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crickets

(25,983 posts)
Fri Jan 28, 2022, 11:50 PM Jan 2022

For Six Hours, Barry Manilow Was Punk Rock.

The news that Barry Manilow wasn't really leaving Spotify was disappointing. I've been around long enough to remember when Barry was at the top of the charts with "Mandy" and other ballads he wrote that all the cool kids claimed to hate ...while his records flew off the shelves. I wasn't a huge fan, but I've always liked the guy. He's a likeable person, and on the one hand I'm thinking, "Go on, Barry. Do it anyway." And on the other, I'm thinking, "How dare somebody try to back him into this? Why did somebody pick on Barry Manilow of all people?"

Tim Grierson does a great job of capturing the moment, all while being utterly fair to Manilow. Barry Manilow is a nice guy. He's just never nominated himself for badass of the day. Disappointing, but there is nothing wrong with that.

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/barry-manilow-joe-rogan-spotify-tweet

Barry Manilow has never been cool. In an age when every popular but unhip musician is receiving a critical reappraisal — even Kenny G — it’s somewhat remarkable that the 78-year-old entertainer seems impervious to cultural reconsideration. It used to be worse, of course: At the height of his fame in the 1970s, he was mocked for his pretty tunes and sentimental lyrics, his corny love songs and his ersatz disco smash “Copacabana (At the Copa).” A former jingle writer, Manilow was a joke, inspiring legendary magazine writer Bill Zehme to lead off his 1990 Rolling Stone profile of Manilow with, “When your name is a punchline, you live in hell. Barry Manilow lives in hell.”

The world isn’t so cruel about Manilow anymore — and let’s not forget that a lot of that scorn probably was tied to homophobia, which prompted him to deny he was gay most of his life, finally coming out in 2017. But it’s not like you see a lot of “Actually, Barry Manilow Slaps” think-pieces, either. And yet, for a short time on Friday, Manilow seemed pretty awesome. It only lasted about six hours, and he actually had nothing to do with it. But it was a fun moment nonetheless. [snip]

To be clear, Manilow is not a “bad person” by any stretch, but a similar phenomenon occurs in pop culture whenever artists we write off as “lame” end up being cooler than we expect. Neil Young has made a career out of flipping off people in power, but nobody expects Manilow, whose brand is comfort and warmth, to protest Spotify’s support of a noxious anti-vaxxer who should never, ever talk about race. And yet, for six hours, it seemed like that was the case. It was easy to feel heartened. If someone as milquetoast as Barry Manilow, who has about 2.8 million monthly listeners on the service, was willing to speak out, it only underlined how dangerous it is for major media entities to spread misinformation on their platforms. Whether it’s Mitt Romney or Barry Manilow, the feeling is the same: If this guy gets it, why doesn’t everybody else? [snip]

But I also felt kinda bad for Manilow. For most of his very successful, highly lucrative career, he’s given uncomplicated pleasure to millions of listeners, never rocking the boat or, frankly, rocking at all. But for six hours on Friday, he was a rebel, an advocate, a man of principle. (Just imagine what all those 1970 punk bands who detested what he represented would have thought about that.) [more]


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For Six Hours, Barry Manilow Was Punk Rock. (Original Post) crickets Jan 2022 OP
I have noticed that "all those 1970 punk bands" are also on spotify. cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #1
Personally, I wouldn't care if I ever heard a Barry Manilow song again... Enter stage left Jan 2022 #2
Your username tracks my transition from Manilow to Rush over a prior decade Drum Jan 2022 #3
Rush did some incredible music, and most likely the... Enter stage left Jan 2022 #4
This long-ago drummer says Amen! 🙏 Drum Jan 2022 #5
Yes Enter stage left Jan 2022 #10
these musicians face the same pressure all of us do cadoman Jan 2022 #6
Loved Manilow 1973- 80 Chipper Chat Jan 2022 #7
And Bread. Chipper Chat Jan 2022 #9
Big Neal Young fan and applaud his position. But would have rather Hoyt Jan 2022 #8
Why did Manilow have to be Joe Montana's doppelganger? PufPuf23 Jan 2022 #11
Has Bette said anything? DURHAM D Jan 2022 #12
 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
1. I have noticed that "all those 1970 punk bands" are also on spotify.
Fri Jan 28, 2022, 11:56 PM
Jan 2022

IF X-Ray Spex and the Dead Kennedy's can rock on Spotify why not Manilow?

Enter stage left

(3,398 posts)
2. Personally, I wouldn't care if I ever heard a Barry Manilow song again...
Sat Jan 29, 2022, 12:00 AM
Jan 2022

I always thought his songs were insipid.

YMMV

Enter stage left

(3,398 posts)
4. Rush did some incredible music, and most likely the...
Sat Jan 29, 2022, 12:08 AM
Jan 2022

most spectacular drummer of ALL TIME.

RIP Neil Peart.

cadoman

(792 posts)
6. these musicians face the same pressure all of us do
Sat Jan 29, 2022, 12:13 AM
Jan 2022

If you've ever not attended a rally or got out and done something because of your job, you have an idea what's going on here.

Barry: "I want to pull my music to support science and destroy misinformation speech."

Barry's wife and family and hanger's on: "Yeah but what about our rent and car payments and handouts and trips and everything else."

So maybe Barry was strong, but his posse and family were weak.

There are an awful lot of "rockers" still getting money from Spotify and shitting all over science.

Chipper Chat

(9,693 posts)
7. Loved Manilow 1973- 80
Sat Jan 29, 2022, 12:25 AM
Jan 2022

So did alot of my friends. Sure we listened to acdc, Clash and Dead but for songs that touched the heart it was Barry and the Carpenters. And the Eagles and Steely Dan too.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Big Neal Young fan and applaud his position. But would have rather
Sat Jan 29, 2022, 12:25 AM
Jan 2022

he came out with a song like “Rogan the Killer.”

I think that in most cases trying to educate people — through a boycott — that so-and-so is an ignorant white winger spreading BS is a waste of time.

PufPuf23

(8,839 posts)
11. Why did Manilow have to be Joe Montana's doppelganger?
Sat Jan 29, 2022, 12:39 AM
Jan 2022

More a Neil Young fan than a Manilow fan by far. Saw Young as part of CSN&Y at Winterland over 50 years ago now.

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