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Thu Jan 20, 2022, 05:16 PM

Why More American Children Are Dying by Gunfire

The number of children and teenagers killed by gunfire has risen sharply during the coronavirus pandemic. Researchers describe the increase as a fatal consequence of rising nationwide homicide rates, untreated traumas of Covid-19 and a surge of pandemic gun-buying that is putting more children into close contact with guns — both as victims and those wielding guns.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that ther ate of gun deaths of children 14 and younger rose by roughly 50 percent from the end of 2019 to the end of 2020.

Toddlers are discovering guns under piles of clothes and between couch cushions. Teenagers are obtaining untraceable ghost guns made from online kits. Middle school students are carrying handguns for protection.

“It’s like a normal thing,” said Kim Sipes, whose 16-year-old nephew, Ramon Sosa, was shot and killed with his grandmother over the summer in Oklahoma City.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/us/american-children-gun-deaths.html

"It's like a normal thing."

That's where we are as a country.

It doesn't have to be that way. EVERY SINGLE STUDY INDICATES THAT STATES WITH STRONG GUN LAWS HAVE FEWER SHOOTINGS. The gunners among us will find some tiny exception somewhere and dispute that but they are wrong and have been brainwashed by their gun industry overlords. https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/compare/?states=CA,HI

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Reply Why More American Children Are Dying by Gunfire (Original post)
AndyS Jan 2022 OP
msongs Jan 2022 #1
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #2
AndyS Jan 2022 #3
empedocles Jan 2022 #6
LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #9
CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2022 #4
maxsolomon Jan 2022 #5
EX500rider Jan 2022 #7
Tickle Jan 2022 #8
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #10
Tickle Jan 2022 #11
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #12
AndyS Jan 2022 #14
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #15
AndyS Jan 2022 #16
EX500rider Jan 2022 #18
EX500rider Jan 2022 #17
Aristus Jan 2022 #13
LetsGoBiden Jan 2022 #19
Micronova Jan 2022 #20
AndyS Jan 2022 #21
Micronova Jan 2022 #22

Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 05:21 PM

1. is it the small price to pay so gun owners can exercise their god given rights? nt

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 05:27 PM

2. WE released a lot of people early from jail during the pandemic

 

We also have taken a much less aggressive model too policing higher crime areas.


Ironically, while less aggressive policing undoubtedly saves dozens of African American lives every year. It also seems to lead to death of thousands of additional African Americans, often woman and children.

This is the unfortunate outcome.

Perhaps we need to do the math. Because in the end it doesn't matter who shot you if you are dead.



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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 05:33 PM

3. It's not the criminals you have to worry about. It's the Law Abiding Citizens that suddenly

stop being Law Abiding Citizens.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 06:17 PM

6. Suddenly?

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 06:09 PM

4. Killing our children has never been normal, and should never be!

A big, fat K&R.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 06:11 PM

5. The more guns, the more idiots with guns.

It's just math.

Outside of the Crumbleys, the neglectful gun owners are rarely charged when children shoot children. "Oh, they've suffered enough".

Fuck that. If gun laws are supposed to be a deterrent that encourages responsible ownership, they need to be applied.

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 07:44 PM

7. "EVERY SINGLE STUDY INDICATES THAT STATES WITH STRONG GUN LAWS HAVE FEWER SHOOTINGS"

The 3 states with the lowest homicide rates are New Hampshire, Maine & Vermont.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Pointing out facts is not the same as "brainwashing".

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 07:53 PM

8. Are you joking 🙃

Everyone knows New Hampshire and Vermont have permissive gun laws. Illinois and New York have strong gun laws

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Response to Tickle (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 08:28 PM

10. I think he is pointing out that the OP's gun law assertion

 

seems not to match with the facts.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 08:32 PM

11. I just reread it

and now I get it 😳😳😳

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Response to Tickle (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 08:37 PM

12. I do that all the time. It is all good. ;) NT

 

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 08:48 PM

14. Re read the OP.

I said that some gunner would cherry-pick the numbers and come up with this kind of bullshit objection. Do your own search, it's easy. You will find that with narrow exceptions strict laws equals less gun violence. Derp found three out of 50 states and studiously ignores the 47.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 08:50 PM

15. I am hardly a gunner but yes people do tend to conviently forget that northern New England has

 

very light gun laws (if at all) and very little gun violence.


I understand it does not fit the narrative. That was the posters point.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 08:53 PM

16. What doesn't fit the narrative is cherry-picking 3 states out of 50 and saying

"See, the gun grabber doesn't know anything!" when the other 47 states bear me out.

Look it up yourself 'cause you won't believe me anyway.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:26 PM

18. By "cherry pick"

You mean pointing out the first second and third place States for lowest homicide rates?

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Response to Tickle (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:58 PM

17. I am aware of that, what sort of my point

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 08:41 PM

13. Guns.

n/t

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 11:49 PM

19. The problem

 

Is people with the Internet culture and the way teenagers are treating them like young adults when really their children and parents need to put the fear of God and lay down the law guns can be safely had any use for protection and hunting and also keep children safe when I was younger my dad used to take me hunting all the time in fact my dad bought me my own rifle at eight years old and I would keep it put in the gun cabinet and know gun safety. I feel if people an children are taught gun safety they wouldn’t have to be as curious they would know what it is and that it’s dangerous also people should not leave loaded guns around unsecured either a holster with retention is best or a safe

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Response to AndyS (Original post)

Fri Jan 21, 2022, 01:00 AM

20. Pay wall

 

Sigh

Let's define "children" shall we?

Then let's define gang activity within the inner cities and the current state of unrest.


We're not bolstering our position here amongst the opposition by cherry-picking stats and redefining terminology. I realize my opinion won't be popular. It's simply reality.


-Ex-cop

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Response to Micronova (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 21, 2022, 01:08 AM

21. No, it's not reality it's dogma.

It's not guns, it's gangs, it's video games, it's parents, it's divorce, it's poverty, it's mental health, it's bullying, it's always SOMETHING ELSE but not the gun.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 21, 2022, 01:36 AM

22. What a wonderful world

 

You can't wind back the clock.

The technology is here.

You can write every law you want. You can stamp out every manufacturer you want. The sickness lies within society itself. Can't you see that?

This is why we're joked about so much now. The head-in-sand approach doesn't work. It never has. It never will.


I watched a documentary years ago about some scofflaw in EUROPE, who used 3D printers for gun parts and novel chemical processes to make gun barrels.


Yes I'm new here. I'm sure i'll be ostracized. Guns are never going away, no matter how much we want them to. Humans are violent by nature. If there's a mechanical advantage to be utilized to harm another, rest assured it WILL BE UTILIZED. IT IS, EVERY SINGLE DAY!


I guess my stay here will be short. I was hoping it wouldn't.


-Ex-cop

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