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Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:18 PM

About adults controlling what children read.: I am watching the growing insanity

of whackdoodles. . .errrrrr, "concerned parents" and other "concerned" adults, .like the mayor in MS, and I want to add my observations and perspective.

When I was in elementary school, my reading levels were years ahead of whatever grade I was in. As I used to tell the banned books crowd, in the second grade I was reading books that they, as presumed adults, still could neither read nor comprehend.

In high school, I had the run both of our school library, and the public library. I read widely, outside of school subjects, anything that interested me. Neither my parents nor my teachers bothered me.

The idea that some stranger, or group of strangers, likely not up to my interests or reading levels, whose worldview was nowhere near mine,, could dictate what I could or could not read, or have access to, would have had me screaming at the school board even more than I already had been.

The arrogance, the hatred for intelligence and learning, the absolute fear in these small-minded, authoritarian, mind-controlled simps, is frightening. They were not fit to tell me what I could read or study way back when, and they most certainly are not qualified to do so now.

May they receive everything they deserve.

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Reply About adults controlling what children read.: I am watching the growing insanity (Original post)
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Atticus Jan 2022 #2
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FakeNoose Jan 2022 #5
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RockRaven Jan 2022 #6
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pnwmom Jan 2022 #35
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Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #15
MotorCityBeard Jan 2022 #55
Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #58
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Ocelot II Jan 2022 #12
niyad Jan 2022 #13
50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2022 #14
kskiska Jan 2022 #16
niyad Jan 2022 #18
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Skittles Jan 2022 #17
niyad Jan 2022 #19
FSogol Jan 2022 #20
niyad Jan 2022 #22
Demovictory9 Jan 2022 #21
niyad Jan 2022 #23
ripcord Jan 2022 #24
niyad Jan 2022 #26
malaise Jan 2022 #25
niyad Jan 2022 #28
Leith Jan 2022 #27
niyad Jan 2022 #29
twodogsbarking Jan 2022 #30
niyad Jan 2022 #32
peggysue2 Jan 2022 #69
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TreasonousBastard Jan 2022 #31
niyad Jan 2022 #33
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niyad Jan 2022 #37
inthewind21 Jan 2022 #67
JT45242 Jan 2022 #34
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niyad Jan 2022 #70
CaptainTruth Jan 2022 #38
niyad Jan 2022 #44
Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #40
niyad Jan 2022 #45
barbtries Jan 2022 #41
niyad Jan 2022 #48
LoisB Jan 2022 #42
niyad Jan 2022 #52
NoMoreRepugs Jan 2022 #43
niyad Jan 2022 #50
pazzyanne Jan 2022 #46
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GB_RN Jan 2022 #47
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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:20 PM

1. K&R!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:23 PM

3. Thank you!

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:21 PM

2. Well said. Thank you. nt

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Response to Atticus (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:23 PM

4. Thank you.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:25 PM

5. Right you are - the act of banning any book or particular subject

... only increases a teenager's interest in that item. That's how adolescents operate, that's how they think.

Millions of teens are suddenly interested in reading "To Kill A Mockingbird" that never would have bothered otherwise.
Let this always be so.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:31 PM

7. Thank you.

Many years ago, a friend told me that the way she got her kids to read decent books on sex education was to sort of hide them, and tell the kids "hands off". Worked every time.

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Response to niyad (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:41 PM

11. I think I was 12 or 13 when I read "To Kill A Mockingbird" for the first time

I loved the book, but I'll admit that I didn't get all of it. Read it again in my mid-20's - and oh my God I was shocked and amazed. It really is the best American novel ever.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:28 PM

6. Banning books from a local school or library is utterly pointless now that the internet exists.

Not only will kids find it online (after looking for it because you made them curious) but they'll also find a hundred similar/adjacent things too while they are looking. If you want your kids to remain ignorant of it, whatever "it" is, just STFU about it. That's your only hope.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:34 PM

9. A most excellent point about the internet. I find all sorts of interesting books

and information when I am looking for specific books. All added to my library lists.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:52 PM

35. But it will hurt the authors whose books aren't available in thousands of libraries. n/t

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:32 PM

8. Same childhood reading history and feelings.

Any adult telling me what I could read would have me screaming at the top of my lungs.

And then I would damn well make sure I read the banned books.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:35 PM

10. They never quite seem to understand that part.

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Response to niyad (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:51 PM

15. Yep. Banning books means more people will read them.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:41 PM

55. I'm still like that with banned books

Any book I am told that I or no one else should read, I'm going to read it.

My dad was as much of a reader as I am. We were always trading books back and forth. When I was a kid, there would be some where he would tell me. "Now this one is not for you...". You can pretty well guess I read them anyways so I could make up my own mind.

In the 90s there was a HUGE stink over American Psycho. No one should read this, it should be banned, etc, Of course I had to read it. It's a very disturbing book, but I've certainly read worse. As far as American Psycho, it could be interpreted in so many ways that even though I wouldn't recommend it (unless you have a strong stomach), I wouldn't ban it.

I have been horrified by all the anti-CRT crap, which has been evolving into banning books, that's been going on. This is NOT America and needs to be stopped.

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Response to MotorCityBeard (Reply #55)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:52 PM

58. I know, tell me I can't read something, I will read it in a flash.

Banning books seems so unAmerican.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #58)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 09:16 PM

60. Exactly... if I were still in school today

all the books being banned would be making my reading list. There is a reason they don't want you to read them, and I want to know why. Still doing that. It seems they're getting all upset about Beloved by Toni Morrison now. Got it on sale on Kindle and that's next on my list.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:42 PM

12. When I was in 6th grade I got scarlet fever and had to stay home for quite awhile -

might have been a couple of weeks. So my teacher recommended some books for me to read while I was recovering. One of them was Huxley's "Brave New World." I found it fascinating, though some of it probably went right over my head. Would that teacher get in trouble these days for assigning that book to a ten-year-old? Most likely, at least in some school districts.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:44 PM

13. Without a doubt.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:45 PM

14. K & R! Same here!

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:52 PM

16. We used to look at the "Condemned" movie list

published by the Catholic Church to decide which movies to see. The best ones were always "condemned." I'd also read my mother's copy of "Peyton Place" when she wasn't home.

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Response to kskiska (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:10 PM

18. Same here. And the day that list had a Bob Hope movie on it, I knew it was

complete nonsense. A Bob Hope movie too sexy?? Are you KIDDING me? Whatever last remnants of respect (few though they were) I still had left that day.

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Response to niyad (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 10:50 AM

68. It was ridiculous.

John Waters has also said he used that list to decide which movie to see.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 06:58 PM

17. repukes want their kids to have guns but worry about books

that is some fucked up shit right there

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:11 PM

19. Indeed it is.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:13 PM

20. Teens appear in the newly created Kutztown Banned Book Club

Junior high school students in Kutztown created a teen-banned book club to discuss and celebrate challenging stories, discussing both classic novels and current hot topics.

The club’s first meeting, held at the Firefly Bookstore in Kutztown on January 12, was attended by a group of nine young people, primarily from grades 7 to 11 in the Kutztown area.

14-year-old Kutztown 8th grade Joslyn Diffenbaugh founded the club after reading about a public protest to ban books in national and regional schools based on the topics of race, gender identity and sexuality.

“I wanted to give teens access to books that could be personally relevant or interesting, and prevent groups in the community from pointing out what we could and couldn’t read. It was, “Joslyn said.


More at:

https://pennsylvanianewstoday.com/teens-appear-in-the-newly-created-kutztown-banned-book-club/304939/

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Response to FSogol (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:22 PM

22. Brava!!!

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:13 PM

21. it is insanity

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Response to Demovictory9 (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:22 PM

23. To say the least.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:23 PM

24. Parents have always determined what their kids can read

The problem comes when you want to decide what everyone else's children can read.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:33 PM

26. I was always fortunate that my parents did not control what I read. We were

a family of readers, and I was never without a book in my hands.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:25 PM

25. Great post

I am still in a state of stunned incredulity at this madness

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Response to malaise (Reply #25)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:34 PM

28. The speed of its spread is what astounds me. Reminds me of the Delta variant.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:34 PM

27. My mother was terrific about reading

In elementary and junior high, schools got catalogs of books for students to buy. I bought a lot of books that way. When I was about 12, the description of The Bell Jar looked interesting, but it required signed parental permission to get it.

I asked my mom nervously if she would sign the permission slip. Before I could tell her the book I wanted, she took the permission slip, signed it, and gave it back. "Don't you want to know the book I ordered?" I asked.

"Nope," she answered.

Now that I'm old(er), I realize that the catalog wouldn't have any book that would be outrageous for a smart kid and avid reader. We had a houseful of books when I was growing up.

It's child abuse to deny children books, especially those that expose their minds to ideas.

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Response to Leith (Reply #27)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:36 PM

29. Brava for your Mom! And absolute truth about denying children books is child abuse.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:47 PM

30. Growing up the Catholic Church published a banned book and movie list.

Made the books and movies even more popular.

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Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:49 PM

32. I certainly checked the lists regularly.

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Response to twodogsbarking (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 11:03 AM

69. I remember those lists as a kid

Last Temptation of Christ was on the list. Of course that meant I had to read it. LOL. My mother was appalled. She didn't forbid the reading but made me cover the book in brown paper so none of the neighbors, her friends and/or school officials would discover it.

The good ole days! Whatever's old is new again.

Book banning was as obnoxious then as it is now. It's perhaps more dangerous now bc there's a concerted effort to quash any information or knowledge that defies current right-wing ideology.

I am cheered that school kids in certain regions are rebelling and opposing these School Board decisions. This is what the hard right-wing is so terrified about--the generations to come who are far more open, liberal and accepting of different ideas and attitudes. In addition these younger Americans, the majority under 15 years of age, are of mixed races. Multiculturalism is percolating from the bottom up.

Oh, the horror! Enough to throw the wing-nuts into a frenzy.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #69)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 06:51 PM

72. I'm thinking I should read some of the books they are banning.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:47 PM

31. Denying them books is denying them knowledge. It is as bad...

as denying them food or water.

"But how will they know the proper books?"

"It's called learning."

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:50 PM

33. Amazing concept, is it not?

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Response to niyad (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:55 PM

36. And after over10, 000 years of recorded history we still don't get it

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:57 PM

37. Some are REALLLLLLY slow learners.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 10:36 AM

67. That's the point

Can't continue the stupid legacy of the "don't tread on me" crowd if they allow their kids to grow a functioning brain.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:52 PM

34. Had an occurrence in 3rd grade

We had watched I, Claudius on PBS and I thought it was fascinating. I was extremely gifted so I went to the public library and got the rise and fall of the roman empire to read.

My 3rd grade teacher told me "You can't read that". I thought she meant that I couldn't read and understand it. So I read a couple of sentences and then para[hrased them for her.

She said "You should not be reading that. It isn't appropriate."

My 8 year old self responded: "My dad let me check it out. The librarian let me check it out. So, it really doesn't matter whether or not you think I should be reading it." Then I went back to reading my book for silent sustained reading.

Hated the thought police when I was 8. Still hate the idea of them controlling what people read now.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:59 PM

39. Good for your 8- year old self. A ND good for your current self.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #34)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:42 PM

56. Back when I had little kids and needed to hire babysitters,

I'd always haul them off to the local library and have them get a card. I also always signed the permission for them to check out adult books.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 11:36 AM

70. That was very kind and thoughtful.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 07:58 PM

38. To me it says they must be really terrible parents...

...to have raised children who are so emotionally fragile.

If they raised children that can't handle books, how in the heck do they think they'll be able to handle the complexities & challenges of life?

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:27 PM

44. A most excellent point, and never made.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:08 PM

40. Very well said.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:28 PM

45. Thank you.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:12 PM

41. they're so ignorant about it.

i would bet most of these supercilious assholes never read the books they seek to ban. I was the same as you. There were books I read in my early teens that I had to read over again in my 20s because I really didn't get it, like Catch 22 and As I Lay Dying. But i never experienced anyone whether it be a parent, a librarian, or a teacher say "you can't read that."

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Response to barbtries (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:30 PM

48. I think that you are quite correct about the parents not reading the books.

About the only things they read are their marching orders on reichwing internet.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:15 PM

42. Amen. Similar experience growing up. I can't fathom the mentality of anyone wanting to

PREVENT a child from reading everything they can or want to read. The parents, teachers, politicians,
school boards should encourage children to read. I always told my grandkids that you can learn something from everything you read, even if it's no more than a new word.

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Response to LoisB (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:35 PM

52. Agreed. One would THINK that adults would be on their knees in gratitude

that children are actually reading.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:23 PM

43. Wonder what % of these "concerned parents" are atheists??

100 to 1 says it’s 1 in a 100 or less.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:32 PM

50. Hmmmm. You may be quite correct.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:28 PM

46. K. AND. R!!! nt

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:36 PM

53. Thank you.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:30 PM

47. The Nazis Banned/Burned Books, Too.

That's not a look you want to emulate.

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Response to GB_RN (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:32 PM

49. But these assholes are doing such a superb imitation.

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Response to niyad (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:33 PM

51. Oh, No Doubt.

Fascists will be fascists, after all.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:39 PM

54. Colleges and universities will have to create new admissions standards.

Kids from states like Tennessee can be assumed to be ignorant because they have not been allowed to read anything but Republican propaganda or the simplest books that focus on praising the deeds of white people. And since they will never have been challenged with opinions different from those of their parents, they will be too emotionally immature to engage in productive discourse with students from other states who are widely read and far more knowledgeable and have learned to evaluate ideas from multiple sources and to form their own opinions confidently.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #54)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 09:37 PM

62. They already have to do remedial courses in many instances. This is going

to get really bad.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:42 PM

57. "Modern Americans behave as if intelligence were some sort of hideous deformity." Frank Zappa

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Response to HUAJIAO (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 09:39 PM

63. Exactly.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 08:53 PM

59. You cannot build character on only happy talk books.

What happens to a society when uncomfortable literature is banned?

What books are left to read?

Great literature builds character and moral views.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #59)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 09:41 PM

64. See, that is the problem. These cretins do not want such characteristics in

their frightened little world.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 09:21 PM

61. VISIONS of Fahrenheit 451

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Response to vapor2 (Reply #61)

Thu Jan 27, 2022, 09:42 PM

65. That is what keeps running through my mind.

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 09:51 AM

66. . . .

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 12:10 PM

71. I wonder if the TN school board realized Maus is a graphic novel

& may appeal to kids even more because of that.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #71)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 08:04 PM

74. You are under the impression that any actual thought was involved?

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Response to niyad (Original post)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 07:54 PM

73. From the looks of it

Things are going to devolve here, and rapidly if the fascists take over. I am starting to get worried about us leaving in time since lots of time consuming things have to be done. And I have to get my cats out of here too.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #73)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 08:06 PM

75. Absolutely agree.

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Response to niyad (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 08:08 PM

76. I am glad I am not alone feeling this

It’s terrible we have to worry about all of this.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #76)

Fri Jan 28, 2022, 08:49 PM

77. It is indeed. I have thought for years that it would be wise to be elsewhere. But

even I, as cynical as I am, never imagined the magats and traitors.

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