Rep Raskin: "We have filled in a lot more evidence that he wasn't just inciting an insurrection,..."

[kpete]

Rep. Jamie Raskin on Trump to CNN: "We have filled in a lot more evidence that he wasn't just inciting an insurrection, he was working to organize a coup against the democracy ... I can't imagine that the Dept. of Justice would not have evidence at this point to that effect."

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[KS Toronado]

1. I've often thought about how the magaloons

are going to react to the FailedCoupGuy going on trial and then being locked up for the rest of his life.

[Harker]

8. Predictably... loudly, violently, and with outrage.

They're always the real victims of any story, any event.

[DENVERPOPS]

78. If they steam roll Trump and his spawn

they would merely try to install DeSantis.........

[calimary]

80. I must say I like calling them "magaloons" !

Excellent AND catchy! AND it fits.

[shrike3]

2. I have such respect for Rep. Raskin

To suffer the loss he did, then to go back to Congress and face that maelstrom. I am just awed by people who are that strong.

[COL Mustard]

63. I know. I'd have been curled up in a ball

And would have been catatonic for weeks. His district is adjacent to the one I live in, although across the river, and I'm glad my friends there have him as a rep.

[3catwoman3]

66. His emotional strength is beyond my understanding.

If either of our sons died before me, for any reason, I would not have been able to do what Representative Raskin did so magnificently such a short time later, maybe ever.

To lose a child is devastating, regardless of the circumstance. Suicide has to be the worst.

[MadameButterfly]

71. He's my hero

It keeps me calmer knowing he's on this

[Bluethroughu]

96. +1

[dalton99a]

3. Kick

[ShazamIam]

4. I am waiting for more information about Pompeo, who clearly believed Trump would remain in office

after the Biden inauguration. Pompeo was posting statements on twitter about State Department accomplishments and plans moving forward. Yet his name is not mentioned so far in the discussions about the coup attempt.

[gab13by13]

5. Also slime ball Steven Miller has to be involved.

[ShazamIam]

11. Miller, yes. His stench has a long reach.

[bdamomma]

49. oh yes

Miller needs to be subpoenaed too. Bastard. Sliding away like a snake.

[monkeyman1]

67. he is already probably on the DOJ radar !!

[Mad_Machine76]

9. I remember that

"second Trump Administration" or something to that effect.

[ShazamIam]

15. Yes, totally involved and here is the full quote you are remembering.

transition team, Pompeo said this:

"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration. Right. The world is watching what's taking place. We're gonna count all the votes. When the process is completed, they'll be electors selected. There's a process, the constitution lays it out pretty clearly. The world should have every confidence that the transition necessary to make sure that the State Department is functional today, successful today and successful with a president who's in office on January 20 a minute after noo

n will also be successful."

From cnn: https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-10-20/h_ea24bf2d9e4098e37e905b8c19487beb

[Mad_Machine76]

20. My head hurts reading that

Word salads seem to be a Republican specialty

[ShazamIam]

22. I think that he included a statement about, Electors suggests he was likely aware of or

involved in the fake elector plot.

[Mad_Machine76]

32. Would make sense

given the tortured way he is talking about the electoral process/certification.

[Cosmocat]

37. Right

Like prior to that election you almost literally did not see any one refer to "the electors" like that.

[Gore1FL]

92. If you bear with me, I have a weird analogy.

In the 1990's I was rivetted by the Sci Fi Series Babylon 5. I like it so much, I bought the DVDs and watch the series again a couple of times and a few episodes way more than that. (I don't really watch television, so it was big deal for this to happen.)

What I noticed the second and third time through, was how many hints of what was coming were dropped. Some were very subtle. Some were pretty much a throw away lines that explained more than anyone could imagine. Not knowing what to look for the first time, those lines, those hints, and the subtlety of it all were so easy to overlook. It was incredible to see an understand what were now bold giveaways!

We are sort of there now with the coup attempt, (or the initial part of the coup attempt). Watching it all again, we see the bold giveaways. I cannot imagine what the Jan 6th Committee and the Justice Department are piecing together, but I look forward to the reruns!

[ShazamIam]

106. I believe you, they are after all working a plan that began with all those assassinations of the

1960s, JFK, MalcomX, James Meredith, MLK, RFK, others followed by the theft of the 68 election and it has been all a game on the run since. They are disappointed it has taken so long to destroy this once democratic leaning nation.

[magicarpet]

97. Here is Mr. Snot-chit Pompeo,..

[Pachamama]

100. Oh Lordy let there be tapes

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

74. Right. And once their coup failed, didn't Rs do all they could to make sure the State Dept would be

dysfunctional. Can't find it now, but I'm sure I read there were many positions not filled because of Republican obstruction. One thing Rs are quite good at.

[True Blue American]

28. Pompeo

I saw him a couple of weeks ago. Mike said he was working out to lose the weight. 90 lbs in 6 months.

Here is another story. Covid and throat surgery.


https://www.wiki.ng/en/wiki/did-mike-pompeo-loose-weight-his-illness-and-present-health-condition-details-660512

[calimary]

79. We MUST NOT let this guy slip under the rug.

Pompeo fancies himself as president someday.

[ShazamIam]

86. Pompeo seems to see himself as a messianic entity here to save us all.

[Captain Zero]

87. If the coup had killed Pence, Pelosi, Grassley

And sidelined trump some way. Pompeo would have been next in line for the presidency. I've always thought he was the bad actor in the wings on this.

[Skittles]

91. and Barr

who clearly realized this nonsense would never work

[soldierant]

98. I was thinking about a phrase I picked up from reading late 19th

and early 20th century British detective stories - "Softly, softly, cathee monkey." It's probably insensitive (as heaven knows so many Brits in India and Africa were), and "monkey" is far too kind a term for any of these criminals, But it did seem apropos for the silence we are all hearing so loudly.

[Pachamama]

99. +100000

My prediction: we will be hearing more about Pompeo and he will also not have a political future

[Poiuyt]

6. We all asume that the DOJ is working its way up the ladder --

getting the underlings to flip on TFG. What if they already have enough information to convict TFG, but are investigating the scope of the coup attempt?

[agingdem]

25. I think the DOJ is waiting for the 1/6 select committee

to hold hearings..a Trump indictment pre hearings would diminish the committee's impact...and I think it's safe to assume the committee and the DOJ are sharing information...I know there was a chorus of people accusing Garland of doing nothing, but I think of everything we did not know a year ago that we know now..Trump, the insidious coup master and his enabling scum..looking forward to the hearings...I want to know what the committee heard behind closed doors...and then I want the DOJ, loaded with incontrovertible evidence, to come down on Trump's fat ass with a sledge hammer...

[cilla4progress]

31. I agree with your

predictions and assumptions!

[moonscape]

40. And hopefully, more than a fantasy wish, have

more of the public behind it. Not sure how much break-through there can be with those who still support him, but even the smallest progress would be welcome.

[OneGrassRoot]

55. Plus, the criminals continue...

implicating themselves and committing more crimes out in the open each day. Keep letting them hang themselves until the RICO net gets them.

[agingdem]

58. and like "good" little Nazis

they kept records ..how-to manuals, phony elector documents, emails, pay stubs..and they wrote books, lots of books..so proud of their "work" and so sad they didn't succeed in overthrowing an election and shredding the Constitution...and then they hit every media outlet promoting their screeds, bragging about their almost-coup and implicating themselves with every syllable...this is like that old movie.. Seven Days in May but starring the Three Stooges...

[kentuck]

7. What should be the punishment for an ex-president?

Committing such a serious crime?

Let him off because so many people love him?

[Maraya1969]

10. I'd say take away his citizenship.

[MineralMan]

18. Unfortunately, there is no mechanism for

removing citizenship from a US-born person. However, it is possible to lock up such a person for the rest of his life, which is what I suggest. A solitary cell in a federal prison for his protection, too.

[smb]

56. He's Have To Be In At Least Medium Security

Putting him in Club Fed or house arrest would encourage self-appointed Meal Team Six attempts to free him.

[halfulglas]

65. Well I hope it's before Biden's out of office.

Because if a Republican wins the presidency again, Trump will probably be the first one pardoned. Unfortunately probably on inauguration day.

[MineralMan]

68. Well, President Biden still has 3 years left in his first term,

so maybe we shouldn't worry about that just yet, I think. It may work out that a bunch of GQP folks end up in the slammer well before then, you know.

Even better, that's very likely to hurt the GQP when it comes to election time, in 2022 AND in 2024. Try optimism. It's a healthier outlook, I think.

[DBoon]

72. US born citizens have had their passports revoked for being born in the wrong hospital

https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/thousands-of-u-s-citizens-in-south-texas-have-been-denied-passports/

[Dan]

73. GITMO for life without possibility of parole - and federal legislation that says the only way he

Can be pardoned is with a super majority.

[Grasswire2]

77. Gag order, too.

No commissary privileges. Make him eat what the others do.

However......caveat.......it is possible for MOB to act with surrogates in prisons. Mob hits are not unknown. (Epstein?)

There is no place where he could be totally safe. Guantanamo, maybe.

[Samrob]

16. Hmm He wanted to be a dictator. What is the punishment for dictators? What is the history?

Measure him, treat him by the standards he loves. Remember, the GOP believes there are no more guard rals for behaviors and actions of public figures.

[Mad_Machine76]

34. Most dictators don't live long after being deposed

In Trump's case, I'll compromise and say that I'm fine with incarceration for him for the rest of his natural life.

[XacerbatedDem]

104. I am fine with that, also. Orange is his color, hope he likes jumpsuits.

[jaxexpat]

21. Entirely new territory.

Pretty sure the founders figured that if the elected president was a treasonous bastard the whole she-bang was a bust already, that democracy turned up lame and had to be put down. To further complicate things, it would have to happen when about half the legislatures (federal and state), and 6/9 of the USSC were not willing to do the best thing for the country, for political and personal reasons, of course.

Legendarily, there was a guy charged with treason who was caught up in a scheme involving Aaron Burr. He is known as "the man without a country". He lived out his remaining life isolated on a US naval craft. That might not work in Trump's case as there's even odds the ship's officers might try to reinstate him.

[Zorro]

39. I suggest the Il Duce treatment

Call it the “Ill Douche” punishment.

[FakeNoose]

50. The way he was hanged - that was done by partisan protesters

The Italian government wasn't involved in his death. I don't think a similar thing would ever happen here. Let's hope so anyway.

[SoonerPride]

53. The penalty for treason is death.

[Tommymac]

54. Lock TFG up in solitary but give him unlimited KFC, Fries, Big Macs and non-diet pop.

24/7. His sentence will probably not last long.

On second thought, put The pillow guy in the cell with him. The Wormtongue effect will be fun to watch.

[smb]

57. They Could Put Cheato, Pillow Guy, & Ghouliani In A Cell

It could be paid for by taking bets on which one was the first to snap and try to strangle one of the others.

[DEbluedude]

85. I'd say keep him healthy...

so he can wake up every day. For years. In prison. Penniless. A Loser.

[Deminpenn]

12. These public hearings are going to be

must see TV.

[erronis]

13. Yup. In place of fux in the airports, let's broadcast these hearing

in all public places.

Some democracy-minded employers may even have a lounge where employees can catch up on the latest.

[txwhitedove]

14. Retired, ready, just need to know when to make the popcorn. 🍿

[True Blue American]

29. DVR

Fired up, ready to go!

[Deminpenn]

62. Thought I heard primetime starting in March

My guess would be the first two weeks of March. That slots them in after the Feb "sweeps" and before the NCAA basketball tournament starts in mid-March.

[oldsoftie]

38. I'd actually prefer they not be public.

Too much grandstanding in public hearings. Same with confirmation hearings.
And if trump is actually AT them, he'll just take over with his blathering. But if no one is watching he will get frustrated

[moonscape]

48. The Repub grandstanders are not on the

committee though, and it’s important to inform the public and get us, as many who are willing to hear the truth of course, behind whatever actions end up being taken.

[Wounded Bear]

17. K & R...nt

[MineralMan]

19. I'm sure the DOJ has the same evidence.

They're watching all of this, just as we are. But, they have their own investigative teams, along with the power to seat Grand Juries that can indict people and charge them with crimes. That can take a bit longer, and has a heavier burden of proof. Under the leadership of Attorney General Garland, that process is well underway, I have no doubt.

[Traildogbob]

23. What punishment?

Should be an ACTUAL hanging. But deport the whole damn family would help. MAGA’s can go to him, talk about Making America Great Again. NK’s Kim loves him. Let all those clowns live in a dictatorship they do desperately seek. Bonus, NO icky BLACKS or MEXICANS there to oppress their whiteness. Koreans are just a little darker than Ivanka. None are Orange.

[calimary]

51. No. No deportations. Prison. Right here in the US.

Where we can keep close watch. And their movement is drastically curtailed. And they don’t have access to all the phones and TV and media access and fawning servants and nice clothes and freedom of mobility and every creature comfort.

They can still live like royalty if they’re deported, and they can still stir up plenty of trouble. AND news coverage, which the donald craves like the rest of us crave breathable air.

[Traildogbob]

64. You are correct.

Lock em up, 24-7 live stream the cells. Cram Jr, Eric, Jared and the Donald all in one cell. Ivanka, Jr and Eric’s spouses in an adjacent cell just out of reach, throw the Sasquatch lawyer in there for fun. It would take an entire prison to house all the complicit GQP. Maybe Bannon and Donald share a cell, no combs or soap allowed.

[bluestarone]

24. Just curious. Can his own secret service be called on to

Testify? That could get interesting.

[Evolve Dammit]

89. great question. Anyone?

[gristy]

26. "coup against the democracy"

This is a great choice of words.
The use of the definite article "the" makes it so powerful and leaves no room for partisan interpretation.
The usual, expected and less-powerful choice would be "OUR democracy".

[DeSmet]

88. Personally...

I prefer America. Not "attack on democracy or coup against democracy. "An attack on America" "A coup against the United States of America"

[andym]

27. The side effect of being prosecuted is that Trump will definitely run for President

from prison if need be, so if he won he could pardon himself. The MAGAs will certainly vote for him.
Of course, the most serious candidate who ran from prison in the past, Eugene Debs, lost. Debs was in prison for sedition in 1920.

[smb]

60. Depending On What He Gets Conviced Of, He Might Be Barred By The 14th Amendment nt

[Evolve Dammit]

90. good history point. Thanks

[Justice matters.]

94. Depends on how effective the Dems ads will be...

Most Independent voters will not vote for a convicted felon who incited a violent attack on the Capitol that caused the deaths of CPOs.

Run ads of the attack in loops...

[Mr. Ected]

30. If we cannot try each and every one of the alleged perpetrators of this seditious conspiracy

On the merits of their respective cases and dole out punishment in accordance with the statutes in place to prevent and punish the criminals involved, regardless of political clout, stature, name recognition and popularity, we don't have the democracy that we purport to be trying to protect.

America, this is a test. Pass or fail?

[kentuck]

33. It is a test.

If we do not have a cornerstone of justice, we have no democracy.

[dchill]

42. And that's all the truth.

[multigraincracker]

35. It's the Dept of Justice not the Dept of

Revenge. I hope for justice.
The two things most dear to him are his name and money. Take those away and I'd be thrilled. Broke and his name turned into Mudd. Dr. Samuel A, Mudd, the man who helped J. Wikes Booth....and his name lives today.

Confucius said "Befoe you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.."

[oldsoftie]

41. I agree with your assessment. Its really the best way to go

Trump goes to jail (which I doubt very seriously) and he becomes a martyr
Trump ends up with failed businesses & little money, he becomes forgotten. Which for him is a worse punishment than jail

[fightforfreedom]

47. This is not revenge, this is justice.

Trump and his band of traitors committed serious crimes. They should and must be charged and brought before a jury. Let the jury decide, not politics.

[malaise]

36. K & R

The party’s over

[fightforfreedom]

43. You got that right.

The Georgia investigation alone is enough to indict Trump and others. Smoking gun evidence. It's going to be a very bad year for Trump and his band of traitors.

[malaise]

44. +1,000 n/t

[malaise]

45. +1,000 n/t

[Jetheels]

46. And the coup against truth, logic, science, morals, humanity, etc.....

[SoonerPride]

52. It doesn't matter how much evidence they have they will never move to prosecute a president

Ever.

Give up on that idea.

[fightforfreedom]

59. What do you think the New York and Georgia prosecutors are doing?

What do you think the Jan 6th committee, Garland are doing? Trying to prove Trumps innocence. This is not Watergate, this is much worse. By the way many people were charged with crimes after Watergate. People went to prison including Nixons AG. Ford had to pardon Nixons crooked ass or he may have gone to prison.

[Poiuyt]

75. Federal prosecutors have guidelines about whether to charge for a crime or not

One of these is the likelihood of conviction. They know they would never get an impartial jury, and the might get a judge like the one in the Rittenhouse case. If they indicted him and failed, Trump would be unbearable.

[fightforfreedom]

81. I guess you are saying they should shut down all the investigations?

Your argument makes no sense. If there is enough evidence you indict period.

[Poiuyt]

83. It doesn't make sense to me either

And it's not my argument. Glenn Kirschner pointed it out in the prosecutors handbook in one of his videos a month or two back.

[ProfessorGAC]

82. Your Name Is Terribly Ironic...

...given your immediate desire to surrender.

[whopis01]

102. Are you sure you replied to the right post?

From my reading I would say that SoonerPride is the one suggesting surrender, not fightforfreedom.

[SoonerPride]

108. It has nothing to do with what I want.

They will never prosecute a sitting or former president.

Stop dreaming and wake the fuck up.

He got away with it.

That's reality. As awful and terrible as it is, nothing will ever happen to that evil bastard.

[FakeNoose]

84. Whether they do or they don't ... we still deserve to know

That was the final result of the Watergate investigation. Getting the evidence out to the people, the voters finally knew what Nixon did. By then it didn't really matter because his goose was cooked. Congress didn't prosecute him in a court of law, but in the court of public opinion. And that's all it took.

Luckily for Nixon, he chose Gerald Ford as his VP. Ford was a "nice guy" and he made the deal of a lifetime. Ford gave Nixon the pardon that let him get away and kept him out of jail, because he would have been prosecuted after it all came out. And that's the truth.

We Americans deserve to know. I totally respect Rep. Jamie Raskin and I believe he's not bullshitting about this.

[QED]

93. I think he'll die before a trial...

His looks even less healthy than when he played president.

[sarcasmo]

61. Our eyes and ears did Not deceive us.

[Cha]

69. Rt TY!

[Joinfortmill]

70. Tick Tock MF*cker.

[Uncle Joe]

76. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread kpete.

[Bluethroughu]

95. Seditious Conspiracy, 20 years in prison and can NOT hold office of any kind, ever

For every elected official that knew about this and gave aid along with lies and excuses instead of truth and defense of our Country. Lock them up.

[Pachamama]

101. At a minimum

[Bluethroughu]

107. +1

[Emile]

103. Well duh, we watched it live on TV

[bucolic_frolic]

105. A massive operation that could never be kept quiet in a capitol city like Washington DC

So they intended to succeed and suppress all evidence, lie about rumors, strong arm loose lips, and declare the new dictatorship a new democracy.

It's straight from the most fantastical fiction novels of the last 50 years.

[Pachamama]

109. Especially involving the egos and attention-seeking tendencies of the players involved

Pompeo just couldn’t help himself as well as others such as Navarro etc

[Brainfodder]

110. Yadda yadda hill of beans, arrest these flight risks already?