done, and continues to do, is stomach-turning.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)Just reading about the kid in Philadelphia who had to go against his parents and get the vaccine on the down low. When his parents found out he split with the aunt and help the kid. So I guess they have determined That this phony politics is more important than their actual family
Paladin
(28,256 posts)I'm not convinced it's going to happen.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)multigraincracker
(32,675 posts)He is a smart guy.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)Thats the response to people like the tire guy .Then wait for his deer in the headlights reaction.
oldsoftie
(12,533 posts)I always thought that if HE came out & told his people to get it, they would. Not only has he told them HE got it & the booster, but he also has told them WHY they should take it and how many lives have likely been saved.
And they boo him. Some are even posting that he's been "bought off" by the drug companies. I dont know who the hell they think they'll find thats MORE trumpier than trump, but i guess thats what they're shooting for
Diamond_Dog
(31,992 posts)We sure dont need to be supporting the businesses of these assholes.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Walleye
(31,017 posts)MissMillie
(38,556 posts).
PortTack
(32,764 posts)Exhausted with this shit
Duncanpup
(12,842 posts)So big deal if I am only one wearing mask
WHITT
(2,868 posts)It's clowns like him that a short time later are pictured in a hospital bed, seriously sick with covid, begging the doctor for the vaccine, which of course won't help at that point.
Initech
(100,068 posts)And it's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when".
lastlib
(23,224 posts)Somebody good with graphics should create some kind of trophy, and maybe put Herman Cain's pic on it--call it "the Herman Award," and give it to any anti-vaxxer who dies of COVID.
Kind of a parallel to the Darwin Award, only for COVID.
Initech
(100,068 posts)They don't have an official trophy yet but I think that would be worth suggesting!
Initech
(100,068 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)barbtries
(28,793 posts)I couldn't find a pest control company who could guarantee the tech would be vaxxed. All I could do is insist on masking up in my house. Frustrating.
hlthe2b
(102,248 posts)and businesses I frequent and I let them know right off that a very low or very high rating is largely driven by observed measures taken to protect both customers and workers against COVID. While I live in an area that still has mask mandates in place (thank the goddess), there is still variation in terms of their enforcing with customers and strict compliance with employees.
Someone is reading them from at least a few companies, as I have gotten responses back, including occasional requests for more information.
I'd suggest everyone start doing similarly.
Farmer-Rick
(10,169 posts)I like leaving reviews. Though I rarely get responses.
And I appreciate the folks who leave accurate reviews. They make it a bit easier to pick a good service.
bucolic_frolic
(43,155 posts)I assume you can use any rural zip code?
Asking because I'd bet some USPS would get a chuckle from it
madeup64
(257 posts)Magastan or "The Magaverse?"
ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)They both suck!
calimary
(81,238 posts)And when you do, tell BOTH the old one AND the new one why youre changing where you do business.
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)MLAA
(17,288 posts)Had a dental cleaning last week. Ive been to that hygienist for about 1 year. The Dentist was very cautious and closed the office for a few months early on. Then implemented strict safety procedures when reopening including waiting in your car until called to come in. After a quick hello I asked if the hygienist was boosted, expecting an answer of of course. Instead she deflected by answering Im good. When I pressed she said she was vaxxed but not boosted but she had an N95 mask and a shield so she was good. I said you might be good but Im not good Im 60 with no health issues so I would probably get by with mild symptoms but then I would give it to my 86 year old husband with respiratory and heart issues so charge me if you need to but I wont be staying. The office manager came in and said the Dentist and herself were the only ones boosted in the office (there are probably 4 other employees). She said she understood and I would not be charged.
Orrex
(63,208 posts)I said "Have you been tested?"
"I called my doctor," she said.
"Great. Have you been tested?"
"It's not covid," she scoffed. "It's a cold. Or that omicron."
"You'll have to reschedule."
MLAA
(17,288 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)Ya Ya..Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck
Orrex
(63,208 posts)My company may have had some missteps in its handling of covid, but one thing it's gotten 100% correct is that it fully backs an employee who refuses to enter a site that he deems unsafe.
They might simply send another tech who doesn't share those concerns, but there's no blowback on anyone who taps out.
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)madeup64
(257 posts)The only surprising part is after she said, "It's not covid. It's a cold. Or that omicron." I'm surprised she didn't say, "But I'll be fine cuz thankfully Trump got rid of Obamacare and gave us the Affordable Care Act and it's the best insurance I've ever had."
Orrex
(63,208 posts)A great many of the rural assholes are still angry that PA chose the wrong side in the civil war.
jaxexpat
(6,822 posts)I always figured the rural folks have never gotten over that cost and they want the compensation they feel is due. It's either that or "somebody" broke their unions and now they're as poor as Georgians.
YP_Yooper
(291 posts)or past Westmoreland
I do a fair amount of work in Meadville & the surrounding area, and it's a real eye-opener.
GB_RN
(2,350 posts)Duke University Hospital has 957 beds. Right at this moment, it has 305 COVID patients. Of those 305, 208 are unvaxxed. Out of those 305, 59 are in the ICU. Of those 59, 47 are unvaxxed. Of those 59, 35 are on a ventilator. Of those 35, 30 are unvaxxed. 3 ICU patients are on ECMO (Extracorporeal Membranous Oxygenation - basically, an artificial lung. COVID patients who are on ECMO are almost guaranteed dead; you're just prolonging the inevitable*). Those 3 are unvaxxed. 305/957 = 32% of the hospital's bed capacity is being utilized by COVID patients. 208/305 = 68% of those patients are unvaxxed. 80% of ICU patients are unvaxxed. 86% of the ventilator patients are unvaxxed. These numbers are from THIS MORNING. And that's just at Duke. Other hospitals in the area such as UNC, Rex, Wake Med, aren't any better. Nationally, it's just as bad.
These numbers are unsustainable, and it's just going to get worse as the Omicron wave continues, even if it's on its way down; that's because hospitalizations and deaths lag infections. The beds being taken up by the unvaxxed are causing those with needed surgeries (like critical cancer surgeries) not to be able to get them; those surgeries have been cancelled due to lack of bed space and for fear of infecting those patients. Right now, only emergency surgeries are being performed.
*I'm an ICU and Cardiac Cath lab nurse. I know what I'm talking about.
MLAA
(17,288 posts)💖💖💖💖💖💖GB_RN💖💖💖💖💖💖
And you're welcome. I'm glad I can help provide insight into what we in the healthcare field are facing...and just as importantly, how that actually affects everyone else.
OMGWTF
(3,955 posts)As a kid, I always wanted to be a nurse, so I became a Candy Striper in high school to test it out. This was back when they would allow patients to smoke in bed. I saw how hard nurses work and the enormous responsibility they have and ended up in the legal field instead. Much respect. Also, I'm guessing you were an "A+" student in your English classes.
GB_RN
(2,350 posts)Lol. As a kid in the 80s, I remember seeing patients smoking in the hospital, with nasal cannula for oxygen hooked to their faces, and family members in the rooms smoking right along with them. Docs would come in and smoke, too. Look back on it, and you're gobsmacked that anyone in their right mind would allow an open flame near O2! 🤯. It's a wonder that there weren't (more) fires and explosions in hospitals.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Let's just say that since my Dad was a college professor (Medical School), my mom was an educator and both my grandmothers were high school teachers, English grammar was pounded into my head. 😉 I did better on the verbal portion of the SAT than the math section, which is unusual for a guy...
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)I don't have exact stats - just anecdotal.
The suburban hospitals near me run about about 80%- 90% capacity on a regular basis, from the ER to the ICU - according to VP of Operations, who I know. If they get a surge of covid only admissions then they quickly get into an at or over capacity situation. Add patients in for other reasons who also have covid, which requires extra time consuming protocols.... Add in that about 10% on average of their direct medical care staff is out with Covid at any given time, and the gap widens.
There are several hospitals in about a 10 mile radius who are working together. All my doctors are at one who can do stents but not bypass. They are hitting days here and there, where they have to route ambulances with heart attack patients to another nearby suburban hospital who CAN do bypass if needed.
The VP guy told me that even in regular hospital units, they are releasing patients sooner than they should because they need the bed space for those worse. Inpatient nursing care facilities and home nursing agencies are also stretched to the max for this reason.
It is not all about covid, he said, it is just that addition burden is breaking a system that was running very tight to start with, due to the financial pressures created by a for profit system.
GB_RN
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Especially if they're in a state where there's been no expansion of Medicaid (like here in NC). They're going to be really under water with uncompensated care when this is all over with. Guaranteed. Rural hospitals here were struggling with uncompensated care before the pandemic because the state refused to expand Medicaid, and a few had permanently closed. This could break even more of them, and then that will put a bigger strain on metro hospitals.
Speaking of staffing shortages, Duke had 1300 people call out sick last week, and they were already short staffed. The budget gets stretched further by calling in travel nurses to fill in. Rural hospitals which have a hard enough time recruiting regular staff, have it even worse; they will have an even harder time getting travel RNs to come fill out staffing in out-of-the-way locations.
ERs are discharging patients straight to home, because they can't admit them to the hospital: They are staying in the ER for several days as if the ER WAS the patient's hospital room.
Yes, it's true that non-critical, non-COVID patients are also being discharged sooner than they normally would, so as to make room for COVID patients. Normal patient floors are being (re)converted to COVID isolation wards.
There are several hospitals in about a 10 mile radius who are working together. All my doctors are at one who can do stents but not bypass. They are hitting days here and there, where they have to route ambulances with heart attack patients to another nearby suburban hospital who CAN do bypass if needed
This is my area of expertise (as a CT Surgery ICU and Cath Lab RN), I can enlighten/give a bit of trivia here: There are cardiologists, interventional (or invasive) cardiologists and cardiothoracic (aka cardiac/heart) surgeons. Cardiologists just see patients. Interventional cardiologists see patients and are the guys who see/treat heart attack patients at the hospital and put in stents if possible. If not, they evaluate whether or not a patient needs cardiac bypass and make a referral to the cardiac surgeon (not every patient is a surgical candidate, even if they can't put in stents).
There's no way most rural hospitals can afford the national average salary $450k, for (at least) one surgeon, plus all the on-call surgical staff, on top of several interventional cardiologists at nearly the same pay (in order to keep a round-the-clock Cath Lab program running so as to save lives): It's cheaper to send the surgical patient who needs bypass to the closest acute care hospital (such as Duke, UNC, Johns Hopkins, etc) after stabilizing the patient in the Cath Lab.
calimary
(81,238 posts)I just need some enlightenment here.
WHY are the unvaxxed allowed to take up all (or most of) the beds in hospitals? Their willful stupidity and refusal to open their minds to truth and the well-established and provable facts is crowding out people with legitimate needs, for legitimate surgery and treatment that they've probably been forced to wait too long for. Why are we giving aid and comfort to vaccine deniers, wearing out our doctors and nurses, and probably exposing them to the virus? Why are we still so busy trying to "understand" them and being patient with them (waiting for them to wake up) and giving them cover?
WHY have we not clamped down on this?
WHY is there not a nationwide movement of "No VAX? No SERVICE!"
WHY are there no consequences for this deliberate bad behavior?
And WHY are there no consequences for outlets that freely push poison and lies and falsehoods and fake news, like Pox Noise, and the other pathetic troll centers that call themselves "news" networks? WHY isn't there a movement to challenge their licenses and/or their ownership? WHY is there no push for reinstitution the Fairness Doctrine?
The anti-vaxxer crowd is starting to cripple my ability to feel sympathy, and hardening my heart. I don't like it. And what I learned in Catholic school urges loudly against it - forgiveness and all that. But this is what's happening inside me.
GB_RN
(2,350 posts)We can't turn away patients because it's illegal to do so. Then, we have ethical reasons to treat all patients. However, once we get to the point where those who are sick to a certain point start soaking up resources that would be better served going to patients with a better chance to live, then we have an ethical mandate to start triaging care.
During the last surge in September, the entire state of Idaho went into a state of emergency that allowed hospitals to triage care and decide who got a ventilator or ICU bed, etc, based on certain factors. I don't know for certain, but vaccination status may have been in play.
If it comes to it again, vaccination status may become a factor in triaging care. If you took the risk and didn't get the shot - without a valid medical reason - then you're going to be one of the sickest of the sick, and thus, less likely to live, vs someone who did get the vaccine. In such a situation, the hospitals and docs would have to make a choice as to who should get those limited resources based on those odds. The person who didn't get the vaccine is probably going to draw the short straw.
calimary
(81,238 posts)My mom was an RN. I prize them all.
GB_RN
(2,350 posts)Trust me when I say that the way you feel about antivaxxers and the unvaxxed is probably felt somewhere on several orders of magnitude by those of us in healthcare!
On behalf of us RNs, thank you!
twodogsbarking
(9,740 posts)elleng
(130,895 posts)FakeNoose
(32,638 posts)None of the Amish are masking or getting vaccinated. They all believe it's a hoax.
When Amish people get sick and die, "it's God's will."
I'm not sure how many of them listen to Faux Noise because they aren't allowed to own TVs or computers, but they do have cellphones.
Probatim
(2,528 posts)I'm in Westmoreland - on the western border with Pennsyltucky.
10 minutes west and it's 90% mask compliance - 10 minutes east and it's 90% without masks.
Very infuriating.
Duncanpup
(12,842 posts)From western Pennsylvania
Probatim
(2,528 posts)the town of Gettysburg is as blue as it gets and that's not saying much.
llashram
(6,265 posts)KN95. The large 'box' stores also. I just always wear my mask. They can stare all they want.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Its depressing, but these idiots are proud to be defiantly stupid...and they are reinforced with their ignorance by all the other idiots saying the same stupid shit out loud.
They call us elitists, etc. its like a name calling contest. Thats what you are, what am I sorta deal. These buffoons never grew up, intellectually. They simply justify their stupid by name calling and labeling. Ever listen to fox-propaganda network?? Nearly EVERY voice on that disgusting shit hole network label us as socialists, communists, far left liberals (or libtards), etc, etc. its almost entertaining. We are not necessarily dealing with the brightest minds here. They arent uneducated necessarily, they are just mental and intellectual midgets. Name calling and labeling is all they have. Pretty sad.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)I was looking for a new car. Young salesman was wearing a mask but i had to tell him to cover his nose. first time he complied. Second time he sarcastically said "I'll wear two masks if it makes you happy". I said never mind and walked out mid deal.
Somewhat related my son (bless his heart) is and anti-vaccinator just came down with covid. Fortunately his wife convinced him to get the antidote. Hopefully it works. He is miserable and I am biting my tongue to avoid the "I told you so".
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)What do you think his wife was talking about?
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)They called it the Monoclonal antibody treatment.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)liberalguilt57
(89 posts)Life in the Alabama up the middle section of Pennsylvania is just exhausting. Exhausting! Southeastern Pennsylvania seems to think it is well below the Mason-Dixon line, and loves to fly its Confederate flags. And unfurl its ignorance. Tired of dodging vaxx-less, maskless goofballs and dealing with a fascist legislature.
YoshidaYui
(41,831 posts)now adays, especially with the new variant on the loose. Yes, vaccinated and boosted once
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)=======
Nululu
(840 posts)Marigold
(29 posts)I am originally from York County PA. What has always amazed me is that if you are white, the assumption is that you are a Christian and a Republican. So there is no compunction about asking where you go to church, how much you hate Wolf the communist, and now to spew their insanity from the internet and Fox News unprovoked. I have never understood why these people can't just keep their mouths shut. I am so glad to have left almost 20 years ago for New England, but the stupidity and hate is invading everywhere. My parents still live in York, and my husband is semi-retired with a business there. So we are fully aware of the sentiment and climate. My husband has adopted the Amish philosophy of 'bleeding the beast".
Duncanpup
(12,842 posts)Southern York county is magastan
LENNY0229
(185 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)Rebl2
(13,501 posts)Pretty much my whole state is magastan
Cha
(297,196 posts)sacred cow is Vaccinated.
elias7
(3,998 posts)DFW
(54,372 posts)Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in the middle?
I went to school in Philadelphia, and I have been to Pittsburgh, but don't the part in between at all.
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Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)rather than looking for a fight.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Kentucky in the middle.
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Jilly_in_VA
(9,966 posts)the tire guy is a real expert and has done all the research needed to know that. /s