Merrick Garland is not just like Robert Mueller,

[gab13by13]

Robert Mueller indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and 3 companies. Many of those people worked for Trump.

George Papadopoulos
Paul Manafort
Rick Gates
Michael Flynn
13 Russian nationals
3 Russian companies
Richard Pinedo
Alex van der Zwaan
Konstantin Kilimnik
12 Russian GRU officers
Michael Cohen
Roger Stone
Sam Patten per referral from Mueller

Merrick Garland indicted or got guilty pleas from a bunch of Magats who demolished our Capitol and injured 140 law enforcement officers, some of whom died.

Anyone see the difference yet?

Mueller was wrong to not challenge the suggestion that a sitting president can't be indicted but he did indict Trump people.

There is still time for Garland to prove me totally wrong.

[Ohio Joe]

1. Yeah, Garland didn't get 11 for seditious conspiracy...

Oh… Wait…

But even if he did, he’s totally stopping there because he refuses to call me and update me. Hmpff.

[Scrivener7]

3. Did Garland get 11 for seditious conspiracy? I haven't seen those trials.

I guess he's crossing t's and dotting i's.

Meanwhile, TFG just told his followers to take to the streets with guns.

But I guess all is well.

[Ohio Joe]

10. The trials start July 11th

Stewart Rhodes and the rest are in jail awaiting it to start.

[Scrivener7]

11. Yes. So we will see if he "gets" them.

And we will see how far TFG gets in fomenting violence in our streets.

[Ohio Joe]

12. DOJ has a 99.6 conviction rate

They tend to be methodical and build solid cases. They don’t just ‘lock ‘em up’ and hope for the best.

[Scrivener7]

14. So, again, we will see if they "get" them.

[Ohio Joe]

25. They are in jail...

And those that do not flip will almost certainly die there.

[Scrivener7]

28. Lol. Unless they are pardoned by the guy at the top of the crime because those who could stop him

crossed so many t's and dotted so many i's that they never got around to charging him.

[Ohio Joe]

30. He would have to get re-elected...

I find that unlikely. Besides the DOJ going after him, there are two major state investigations, GA and NY. While his base will remain loyal, they are nicely committing suicide by Covid. The independents who voted for him are dwindling and as more keeps coming out, they will be fewer and fewer. As long as pressure is kept on, he has no chance.

This ‘lock him up’ mentality was his tactic and it failed. It failed with Hillary and it failed with Cohen… And those failed attempts (especially Cohen) is coming back to bite him. Having Dems act like tfg is not something I would recommend or participate in but… Have fun with that plan.

[Scrivener7]

33. I'm glad you find that unlikely.

[former9thward]

36. Die there?

If found guilty they will get maybe a five year sentence.

[Ohio Joe]

39. 5 is the minimum

They would get more and these guys are pretty old already. Prison will not be kind to them and they would probably not be granted parole. So yeah... Likely die there.

[stopdiggin]

17. yes. but the argument posed

is that Garland isn't 'going after' certain crimes or actors. The same proponents often seem to be relatively unconcerned with 'convictions' - but they assuredly want 'action taken' - apparently as some sort of visible 'metric' for public consumption. That seems (to me) a little short-sighted and ultimately unproductive. But in any case, the fact that DOJ has brought these charges - negates some of the original premise.

[Scrivener7]

18. Who has said they want "action taken" as a "visible metric" without convictions?

Link, please.

Because no one is saying any such thing.

[stopdiggin]

42. it's probably more a matter of

being completely inured to the idea of necessary groundwork and building cases (as often as that explanation has been offered). 'Visible action now' is a primary focus - while how these things might hold up in court (or what other investigations or indictments might be influenced) by precipitous action - appear to be of secondary concern. Of course, a good portion see no reason why they can't have both (which is pretty par for the course) - and it could be they're right. But most of the time - the people that are actually doing the job, know what they are talking about.

[Scrivener7]

43. .

[gab13by13]

4. Name me one person

who was not involved in the riot part of the coup who was arrested?.

Did arresting those Magats stop the insurrection?

Trump just threatened anyone who investigates him with a mob.

[Ohio Joe]

8. Elmer Stewart Rhodes III

Leader of the oath keepers, also Edward Vallejo.

No, arresting them did not stop something that happened in the past.

Yup, tfg did call on the cultists to go protest those going after him. It’s my understanding the FBI has been asked to provide protection.

[gab13by13]

13. I hate to tell you this but the insurrection didn't end on 1/6.

Rhoades was pretty much involved in the riot seeing as he master-minded a big part of it.

I don't know this Vallejo guy, I will have to Google him. Did he work for Trump?

[Ohio Joe]

15. Rhodes did much more than that...

I suggest you read the indictment:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-other-individuals-indicted-federal-court-seditious-conspiracy-and

[Duncanpup]

2. I'd settle for a jay walking citation

TFG is out running his lips lying admitting to trying overturn election and he walks free.

[Emile]

5. +1

[Paladin]

27. +1000.

How about trump being mildly inconvenienced in the midst of his money-grubbing, self-incriminating hate rally tour? Too much to hope for? Yeah, I figured as much.

[Duncanpup]

31. Paladin

I can’t call them rallies anymore it’s just straight up a cult gathering

[Paladin]

32. Good point. I fully agree.

A brain-dead cult is kneecapping our democracy, and we're not anywhere close to doing something about it.

[brooklynite]

6. How long has it been since the last "Garland isn't doing his job the way -I- want him to" rant?

[gab13by13]

9. Who posted this?

If Trump and his accomplices go scot-free, future staffers and bureaucrats may well reason that “just following orders” is the path of least resistance. If Trump were president again, and he follows through on his pardon pledge, what would be the disincentive for any of his supporters considering political violence?

snip//

That’s why justice needs to be served for the crimes committed. Someone needs to go to jail. Someone has to pay.

[brooklynite]

16. ..and Garland explained the methodical process DOJ is following to ensure indictment and conviction

Apparently not fast enough for the blogosphere?

[Scrivener7]

19. Clearly not fast enough to forestall TFG from calling on his followers to

take to the streets with guns and violence.

And do you have any doubts that they are in their bunkers suiting up for insurrection after he told them to do so?

I don't.

[brooklynite]

20. If Trump had been indicted six months ago, would his behavior be any different?

And no, I don't imagine that 10s of thousands of overweight patriots are gearing up for battle.

[Scrivener7]

21. Yes, I believe his behavior would have been different. And seriously? Were you out

of the country on January 6? Did you miss their practice run?

[inthewind21]

37. It's mind boggling

The same ones screaming for DOJ to hurry up and do something RIGHT NOW are the first ones you'd see screaming if the DOJ did just that, and because of a rushed investigation lost the fight.

[hamsterjill]

38. If the DOJ screws this one up,

Then we will all know whose side they are on.

There is video of Trump admitting to the crimes he has committed. What else could be more incriminating?

It isn’t just people (like me) on DU calling for Garland to act. There are plenty of legal scholars who have spoken publicly of their disappointment in the speed in which Garland is progressing.

Time for action!!!

[brooklynite]

40. "whose side they are on"

Are you suggesting that President Biden's DOJ has a pro-Trump bias?

[hamsterjill]

41. I'm not suggesting anything.

I’m waiting and watching. But if they choose not to act quickly and assertively after calls to do that from scores of legal scholars, what do you think people might think?

Trump has admitted publicly what he did. What else does the DOJ need? Time to process that? Sheesh.

[gab13by13]

22. How long before DOJ shuts down

leading up to an election? Are you confident that we can keep control of Congress?

Because I understand how long it takes for justice to be served is why I am concerned. It took 22 days for DOJ to indict Steve Bannon, low hanging fruit, he had no claim of executive privilege. His trial is scheduled for the end of July and if he loses he will appeal.

DOJ received the Mark Meadows criminal complaint 48 days ago. Mark Meadows is claiming executive privilege however, he is just charged with ignoring a subpoena. If a grand jury does indict Meadows, how long before his case is resolved, I'm guessing years.

Can GOTV overcome rigged elections? 60,000 Democrats have been purged from the voter rolls in Georgia, Joe Biden won Georgia by 12,000 votes. A 95 year old WW II veteran who voted in every election had his request for a mail in ballot rejected twice, in Texas.

[hamsterjill]

23. Well let me help here.

Garland isn’t doing his job the way I - and a hell of a lot of other people - want him to.

It’s absurd. It’s been a year since Trump left office AND the DOJ should have been investigating him long before Biden took office. We all know Trump is guilty of treason. Mostly because he admits it. And yet those of us who want swift justice are constantly berated because “there are processes, etc.”

How about those processes get moving because every tick of the clock benefits Trump? Why? Because he will stall, stall, stall until time has run out and nothing will be done. Then those who have insisted that processes be followed will be whining that they ran out of time.

I want the sonofabitch (yes, we use that word just fine in Texas and it has NOTHING to do with someone’s mother) in jail because that’s where he deserves to be. If that offends anyone, that’s tough. I am not alone.

[Scrivener7]

26. You speak for me. The argument seems to be, "There is a traditional way this is

done, and it takes a really long time."

It is shameful that those with the ability to respond to the crimes being committed in full sight do not seem to be aware that this situation is anything but traditional, is completely dire, and is VERY time sensitive.

[hamsterjill]

29. There are a lot of us.

I am tired of the DU posts constantly berating those of us who want the SOB in jail. We’ve already been patient and we see the writing on the wall as to what will happen. Time will pass and Trump will get away with it just like he has already done countless times before.

He’s going to wind up back in the White House, too, if people don’t start taking his threat seriously. That’s what happened in 2016. No one took him seriously and we suffered through four long years of fear and death and angst and sadness. I don’t relish repeating that.

[Scrivener7]

34. But, Marsha, it's NOT an episode of Law and Order!!1! (*flips hair and purses lips*)

[dwayneb]

35. Trump's next 4 years

Whether he gets in by direct election or coup will be spent in taking apart our country once and for all. He now knows that the DOJ and military must be corrupted and he will waste no time doing exactly that. Then my friends we will be in a world of pain unlike anything ever before seen in the West.

Even if Garland brought all the charges that people want right now, it is exceedingly unlikely that there will be any conviction before the election of 2024.

[gab13by13]

7. Has the Cyber Ninja fake company

turned over its documents yet? The fake company doesn't give a shit that it is being fined 50k dollars a day because it is a fake company that was allowed to have possession of ballots, voter information, election materials and equipment and DOJ simply wrote them a stern letter. One of the biggest mistakes ever because it promoted the Big Lie and the fraudits moved to other states across the country where honest election officials were purged and replaced with Magats, and it's still happening because DOJ allowed it to happen.

Oh but DOJ indicted a bunch of low level Oaf Freepers and finally charged them with crimes that were appropriate. Several judges had to embarrass prosecutors because they weren't asking for strict enough sentences. Judges were pissed off, not me.

[spanone]

24. They should quadruple the fine or compound it hourly.

Fucking Traitors.