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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFiona Hill op ed in the New York Times: Putin Has the U.S. Right Where He Wants It
Excerpt:
This time, Mr. Putins aim is bigger than closing NATOs open door to Ukraine and taking more territory he wants to evict the United States from Europe. As he might put it: Goodbye, America. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
Read more: [link:https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-putin-biden.html|]
niyad
(113,636 posts)themaguffin
(3,828 posts)niyad
(113,636 posts)DBoon
(22,404 posts)As I have seen over two decades of observing Mr. Putin, and analyzing his moves, his actions are purposeful and his choice of this moment to throw down the gauntlet in Ukraine and Europe is very intentional. He has a personal obsession with history and anniversaries. December 2021 marked the 30th anniversary of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when Russia lost its dominant position in Europe. Mr. Putin wants to give the United States a taste of the same bitter medicine Russia had to swallow in the 1990s. He believes that the United States is currently in the same predicament as Russia was after the Soviet collapse: grievously weakened at home and in retreat abroad. He also thinks NATO is nothing more than an extension of the United States. Russian officials and commentators routinely deny any agency or independent strategic thought to other NATO members. So, when it comes to the alliance, all of Moscows moves are directed against Washington.
In the 1990s, the United States and NATO forced Russia to withdraw the remnants of the Soviet military from their bases in Eastern Europe, Germany and the Baltic States. Mr. Putin wants the United States to suffer in a similar way. From Russias perspective, Americas domestic travails after four years of Donald Trumps disastrous presidency, as well as the rifts he created with U.S. allies and then Americas precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan, signal weakness. If Russia presses hard enough, Mr. Putin hopes he can strike a new security deal with NATO and Europe to avoid an open-ended conflict, and then it will be Americas turn to leave, taking its troops and missiles with it.
Ukraine is both Russias target and a source of leverage against the United States. Over the last several months Mr. Putin has bogged the Biden administration down in endless tactical games that put the United States on the defensive. Russia moves forces to Ukraines borders, launches war games and ramps up the visceral commentary. In recent official documents, it demanded ironclad guarantees that Ukraine (and other former republics of the U.S.S.R.) will never become a member of NATO, that NATO pull back from positions taken after 1997, and also that America withdraw its own forces and weapons, including its nuclear missiles. Russian representatives assert that Moscow doesnt need peace at any cost in Europe. Some Russian politicians even suggest the possibility of a pre-emptive strike against NATO targets to make sure that we know they are serious, and that we should meet Moscows demands.
Hekate
(90,883 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Scrivener7
(51,058 posts)Vlad clearly does want us on our knees. Everything he does has been aiming at that.
But I think he is overestimating our weakness. He HAS weakened us considerably - and I will always believe he has been a major force in getting the former guy elected AND in the multiple disinformation campaigns that are currently fracturing us. He has worked hard to weaken us, and has been brilliant and patient in how he has gone about it.
But I don't think he has been quite as successful as he thinks he has.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... helps the Russian economy and hurts the rest of the worlds with inflation
Scrivener7
(51,058 posts)He's a sick man.
elleng
(131,227 posts)George, you have to understand that Ukraine is not even a country. Part of its territory is in Eastern Europe and the greater part was given to us. These were the ominous words of President Vladimir Putin of Russia to President George W. Bush in Bucharest, Romania, at a NATO summit in April 2008.
Mr. Putin was furious: NATO had just announced that Ukraine and Georgia would eventually join the alliance. This was a compromise formula to allay concerns of our European allies an explicit promise to join the bloc, but no specific timeline for membership.
At the time, I was the national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia, part of a team briefing Mr. Bush. We warned him that Mr. Putin would view steps to bring Ukraine and Georgia closer to NATO as a provocative move that would likely provoke pre-emptive Russian military action. But ultimately, our warnings werent heeded.
Within four months, in August 2008, Russia invaded Georgia. Ukraine got Russias message loud and clear. It backpedaled on NATO membership for the next several years. But in 2014, Ukraine wanted to sign an association agreement with the European Union, thinking this might be a safer route to the West. Moscow struck again, accusing Ukraine of seeking a back door to NATO, annexing Ukraines Crimean peninsula and starting an ongoing proxy war in Ukraines southeastern Donbas region. The Wests muted reactions to both the 2008 and 2014 invasions emboldened Mr. Putin.
This time, Mr. Putins aim is bigger than closing NATOs open door to Ukraine and taking more territory he wants to evict the United States from Europe. As he might put it: Goodbye, America. Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
As I have seen over two decades of observing Mr. Putin, and analyzing his moves, his actions are purposeful and his choice of this moment to throw down the gauntlet in Ukraine and Europe is very intentional. He has a personal obsession with history and anniversaries. December 2021 marked the 30th anniversary of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when Russia lost its dominant position in Europe. Mr. Putin wants to give the United States a taste of the same bitter medicine Russia had to swallow in the 1990s.'>>>
Hekate
(90,883 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)Dumb ass Putin cant see it.
elleng
(131,227 posts)PSPS
(13,623 posts)Response to ificandream (Original post)
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BootinUp
(47,201 posts)stopdiggin
(11,391 posts)but it doesn't appear like this gambit is likely to be achieving any of the stated goals.
But, here's something else (as heard on NPR several days ago) - Putin is completely in love with a grandiose image of himself as a major 'player' on the world stage. And, to that end - the world has been slathering on whipped cream and condiments, for at least the past month or two. Nothing but Putin, Putin, Putin - 24/7 - and he's positively basting in the glory.
So - seen in that context - he cannot lose ...
And is in fact already running up the score.
elleng
(131,227 posts)2 sociopaths creating world chaos.
usonian
(9,917 posts)Asking for a friend.
rockfordfile
(8,708 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Invitation to join NATO has to be unanimous by the existing members.
Greece, for example, blackballed North Macedonia for many years.