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Getting around the filibuster to confirm three SCOTUS nominees when Republicans are in charge: a-ok
Getting around the filibuster to protect voting rights under attack in red states: OMG DECORUM
sick of the hypocrisy
PJMcK
(22,067 posts)In 2016: "Oh, we can't confirm a Supreme Court seat in the final year of a presidential term!"
In 2020: "Let's confirm this SCOTUS nominee just weeks before the election, (even though we know Trump will lose)."
onecaliberal
(32,981 posts)The problem is our side has to pretenders.
PJMcK
(22,067 posts)"...our side has to pretenders" isn't clear to me.
budkin
(6,725 posts)Our side has "two" pretenders?
Still, McConnell's hypocrisy is legendary.
Manchin and Sinema are disgraceful and hypocritical, too. We Democrats need to neuter them by electing some more Democratic Senators this Fall.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,601 posts)"I'd buy that for a dollar!" -- Blade Runner
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,725 posts)It's been on TV a lot lately.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,601 posts)Along with "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension" "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!"
PJMcK
(22,067 posts)Thats the Robocop line. The bald bad guy repeats it from a TV game show.
Right you are!
mikeysnot
(4,758 posts)I'm correct, rush was right.
soldierant
(6,950 posts)I fear that ship has sailed.
Meadowoak
(5,571 posts)onecaliberal
(32,981 posts)in2herbs
(2,947 posts)tritsofme
(17,423 posts)in2herbs
(2,947 posts)"good" behavior, when they use their power to thwart progress. Manchin is entrenched in WVA politics and the Ds are not likely to nominate someone else for the senate position. Sinema is toast. But say she does turn R, how is that different from what she is doing right now as a D?
Marcuse
(7,556 posts)in2herbs
(2,947 posts)creating law? I think what is forgotten in this debate is that we have Biden to veto any R legislation that the senate under Mitch's control would pass. Granted there are still department positions and ambassadorships that need senate confirmation but Mitch is holding up the vote on those that Biden has nominated so that argument is moot. The only argument that has merit for Sinema not going R is that her position as a D, and her vote as a D, would allow Biden to expand the courts and change to the courts. What has she said in this regard?
tritsofme
(17,423 posts)In the first year of a presidents term.
If Mitch McConnell was in charge, which your plan would accomplish, that number would have been zero.
ShazzieB
(16,620 posts)Why do people still not understand this? It's extremely important that McConnell not get control of the Senate again. Anyone who doesn't know why needs to review some recent history (i.e., the Obama administration), when McConnell did his level best to prevent everything Obama wanted to do from even getting to the Senate floor. Have people already forgotten about that? It was a nightmare!
stopdiggin
(11,405 posts)has essentially no value. I can't believe you're going to find many takers with that argument. I'd rethink this.
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Mr.Bill
(24,358 posts)of Committee chairmanships. If McConnell becomes majority leader, all the Democratic Senators might just as well go home. And for that matter, the House, too. No Democratic bill will come to the Senate floor for a vote, period. And if something happens to a Democratic Supreme Court Justice, as long as McConnel is in charge the vacancy will be filled by the next republican President, even if it's not until 2032.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)We could just blame the Repubs for everything, and it would be accurate. Right now, even though Repubs aren't helping the country or us, the problem is that the 2 main roadblocks to our agenda both have Dem party affiliation.
live love laugh
(13,197 posts)live love laugh
(13,197 posts)tritsofme
(17,423 posts)In a presidents first year.
If Mitch McConnell was in charge, something you seem fine with, that number would be zero.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,175 posts)Dark money seems more powerful speech than truth, justice, and the American Way.
calimary
(81,566 posts)or Way WAY WAY WAY WAY more often!
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,175 posts)Why is it Schumer seems soooo mealy mouthed?
Magoo48
(4,722 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,175 posts)Gorsuch being completely amoral I gather is considered a positive trait for a Supreme Court Justice.
The values on the right are rotten to the core. Why we can't make that clear is beyond frustrating.
Blue Owl
(50,555 posts)lees1975
(3,916 posts)on keeping the senate seats we have and getting North Carolina and Pennsylvania and Manchin and Sinema are neutralized. Neither will ever get back into public office after the voters elect their opponents in the Democratic primaries in 2024.
YoshidaYui
(41,871 posts)orangecrush
(19,661 posts).
"We didn't actually do anything, but we went through the motions".
I don't seem to understand how any president can't have enough leverage to pull the vote of two Senators that belong to his own party.
I'm sure someone will explain it to me.
" We can't afford to lose two seats".
WHEN YOU SHIT ALL OVER THE BASE THAT ELECTED YOU, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE A LOT MORE THAN TWO GODDAMMED SEATS!!!
So twist their fucking arms till they cry uncle, at least you will have gotten something done that is of the utmost life and death importance for those who voted for you.
Results talk, bullshit walks.
DownriverDem
(6,235 posts)We have a slim majority. We need to win more elections, then those two won't matter. Maybe we need to focus on the voters.