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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:28 AM Jan 2022

If you watched President Biden's press conference yesterday and watch cable TV this

morning, you have to be amazed at the mischaracterizations and repeated GOP talking points.

The talking heads are asking with some alarm whether Joe blundered and "gave permission" to Putin to invade Ukraine by mentioning the possibility of a "minor incursion" and stating his frank assessment that, despite what it will cost him, Putin would likely cross the border.

I have heard no reference to the specific question, later in the presser, asking Joe if he intended to "give permission" to Putin to invade. He then explained that a "cyber" assault was one of the possibilities and the response could also be cyber.

For whatever reason, it seems to be "open season" on President Biden. While most of the biased comments are not direct attacks, the "just asking" approach used for years by right-wing media has now spread to the main stream.

I thought President Biden's remarks were refreshingly blunt and honest. For example, contrast his statement that, yes, there were things in his administration's covid response that could have been better or more timely, but this was because science was dealing with a brand new virus and it was a learning process. He acknowledged that, while covid would be defeated, it had not yet been and that the struggle was difficult.

Contrast that with Trump's repeated assurances that we should just not worry about covid, it would just magically disappear by Easter and that the warmth of summer would eradicate it.

Yes, the media absolutely should be reporting on the Biden administration's successes AND failures. I just wish there were fewer on-air personalities starting to sound like Tucker Carlson.







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If you watched President Biden's press conference yesterday and watch cable TV this (Original Post) Atticus Jan 2022 OP
I thought Joe did well Darwin2019 Jan 2022 #1
I have had it with these lazy, overpaid talking heads Walleye Jan 2022 #2
The mass media puppets sent to the WH are there to distort, not report. That's painfully Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #20
The thing is Biden loves to discuss policy. They just want to pester him with this petty bullshit Walleye Jan 2022 #21
Petty bullshit is the lifeblood of social media, mass media has decided to serve Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #25
I think they want to please the people at the top of the power structure Walleye Jan 2022 #28
Yes sir...and if reporters don't please the CEOs, they get fired and replaced. They all know it. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #33
Ya know they were going to do this . . . Lovie777 Jan 2022 #3
And look at ATT gleefully hosting fascist OAN...that's a big clue where all American Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #22
He did a great job. Haggard Celine Jan 2022 #4
" his team had to clean up that statement." Walleye Jan 2022 #31
In it's first 20 minutes, the MJ group did NOTHING but harp on whathehell Jan 2022 #37
The media wants tfg back. They fed off the chaos. spanone Jan 2022 #5
I agree maryellen99 Jan 2022 #15
Yes. Also feed off the dark money and Citizens United floodgate of ad money. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #24
i have sworn off cable news but had to check them out this am and on the 2 channels.. samnsara Jan 2022 #6
I always say any 12-year-old can tell you what you should've done after it's all over Walleye Jan 2022 #23
Have no sympathy for the talking heads - but dwayneb Jan 2022 #7
When a situation is chaotic and your adversary is a sinister ex-KGB operative, Atticus Jan 2022 #10
Did the Ukrainians react to Biden speech or the pundits characterization of it Walleye Jan 2022 #32
They attack Biden when he says he could have done things differently doc03 Jan 2022 #8
I was thrilled to hear Pres Biden talk about how cable news viewers are tuning out. Ratings low. FloridaBlues Jan 2022 #9
Cable news on the left or right, ofc, massively more on the rw...has abandoned any shred Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #27
Agree.. i for one refuse to watch. Tank their ratings..turn it off! PortTack Jan 2022 #36
I got so pissed off at Morning Joe this morning that I was spitting nails. I wrote an email to MSNBC BigBearJohn Jan 2022 #11
I USED TO WATCH Morning Joe... can't watch anymore. Raster Jan 2022 #13
I loved what your footnote says about why you never watch Fox News. I'm going to steal it. BigBearJohn Jan 2022 #14
Please do! I also have it on a t-shirt that I wear as often as possible in Mesa, AZ. Raster Jan 2022 #40
So is Rebl2 Jan 2022 #35
Which is why I never watch cable noise infotaiment drama TV Sherman A1 Jan 2022 #12
Unwarranted, unrelenting criticism. Raven123 Jan 2022 #16
President Biden PC was great Roc2020 Jan 2022 #17
Quitting television news is easy. hunter Jan 2022 #18
A few people quitting cable does not provide an immediate or even long term solution to Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #29
The media has been bought off by the wealthy, most of whom favor Republicans. Lonestarblue Jan 2022 #19
Truth. Ofc never to be mentioned by the command of mass media CEOs. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #38
When the Democrats are in office, the media turn into a bunch of flakes. Mr. Sparkle Jan 2022 #26
Precisely. Never ever about what's IN the laws proposed...cause that's what...socialist? Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #30
The "liberal media" has been the conservative press all along. nt Baltimike Jan 2022 #34
Yes...ofc, tho mass media was never anti-democracy so much as by obvious now, wouldn't u agree? Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #39
I Agree With You erpowers Jan 2022 #41

Walleye

(31,044 posts)
2. I have had it with these lazy, overpaid talking heads
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:33 AM
Jan 2022

Personally, I think many of them are still afraid of Trump. Lately I’ve been delving into the world of black-and-white watching 50s westerns and murder mysteries. Better for my blood pressure. And who doesn’t wanna watch a young Clint Eastwood or Steve McQueen mount a horse

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
20. The mass media puppets sent to the WH are there to distort, not report. That's painfully
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:02 PM
Jan 2022

obvious by now and Biden knows it.

Biden would welcome any and all intelligent questions and followup questions, but there are few because the messengers of the corporate bosses have their marching orders.

The American mass media is like a military organization. Need to focus on the Commanders and and commissioned officers of mass media…not just these PFC infantrymen.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
25. Petty bullshit is the lifeblood of social media, mass media has decided to serve
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:07 PM
Jan 2022

the lowest common denominator of intelligence.

And we all suffer, no matter the general intelligence of the country.

Personally am offended at the relentless assault of science intelligence facts and logic.

Almost like the Big 3 support fascists, but that’s ridiculous, right?

Walleye

(31,044 posts)
28. I think they want to please the people at the top of the power structure
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:09 PM
Jan 2022

They’ve given up questioning their morals and motives and are just going for popularity

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
33. Yes sir...and if reporters don't please the CEOs, they get fired and replaced. They all know it.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:15 PM
Jan 2022

Want more evidence, tho none is needed?

Fascist from top to bottom, on purpose:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216259475

Lovie777

(12,324 posts)
3. Ya know they were going to do this . . .
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:38 AM
Jan 2022

any peek at what mcturle said on corporate media?

Also ABC was showing the GQP congratulating AZ want to be GQP

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
22. And look at ATT gleefully hosting fascist OAN...that's a big clue where all American
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:04 PM
Jan 2022

mega corporate sympathies truly are.

Fascism is nothing without corporate support.

Haggard Celine

(16,855 posts)
4. He did a great job.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:38 AM
Jan 2022

I knew they would say something about his candid assessment of Putin's strategy. I thought at the time he said it that maybe he was being a little too honest. But really, he didn't say anything that pundits and regular folks have not been saying. Either Putin will attack or he won't. There isn't much we can do about it. We just have to be prepared for what he does.

Walleye

(31,044 posts)
31. " his team had to clean up that statement."
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:12 PM
Jan 2022

About the minor Russian incursion. The news people really were cleaning up after their own mistake. If they just listened to what he said, they wouldn’t have reported it wrong. He said a minor incursion was like a cyber attack. Somehow that didn’t make the evening news

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
37. In it's first 20 minutes, the MJ group did NOTHING but harp on
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jan 2022

a possible perception of "weakness" in Biden's tiny 'walkback' on Russia/Ukraine..I'm beyond disgusted.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
24. Yes. Also feed off the dark money and Citizens United floodgate of ad money.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:05 PM
Jan 2022

Don’t think they would like anyone turning those spigots of green off.

samnsara

(17,635 posts)
6. i have sworn off cable news but had to check them out this am and on the 2 channels..
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:44 AM
Jan 2022

... i checked, both were talking about what joe shouldnt have done or what he should have done.


idiots

dwayneb

(768 posts)
7. Have no sympathy for the talking heads - but
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:50 AM
Jan 2022

For sure they are only there to feather their own nests and the more sensational their statements, the better.

But Biden does have a problem with imprecise speech. He does not articulate ideas clearly and unambiguously and makes himself a target for all sorts of second guessing about his statements.

It's not just the talking heads that had a problem with Biden's confusing statement about Ukraine. It was the Ukrainians that made the statement about "green lighting" Putin. That is a lot more concerning that what the "analysts" on cable news say.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/russia-could-act-against-ukraine-at-any-moment-says-us

"There was an immediate dismayed reaction from Kyiv on Biden’s choice of words, and his suggestion that a “minor incursion” would divide Nato and draw an uncertain response. One Ukrainian official told CNN it “gives the green light to Putin to enter Ukraine at his pleasure”.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
10. When a situation is chaotic and your adversary is a sinister ex-KGB operative,
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:00 AM
Jan 2022

being imprecise and ambiguous is often just unvarnished honesty. I know that's not what the world---including our press---has come to expect from our President, but I think it is just treating us like thinking adults.

doc03

(35,363 posts)
8. They attack Biden when he says he could have done things differently
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:56 AM
Jan 2022

sometimes, being honest is a crime I guess. Trump admitted doing anything wrong ever and
took no responsibility for anything. He would have been calling any reporter that ask him a question he didn't
like stupid and would have stormed out in a few minutes.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
9. I was thrilled to hear Pres Biden talk about how cable news viewers are tuning out. Ratings low.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 10:32 AM
Jan 2022

Probably got under their skin?

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
27. Cable news on the left or right, ofc, massively more on the rw...has abandoned any shred
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:09 PM
Jan 2022

of intelligence in favour of catering to the stupid…so much more profitable, the stupid need little convincing.

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
11. I got so pissed off at Morning Joe this morning that I was spitting nails. I wrote an email to MSNBC
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jan 2022

Scarborough is such a pompous ass.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
13. I USED TO WATCH Morning Joe... can't watch anymore.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:33 AM
Jan 2022

I used to watch MSNBC *exclusively* for news and commentary. I have not watched MSNBC since the innaguration, and have no plans to return.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
40. Please do! I also have it on a t-shirt that I wear as often as possible in Mesa, AZ.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 03:11 PM
Jan 2022

As. Often. As. Possible.

Rebl2

(13,544 posts)
35. So is
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:24 PM
Jan 2022

Savanna Guthrie. She interviewed Vice President Harris and she was so rude to her. Guthrie would ask her a question and Harris would get in a couple of sentences and Guthrie would interrupt, not letting her complete her answer. She was in such a hurry to get all her dumbass questions asked she ruined the interview. She was reminded me of Chris Matthews.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
12. Which is why I never watch cable noise infotaiment drama TV
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:30 AM
Jan 2022

I continue to be amazed by the bandwidth such channels still receive here?

Raven123

(4,862 posts)
16. Unwarranted, unrelenting criticism.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:44 AM
Jan 2022

I am particularly disgusted with Jake Tapper’s critique of Biden’s warning about the potential issues with the 2022 elections. Comparing Biden’s warning in the face of laws passed by various states with Trump’s eternal BS was enough for me to tune out.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
17. President Biden PC was great
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jan 2022

He stood answered all the questions and made that Newsmax reporter look like a complete buffoon. A solid A. The cable news talking heads are only in it for ratings.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
18. Quitting television news is easy.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jan 2022

Disconnect your television's antenna and quit paying your cable bill.

My wife and I quit a long time ago. My wife was never a fan of television news so it was easy for her. I quit television news in disgust shortly after September 11, 2001. We read all our news.

Yeah, I'm one of those "cut the cord" evangelists on the internet and I also do it in real life, sometimes to the point of rudeness, especially when someone is blathering on about something they soaked up from Fox News. I'll say things like, "Why do you watch that shit?"

My wife and I have had minimal Netflix streaming for many years and we tend to flit about other streaming services, all of them commercial free. We can also cast stuff to our television from our laptops.

The young people in our family -- our children, nephews, and nieces, etc. -- pay no attention at all to "traditional" television and radio. They stream everything.

All that being said, I'm certain that the average Fox News watcher, if they quit television, would soon be directed by their Facebook and Twitter feeds to internet news sources that are even worse

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
29. A few people quitting cable does not provide an immediate or even long term solution to
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:11 PM
Jan 2022

the mass media propaganda flood.

Quitting Twitter and Facebook, that’s better, ind addition to quitting cable.

Get streaming services…choose your news.

Lonestarblue

(10,061 posts)
19. The media has been bought off by the wealthy, most of whom favor Republicans.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jan 2022

Wall Street money favors Republicans because they know there will be no regulations on how many dishonest funds, hedge funds, and schemes they can use to enrich themselves. Republicans have almost reversed the benefits of the New Deal, especially in the areas they care about, financial regulation, banking, and the mix of banking and investment that opened the door to huge bank profits, along with huge risk and the need for the government to bail then out occasionally because of their risky practices.

Republicans haven’t been able to do away with Social Security yet, though it and Medicare and Medicaid are on their hit list. If Republicans take full control again, I predict that they will privatize the postal service, a goal they’ve wanted for a long time, by giving it to a private equity formed by their big donors. They are likely to raise the age for Medicare eligibility so that fewer people have access. And they’ll cut Social Security to pay for their next big tax cut for the wealthy. They may even have enough courage to force Social Security money into the market, with all risks of losses borne by retirees while Wall Street managers take much of the money in management fees. Medicaid and other safety net programs will be on the chopping block also.

In other words, Republicans will not be satisfied until they return the country to the economic conditions of the 1920s as they lead us into the next Great Depression.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
38. Truth. Ofc never to be mentioned by the command of mass media CEOs.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:50 PM
Jan 2022

Cone of Silences dangerous as dangerous as Big Lies he mass media will also barely graze in detail, not to mention the hands off approach to any details of infrastructure benefits and voting rights benefits…this is for all the People.

It’s the last 4 words that are terrifying, to some.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,947 posts)
26. When the Democrats are in office, the media turn into a bunch of flakes.
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:09 PM
Jan 2022

They dont talk about the substance of what we are doing, its always about how we look doing it.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
30. Precisely. Never ever about what's IN the laws proposed...cause that's what...socialist?
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:12 PM
Jan 2022

That’s how they think think in mass media corporate boardrooms where the real power is…more money and power to The People means less dor them. It really is that binary.

What’s in the hundreds of pages of bills and laws For The People and nothing for the mega corporations…the beef will NOT fit into the burger buns of Twitter or a headline…they tried, have mercy!

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
41. I Agree With You
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 12:40 AM
Jan 2022

I listened to the first hour of the press conference while listening to the Michaelangelo Signorile show on SirusXM Progress. I did not hear the mistake the media is talking about. I thought Joe Biden made it clear that Vladimir Putin would pay a heavy price if he invaded Ukraine. I did not consider anything he said on the subject to be a blunder or as permission for Putin to invade Ukraine. I do remember him saying something about Putin possibly ordering a small incursion into Ukraine. However, I do not remember President Biden claiming nothing would happen to Putin if he only ordered a small incursion into Ukraine. Maybe he said it and I missed that statement. That is where the gaslighting appears. Is the media trying to gaslight America into believing President Biden said something he did not say?

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