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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe disgraced ex-President has no other option but to pretend he is running again in 2024.
It keeps up the spirits of his MAGA followers.
It keeps his stream of revenue coming in.
It keeps the media talking about him.
But, most of all, he thinks it protects him from criminal indictment.
Once he is charged, his presidential ambitions will disappear like a puff of smoke.
Walleye
(31,062 posts)He wont rest until he gets it again or dies first or goes to prison
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)The power he pretends to have is an illusion. Twitter was all he had to propagandize, now he got these lame rallies where the media mainly just mocks him and his maga army of geriatrics with a Twitter machine.
His brownshirts are in jail, his chief advisor under indictment, soon his chief coup strategist, the subpoena machine copier is overheating, more to come
imagine that happening in 1930s Germany
they had the chance and didnt take it. America did and will continue to do justice to democracy.
Walleye
(31,062 posts)Do narcissists think that everything is going to work out for them despite the odds against them?
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)thinks of the mountain of evidence of sedition.
Narcissists dont get any breaks from prosecutors, judges, juries or the evidence, so man can think things will,work out for him all he likes.
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Walleye
(31,062 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)I believe he will run. I don't think he can win, but I'm not so sure.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)his loony fans give him the attention he craves as leader of the cult. I certainly hope he could not win, but the US is filled with crazies and assholes, power grabbers and politicians who want to go for a ride which does add uncertainty ...
radius777
(3,635 posts)Trump is addicted to attention and the spotlight, and the nomination is his on a platter if he decides to run.
If Dem poll numbers don't improve by 2024 (which I think they will) then Trump surely can win, especially with all of the new voter suppression laws the GOP has put in place.
dwayneb
(768 posts)Trump is 100% predictable. This megalomaniac will use the last breath in his body to run in 2024.
Winning outright? Unlikely but not impossible if Biden's approval continues to decline. "Win" by legislative coup? His goose-steppers will be setting the stage in 2022 if (when) they gain control of Congress.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)I would go so far as to say that the #1 mission of our criminal justice system at this very moment is to ensure that Trump never runs for public office again. What taint to his standing can the Congress place upon him (for instance, censure) that would prevent him from being able to run? Is criminal indictment enough?
NanceGreggs
(27,819 posts)... I'd almost feel sorry for him - if he had a single redeeming value.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)PatSeg
(47,613 posts)and that tiny sliver will magically disappear. In that sense, it is probably a good thing that he keeps saying stupid, offensive crap, so we don't get soft and forget what a monster he is.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)the whole kit and kaboodle is so evil and now so obvious, its just a sliver of sadness for the demon and also for the koolaide drinkers
.how sad is it that common folks in the millions need to feel uplifted by a demon?
All the while with a honking big Jebsus Cross on their necks? Why doesnt that Cross burn them?
PatSeg
(47,613 posts)It is about the people we share our world with, people who blindly supported a monster and seemed to have lost their minds. We've all known these people throughout our lives, but I don't think any of us could imagine them turning into such hate-filled, irrational freaks, at least not in such great numbers. I suppose if it hadn't been Trump, some other carnival barker would have materialized and led the flock to insanity. They were waiting and ready for a leader. It truly is a massive cult.
As for Jesus, Trump is their new religion.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)In fact, it's pretty much his sole purpose. He doesn't really give a shit about his followers, beyond how much money they're willing to throw at him. He'll never actually come out and say he's running again, because when he does, he knows he can no longer funnel that money into his own bank account. The lights are on all over, and cockroach has no dark places to hide when it comes to campaign finance laws.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)paleotn
(17,989 posts)Plus, two more years of cognitive decline will render him a squirming mass of jello if he's still alive. I stand by my prediction in 2020 that he won't be physically able to mount a serious campaign in 2024.
PatSeg
(47,613 posts)I don't think he could handle a long campaign. He never looked healthy, but he looks really bad these days. That drive and energy that he had back in 2015 and 2016 seems to be gone. He looks like he could have a stroke or a heart attack any day now, if he hasn't already.
I also agree with GoCubsGo - If he announces he is running, he won't be able to funnel donations into his own bank account. Hmm, that makes me wonder if the IRS is paying attention to those donations.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)Many of us believe he's probably a long-hauler, and has the "brain fog" that goes with it. He was already deteriorating before he got it, due to dementia/Alzheimer's/tertiary syphilis/drug use/previous stroke/all of the above/some of the above/whatever. It has only gotten worse since his bout with COVID. So has the huffing and puffing and snorting, although some of that's probably due to whatever he's snorting before he goes on stage.
I'm sure the IRS is paying attention. So are SDNY and Tish James, and a whole bunch of others.
PatSeg
(47,613 posts)Someone with his health and terrible lifestyle would be very vulnerable. Combine that with his age, type-A personality, and a genetic predisposition for dementia, you have a perfect storm. It is only a matter of time and I think his time is running out.
As for his finances, right now everything about his life is under the microscope, but he is functioning pretty much the way he always has, only probably more careless and reckless. He should have stayed out of politics. He was asking for his life to be exposed down to every ugly detail, but he just couldn't help himself. Most of us know how this movie ends. I wonder if Donald does.
GoCubsGo
(32,095 posts)I don't know if it was cluelessness and stupidity, or sheer "I always will get away with it" arrogance, but he sure as hell didn't think things through before he decided to run. And, yep. It's just a matter of time. The only question is what runs out first? His shitty health, or his luck regarding the law?
PatSeg
(47,613 posts)It didn't help that he was ignorant about politics and government. When he started to be unexpectedly successful on the campaign trail, I think it went to his head and he started to believe his own bullshit. He was like a guy on cocaine who thinks he is Superman and can do anything.
His health and luck with the law will probably run out simultaneously, the legal problems contributing to his health issues.
llashram
(6,265 posts)the TPOSFG is trying and doing. Raking in the cash...he and his family of grifter and cronies learned, during his time in office, what the supergrift can do to enrich them. They do not want to lose this. Ideological dummies on their coat sleeves and spectre of burning books and sending us to the American gulags. That's part of their fantasy.
JohnSJ
(92,422 posts)its inception, through the Civil War, through the Civil Rights movement, and is currently in a resurgence today.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)but here we are again with it out in full force. It's sad, pathetic and dangerous, and the EX-president feeds off of it. He's like a demon that craves and feeds off of negative energy.
sop
(10,265 posts)Real estate fraud pales in comparison. Additionally, the presidency gave him immunity from prosecution. He realizes the walls are closing in, so the sooner he launches his '24 campaign, the more plausible his claims of "political persecution by the Biden administration" will seem to his gullible followers, and his fellow travelers in government and media.
Jacson6
(353 posts)You can count on it.
Scrivener7
(51,021 posts)that it will be a fight.
This is trouble.
PortTack
(32,797 posts)Scrivener7
(51,021 posts)PortTack
(32,797 posts)Scrivener7
(51,021 posts)corruption shark. He needs to keep moving forward, shitting on the rest of us and ruining everything around him, to survive. He will do anything he needs to do to win, up to and including ruining the United States of America. We have seen that in action.
Neither of us knows though. Only time will tell.
llashram
(6,265 posts)the ruination of our democracy is a goal, I'm sure. Why the so-called MSM won't search out this connection more and really never did, I just don't understand. With the sexual pervert/predator that TPOSFG is, it seems to me very plausible trump did some things in Russia that can help hang this POS.
oldsoftie
(12,615 posts)And enamored by stardom. Don't forget, in the past many prominent Democrats had told him he should run. NONE of them would say it now that he's been exposed
llashram
(6,265 posts)oldsoftie
(12,615 posts)Even the WaPo did an article on Bill Clinton encouraging him to play a bigger part in the GOP. Oprah did an interview with him and brought it up. Larry King did the same. he mentioned running with Oprah as his VP. Until he went in on Press Obama, he always talked a good bit about things the average voter cared about. Then he lost it over Obama's "birth certificate". He has always been a bullshitter & conman. We just didn't realize how far above "show business BS" it actually was.
Poiuyt
(18,130 posts)The composite average is much closer. Realclearpolitics has Trump beating Biden in the composite (though that's skewed by Rassmussen).
paleotn
(17,989 posts)He won't be able to make serious run in 2024. Anyone who's lived through that with their parents or grandparents knows the signs. It's not a linear decline. It's exponential. Right now, he's a shell of what he was while in office.
Beachnutt
(7,342 posts)people, romney, or others throw in the towel and turn on him or will they.
Scrivener7
(51,021 posts)They WILL eventually turn on him, but none of them will go out on a limb to do it. They will only do it when they have total cover for doing so.
When the polls of the MAGA faction turn on him, so will they. But not until then.
AND, as long as he is roaming around making speeches like the one he made yesterday, and as long as he is not exposed by the DOJ as the crook he is, the MAGA faction will continue to worship him and their worship will only grow stronger.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)PatSeg
(47,613 posts)Oh, that's a keeper!
housecat
(3,121 posts)twodogsbarking
(9,822 posts)Nothing is out of bounds. Nothing.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)The disgraced President is a malignant narcissist who has had four years of adoration, power, and a good level of immunity.
This was his new narcissistic high, he is not going back. In fact, IMO, the Pig went into this in 2016 fully intending to become America's Putin. Thus his fascination with Putin and parades, Jong-Un in NK, etc.
Cherry on top for the Pig is that he has been able to milk it for money while he was in office and now has become a professional candidate/cult leader. This all adds to the narcissist's high. His time doing tv was a gateway to this.
That a hole isn't going away unless he drops dead or they put him in prison. It is a toss up right now which of those two is more likely.
llashram
(6,265 posts)both will do. My favourite is he dies behind bars alone and unable to speak...
ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)You sure about that 50%?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,659 posts)Trumps indictment will be the turning point for the GOP to shift to supporting DeSantis, especially if the big GOP donors shift to him first.
Bettie
(16,129 posts)he declares "officially" that he is running and will immediately file a lawsuit to stop investigations on the basis that he's a candidate for president.
Doubt it will work, but that's my guess on what passes as a plan for him and his um, clown car of dumbasses.
Lettuce Be
(2,337 posts)everyone would run for office. It'd be a free pass. I feel certain he believes if he runs all criminal/civil actions against him would have to stop and that's simply not the case.
NewHendoLib
(60,022 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)He will never stop.
sarisataka
(18,779 posts)he sure generates lot's of concern and fear.
Of course I recall his first campaign was only a publicity stunt. He didn't really want to be President. I guess the joke was on him.
ecstatic
(32,733 posts)Or he could spring back to life and this time, the US won't recover. Hell, we still might not fully recover from the untold damage he caused.