Moore police officers step in as substitutes (teachers... one with a Q cup-UPDATE).

[demmiblue]

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Link to tweet

Ugh. Also, this (and where the hell are their masks?!)...






UPDATE:

Link to tweet

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Ugh.

[HAB911]

2. I would have some respect

if they were not in uniform

[ProfessorGAC]

6. Same Here

I don't think being in uniform is appropriate.

[GoCubsGo]

18. What's even more inappropriate

is that it appears they are still carrying their weapons. Leave your fucking guns and tasers at the precinct, you idiots.

[PTWB]

27. Why would a uniformed officer do that?

I’m more concerned with their lack of masks than the presence of a holstered weapon. Nearly every school in my district has armed, uniformed officers stationed there full time during the school year. That seems to be commonplace in school districts across the country.

[Orrex]

63. That's part of the tragedy

That the presence of armed enforcement officers is "commonplace," because they are too often called upon to enforce classroom policy rather than matters of safety, law and order.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. I wouldn't. They have no skills to be leading classrooms.

[HAB911]

70. yep, just icing on the cake

[obamanut2012]

20. Same

[lindysalsagal]

3. I've heard more than one cop say that teaching is way harder than being a cop.

These guys are obviously the exception. Thing is ,they're probably not really teaching. They're probably just covering short periods of time while the kids read or do homework.

[femmocrat]

4. This is just wrong.

I don’t know where this is, but they cannot be certified. Why not let them practice medicine or dentistry while they are at it?

[Sherman A1]

5. My thoughts exactly

And what is happening to the public safety while on-duty officers are in the classroom supposedly teaching?

[dalton99a]

9. They're babysitting

[Wednesdays]

12. Moore, Oklahoma. nt

[jcgoldie]

24. I dont know what state this is but in IL you only need a bachelors to sub

There is a tremendous dearth of qualified subs even in noncovid times. The pay is low, the responsibilities like that of a teacher minus the lesson planning... its a pretty thankless job. I would think cops would be fine for the job because most teachers do not expect subs to actually teach much. I agree with those who said they should mask up and leave their guns at home!

[ProfessorGAC]

77. Since I Retired...

...I sub in Illinois.
Districts pay $110-150 per day, for around 7 hours.
$21.40 an hour, best case isn't bad for someone like me, who doesnt need the money.
But is isn't much for someone who depends on it, especially the lower tier districts.
And around here, pay isn't correlated to affluence. The 2 most affluent districts where i go pay $110 & $115.
One of the $150 districts is lower middle income, at best.
I would estimate that i get 6-10 calls per week, despite me not doing below 6th grade, and only math & science. Yet i still get more than is possible to do.
For needing a degree of some sort, it's a pittance, despite the enormous need.

[jcgoldie]

102. You do a lot better than they do in most districts down here

I'm in a relatively large district in the metro east they only get $90 and thats about average as I understand it. For someone retired not so bad like you said, but for anyone still making a primary living... 180 days max/yr and no benefits aint so great.

[ProfessorGAC]

106. When I First Started...

...districts (a few tiny ones & 1 sizeable one) were paying 90.
Aside from me & another woman who came from money, they couldn't get anybody.
Neither of us would work more than 3 days a week, so it forced their hand. Pay went to $110-120 in all of them.

[we can do it]

72. I got attacked for suggesting this.

[sarisataka]

74. How do you know they can't be certified?

I have a teaching sub certificate and my degree is in international relations

[we can do it]

85. Why would they?

Cops make nearly as much an hour on overtime as substitute teachers make in an entire day.

[sarisataka]

94. Why wouldn't they be

I very rarely work as a sub. My day job now pays much better, however I keep my certification active and will occasionally do a day when a school is desperate.

As I said below, if the have four year degrees and it is a short term solution, I don't have a problem. Just put masks on.

[we can do it]

96. They're being paid by the PD, not low teacher pay.

If they actually were on the districts sub list, wouldn’t the School district call them in and pay them?

[sarisataka]

97. Maybe, or maybe the PD

Volunteered qualified officers. None of us know for sure.

And though who is paying is moving the goalposts a bit, I would have an issue if they are double dipping

[we can do it]

98. Article says PD was paying them on duty.

[Cracklin Charlie]

7. Unmasked.

Moore PD out with Covid in 3,2,1…

[dalton99a]

8. "What do you mean you don't understand? You want to go to jail?"

[leftyladyfrommo]

10. And not one mask. nt

[XanaDUer2]

11. Bank employees in OK get sub-teacher certifications

https://kfor-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/kfor.com/news/local/we-cant-replace-teachers-but-we-can-help-them-oklahoma-city-bank-employees-help-with-substitute-teacher-shortage/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16426035935450&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fkfor.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fwe-cant-replace-teachers-but-we-can-help-them-oklahoma-city-bank-employees-help-with-substitute-teacher-shortage%2F

Pollock told KFOR he would cover the cost of getting certified, and he’ll even pay his employees just as he would on a typical workday. It’s his way of making a difference.

“I would just tell every educator, administrator, bus driver, anybody that works in our school system,” said Pollock. “Thank you for what you do.”

Pollock said he finished his substitute application Tuesday morning for Deer Creek. He should be ready for his assignment soon.

[Diamond_Dog]

14. Yeah, teaching is easy.

Anyone can do it.

[XanaDUer2]

16. The attitude towards librarians

Is the same.

[obamanut2012]

21. Do not even get me started on that

Micro and macro snark about my profession constantly.

[XanaDUer2]

26. 35 years

Here. I was dumb enough to leave a special library for a supposedly good job in a PL. It was years of stress-inducing Hell, shitty morale, violence, chaos, broken-down buildings, lack of staff, staff-on-staff bullying, disrespectful administration . People enter this field due to reading and its low-stress aura. I tell potential librarians to think hard.

There is no librarian shortage. ALA is accrediting so many programs there's a glut. We had people with two master's degrees checking out books. All we did at reference was help with photocopying and faxing, call cops, and 911.

There was a Ph.D looking for a part-time casual clerk job. The system I left is spoiled, thus the treatment of the staff. They claim they're having a hard time getting staff now, but how?

But library schools keep churning them out

[obamanut2012]

50. Academic and Special are the way to go

But, staff are still seriously underpaid and snarked at. We are not cashiers (and, I have been a cashier, it is hard and underpaid, that isn't my point).

[Thtwudbeme]

35. oh, we are the keeper of the chromebooks now

I FINALLY have the staff at my school trained NOT to even mention copier problems to me. OR ask me to go get their damned printer paper from the small room on the other side of the school.

Love the kiddos- love YA lit- despise the system.

[XanaDUer2]

46. We couldn't demand that

Many times, you were the sole librarian in bedlam, expected to deal with every problem simultaneously. Totally understaffed to where one person out made scheduling almost impossible.

Yet, staff had to keep taking classes on resilience and how the offer "work-life" balance. Meanwhile. Librarians were coming in on days off to cover and checking emails 24/7 so they're not hit with a surprise last minute.

I've left

[Thtwudbeme]

49. I did it by passive aggressively refusing to learn how

to fix the copiers.

I am the sole librarian in bedlam, and I despise my job. I haven't left because I have two more years to get my retirement, which in the state of NC includes insurance.

There's a cute job open at a museum a mile from my house--- but, they require the librarian to wear "period clothing."

I just.can't.

[XanaDUer2]

51. You were lucky

We'd be "in trouble" for refusing any duty. Also NC. I stayed long enough to vest, plus 3 yrs. I couldn't take it anymore.

I loathed my job at the end. Never was treated so poorly and it was my 4th system.

My mental and physical health was deteriorating

[obamanut2012]

52. Same

Eight more years to a nice pension and medical and dental insurance.

[XanaDUer2]

53. I bombed out

Couldn't take it anymore

[Thtwudbeme]

54. Don't think of it like that-

Seriously- you didn't bomb out.

I am sitting at home praying the ice doesn't melt on the roads--- every Sunday I get a stomach ache and suffer from depression about Monday morning.

The job has affected my marriage- what fun is it to be married to someone that drinks too much on the weekends, then comes home and lays on the couch on the weekdays? I go to bed at 8:00 and get up at 4:00 AM.

You did the right thing.

[XanaDUer2]

57. Thank you

The stress was so bad, I was having thought of harming myself. Yeah, that bad.

Something had to change. My doctors had me out of work on FMLA they were so concerned.

[Thtwudbeme]

58. I didn't get that far...yet

But, trust me, I understand. All the bullshit, and then the principal wants to observe you teaching. Note: they NEVER want to watch you catalog or process books....OR fix the motherfucking copiers.

BTW, IF it gets to the point where I have to touch a copier, I assure you that I will fuck it up so badly that I will never be asked again.

[XanaDUer2]

117. Sadly, the sun is out

And the ice is melting. My library was closed three days

[Thtwudbeme]

120. Yep. I am getting ready to go back to work now

It sucks. It really sucks.

[XanaDUer2]

121. It does suck

Was hoping for at least another day for my former coworkers

[Thtwudbeme]

122. I was hoping for a blizzard. 4 more months

I hope like hell I find another job by then.

[XanaDUer2]

123. I hope so

Your experience sounds typical. The library staff are the defacto personal assistants to everyone else and dumping ground for problems ("I won't unjam the copier, but the librarian will!&quot . My friend is a solo medical librarian and, when professors don't feel like teaching, guess what? At the last minute they make her come in and teach. It pisses her off.

Now, some libraries are being tasked with handing out COVID tests.

[Thtwudbeme]

125. It's beyond ridiculous for librarians

The only "happy librarians" I know are the grouches that sit in the back and catalog.....hey....whoa...there's an idea...

[XanaDUer2]

126. Yeah, our Frontline staff

Wanted to see them do a few shifts, too. It wasn't fair that the public facing staff had to have a bad schedule, public service, etc while they sat upstairs.

[Thtwudbeme]

56. I won't make it that long

I would get more if I stayed to 65-- less counting my accrued sick days.

[Srkdqltr]

13. Are they vaxed?? My granddaughter is 6th grade their stuff isn't easy

I wonder what they teach. Child sitting is all.

[demmiblue]

15. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Q cup!

I added mention of it to the title of the OP.

I mean... Q-anon types "teaching" children.

[MineralMan]

22. What is a Q cup?

I saw no mention of such a thing in the OP. Maybe I missed something.

[obamanut2012]

23. wtaf I missed this

Someone with twitter needs to tweet that, and tag some media folks. wtaf

[demmiblue]

25. I updated the OP with this:

Link to tweet

[MineralMan]

34. Thanks for updating.

Just because the letter "Q" appears on something does not mean it necessarily has any connection to Q-Anon. Jumping to conclusions has little to do with facts.

[BradAllison]

91. It's probably not even his cup

The desk looks well lived in already.

[Autumn]

28. Disgusting. I saw a guy at the grocery store wearing a shirt with the orange flames Q symbol.

And this nut keeps appearing on TV with his mug. I think the police force is full of these nuts

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ed-mullins-qanon-mug-fox-news-police-union-boss_n_5f1228fbc5b6cec246c2920e?mc_cid=e66ddb9c64&mc_eid=f28ff5c753

[BradAllison]

93. So apparently Q only stands for Q-anon now?

Must suck is you went to Quinnipiac University, are from Queens, or lived in Quincy Mass......

[Autumn]

100. Does Q only stands for Q-anon in your mind? Try reading the article I posted, that is

the discussion. As for the letter Q and tees ... try google.

[BradAllison]

112. I thought we were talking about the OP of this thread

The cup isn't his.

[Autumn]

113. I replied to a post in this thread not the OP.The mug in my link is very real. Any comment on that?

[BradAllison]

114. That Q anon exists?

Yes.

That everything with Q in it is automatically suspect?

You should know the answer.

[Autumn]

115. Yes I know the answers, the Q symbol exists on the mug in the video I posted and a guy here

wears a tee a flaming Q symbol that can be bought on line. He also wears a lets go Brandon tee. I don't play sea lion games but you go on and have fun.

[Gore1FL]

32. I had a Q cup in the 1990s when I worked for the railroad. It stood for "Quality."

We don't know what the Q on the mug stands for. It may be political; It may be the initial of his surname; it might be a workplace gift like mine.

[obamanut2012]

19. In uniform, with holsters on, no masks

I would be teaching my kids at home somehow. wtf

[Demsrule86]

30. I would never allow my kids in a school with armed police teaching disgraceful.

[we can do it]

38. In case they need to shoot or tase someone asking wrong questions.

[Demsrule86]

29. The police are not qualified to teach school. A licensed substitute must have a college degree...

sad to see how little these folks value education.

[Gore1FL]

33. Do we know that these officers don't have degrees?

It's possible they chose college graduates to fulfil this role.

[we can do it]

37. Doubtfully degrees in education. My degree doesn't qualify me to teach.

[Gore1FL]

41. A teaching degree isn't required in MO. I was unaware of any state that did.

I don't know where Moore is. Apparently it is in a state where no such requirement exists.

[we can do it]

42. No wonder voters are so stupid.

[Gore1FL]

44. I don't follow. nt

[niyad]

48. Oklahoma.

[haele]

69. California requires a Bachelor's at a minimum for teachers

Associates with about six additional Child Development courses (18 more credits) for Substitutes or for those with other degrees and work experience who want to get out of their fields and teach K-12, thinking that might be easier.
I think the TIA program also requires some form of credential program before they are allowed in the classroom.
Just having someone show up and show DVDs and drink coffee while enforcing a "class quiet study time" is not substitute teaching. It's babysitting.

Harle

[Gore1FL]

73. When I worked at Normandy High School in St. Louis, there were many subs that cam from business.

They were retired and often subbed for something to do. They were fine at what they did despite no having 15 hours of education classes. Likewise, there are likely those that had the 15 hours that do little more than babysitting.

While I agree children need more than babysitting, I am just not sure the demarcation point is that set of classes.

[we can do it]

39. HaHaHaHaHa

[Gore1FL]

43. Why is that funny?

I work at a University that is rated highly in criminal justice. We have many police office students and graduates.

[we can do it]

45. Criminal justice can't be much further from education.

[Gore1FL]

47. I have a Bachelor of Arts in Speech Communication and a Masters in Business Administration.

Are you suggesting that I am not qualified for the IT profession I have been in for the last 30 years? Business and Speech can't be much further from Operating Systems.

[we can do it]

59. Buh bye

[Gore1FL]

61. Later! nt

[Thtwudbeme]

68. I hold a dual bachelors and a dual masters

to walk into my school.

Not really amused by your senseless, uneducated response.

[we can do it]

71. WTF

[Thtwudbeme]

75. Back atcha

I found your post ridiculous. Perhaps you could clarify what you meant?

[we can do it]

76. I also hold a masters plus multiple certifications.

None of these qualify me to teach in my state as I do not hold a teaching certificate. Exactly how is this uneducated. And what precisely are your degrees in?

[Thtwudbeme]

78. Education, Religious Studies, History

Masters in Library and Information Science and Education.

I am qualified, and working in my profession. You?

[we can do it]

81. Which was my point about cops not being qualified.

I’m retired. My degrees’ in fine arts, I did quite a bit of illustrations and portraits. However worked fulltime as firefighter/paramedic and retired now. Art now just for friends and fun.

[Thtwudbeme]

84. Fine

have a good day.

I was a paramedic firefighter in my twenties.

Wish you would learn to express yourself in writing clearly- you came across as mocking teachers.

[we can do it]

89. I was mocking cops "teaching" wearing guns.

Teachers are too often unappreciated and under paid.

[Thtwudbeme]

79. Your "hahaha" response

came across as making you sound like a dolt.

I am now assuming you are not- but, would still like for you to clarify.

[we can do it]

83. Cops with degrees that would qualify them to teach.

[ProfessorGAC]

82. Are You Sure?

I have a PhD, 2 other masters degrees, & a BS.
I can't be a certified teacher, but am certified as a sub that can work up to 60 days per term in any semester per district.
I don't claim to be more than a highly educated sub, but i legitimately could work full timr across multiple districts.
Are you sure your state doesn't just require a degree to br licensed as a substitute?

[we can do it]

86. Need certificate. I'm not interested at this point.

Surprisingly even more stringent in Ohio (or it was before we moved) when I had interest.

[ProfessorGAC]

87. Same As Here

I'm certified by the state as a sub.

[dsc]

124. I subbed in Ohio for several years after graduating college

and all one needed was a college degree not one in education.

[LiberatedUSA]

31. "Break it up you two or I'll have to fear for my life."

We less of the law in schools, not more. Kids acting up need to be sent to office, not body slammed and handcuffed. This is a terrible idea and a few happy photo ops don’t change that.

[we can do it]

36. Where the fuck are the masks?🤮

[JanMichael]

65. That was my first thought. Where the hell are the masks?

In about a month we will see some damn go fund me for that cop on a respirator. help me. No.

[sarisataka]

40. Meh- if they are otherwise qualified

i.e. have four year degrees, why shouldn't they step up to fill a need? Apparently no one else is (or at least not enough are). After all don't we say police should be more involved in the community, not just driving around?

I would like to see them, and the students, wearing masks.

[SYFROYH]

90. Because cops are hammers who see every problem as a nail.

They can't stop being LEO in the schools and that places those students at risk.

[sarisataka]

92. Stereotype much?

I spent 20 years as a USMC NCO. I don't use curse words as punctuation, teach lethal unarmed moves or make the kids march in formation when I sub.

It reminds me when parents found out that the children's story reader at the library was a porn star. They freaked out, she had to quit and the story time was discontinued because there was no new volunteer.

[SYFROYH]

99. Dual roles is a real ethical concern for active leo in any situation.

Yes, I worry about children having active cops as subs because there will be situations where they have to choose to be cops or not.

I'm not worried about retired military marching students or porn stars recruiting students into porn.

[XanaDUer2]

101. Was the porn star a volunteer?

My library had to institute a rule no child contact with volunteers; many wanted to lead storytimes. How did they find out, if I may ask?

[sarisataka]

103. She volunteered to read

I believe it was a typical setup, reader in a chair and the kids on the floor.

IIRC it was an anonymous tip from a "concerned parent" who recognized her. The question of recognized how was left begging...

[XanaDUer2]

105. Yes, my library stopped volunteer readers

That and shelving were the top two wants.

Volunteers had to have a background check. Only library staff did reading or programming tho

[Hortensis]

55. As sarisataka says. In an emergency, this community is finding

ways to keep their kids learning. I'm sure it's not the 100th. Between public and private, there are something on the order of 150,000 schools in this nation. And they all have to work with what they have or can make happen.

[Hoyt]

67. +1. Not for uniformed teachers with gunz long-term, but seems like a good solution right now.

[MineralMan]

60. This thread is a great example of jumping to conclusions.

I doubt those cops are actually teaching those classes. Most likely, someone was needed to be the adult in the room, since the kids came to school and some teachers were out sick with COVID and not enough regular substitute teachers were available.

We don't know who the cops are, what their educational level is, nor what their politics might be. They're in the classrooms because some adult must be in such classrooms. I doubt that they are expected to teach. It's more likely that they are there to just be some adult in the classroom, since the kids can't be in a classroom without supervision. With any luck, the regular teacher left something that could guide some self-study in the classroom.

The nonsense about the Q cup was unsubstantiated, and later shown to be incorrect.

Since we don't know those cops, don't know what they were expected to do, nor what their capabilities are, jumping to the conclusion that they are a menace to the students is simply ridiculous.

Someone has to be there for the students who came to school. That's why they're there. Maybe those cops are nice guys, maybe even parents, and maybe even able to help get the kids to study subjects on their own. I don't assume otherwise. I think it's actually unfair to assume otherwise.

[Gore1FL]

62. Definitely, an example of pile-on.

Finding imperfect stop-gap solutions where no perfect solution exists should be applauded.

[KS Toronado]

80. Thanks,

Everyone can use more critical thinking skills instead of jumping off the cliff like reQublicOns do.

[Orrex]

64. This is asinine

Are they trained as teachers? Then what purpose do they serve except to preside over children locked in a covid-sharing environment.

Oh yes, the schools must remain open, because otherwise the economy might falter. Let's risk children instead, and while we're at it we can instill a healthy fear of cops. Excellent plan!

[Hotler]

66. When I was a kid the nuns had big rulers to smack our hands, will they use night sticks?

And get rid of the uniforms and guns in the classroom. If that not a reason to pull your kid from class.......

[SYFROYH]

88. Well, that shortens the school-to-prison pipeline.

[Emile]

95. Dumb ass cops with big ego's displaying their authority with no face masks!

I would yank my kid out of school!

[Demovictory9]

104. end of text chain says its been debunked.

[Calista241]

107. People are over-reacting to this.

There’s a teacher and substitute shortage. The schools, rather than send the kids home, managed to find responsible adults to essentially baby sit them.

When i was in school, my peers and i learned a lot from cops that were just killing time and hanging out in the community. Why jail sucks, what is it like in the back of a cop car, how many tickets do they write, what’s it like to walk around with all that shit on, what do they talk about on the radio? What do they do while on patrol. Do they like their job? What do they not like about their job?

I would bet money that every single cop in those pictures has never shot anyone, shot at anyone, or even seen a gun used in anger. I would also bet that most / all of those kids had a super memorable day, and probably learned a lot.

This kind of Exposure to cops and law enforcement and kids has many positive effects for everyone involved. People are acting like the cops are going to see a purple pencil and start blasting.

[sarisataka]

108. I find it interesting that

Among all the objections and how people would pull their kids out of school there is one course of action no one put forth-

"I would become a substitute teacher so they don't have to use cops in the classroom. "

[obamanut2012]

116. I am fine with it, if they are in street clothes and have no weapon

And, they need to at least do an online substitute course. They have some that are as short as a few hours.

The uniform and weapon in a classroom are gross.

[gldstwmn]

109. Do they have teaching certificates? No? That should be a lawsuit.

The rules apply to everyone.

[BlackSkimmer]

110. You don't have to have a teaching certificate in many states to sub.

Some don’t even require a four year degree.

[gldstwmn]

111. That kind of blows my mind. I guess I shouldn't be surprised though.

I'm not crazy about no masks and being armed either. I wonder if they are being paid OT?

[ripcord]

118. They are short of teachers

I suppose they could cancel the classes and the parents could make other arrangements to deal with it.

[brooklynite]

119. Folks in this thread seem to be struggling to find SOMETHING to complain about...