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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:06 PM Feb 2022

Would you want an amateur to do your root canal procedure?

How about having an amateur surgeon remove your appendix?

Would you be ok with an amateur mechanic adjusting your car's brakes?

Why are so many clamoring to turn the education of our children over to parents who are amateur educators?
Besides the fact that many, if not most, of those screaming about "parents rights" could not pass their kid's exams in math, science, English, history and social studies, they have no training in how to TEACH---which is a whole lot more complicated than just standing in the front of the classroom.

This nonsense needs to be rejected by thinking parents who know that letting the screamers set the curriculum will quickly lead to textbooks published by Nathan Bedford Publishing and the Q-Anon press, and---"teechurs".

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Would you want an amateur to do your root canal procedure? (Original Post) Atticus Feb 2022 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Feb 2022 #1
Many parents today are absolute idiots. My parents understood advanced math, chemistry, etc. RKP5637 Feb 2022 #2
When someone asked me why mercuryblues Feb 2022 #19
Yep, it makes absolutely no sense for some parents to think they are well versed RKP5637 Feb 2022 #26
Teachers aren't respected, so every knuckle-dragging numpty who has managed Ocelot II Feb 2022 #3
Well said!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2022 #4
Avoid root canals! at140 Feb 2022 #5
You're talking about people who will drink their own urine. onecaliberal Feb 2022 #6
Fortunately the root canal I had today Wicked Blue Feb 2022 #7
Funny! Tink41 Feb 2022 #8
Of course you negotiate with medical professionals. former9thward Feb 2022 #15
Really? Tink41 Feb 2022 #20
There are many, many knee surgeons. former9thward Feb 2022 #21
Agree, but don't think we'll get far enacting laws to keep parents from Hoyt Feb 2022 #9
People everyday have Procedures from new doctors. jimfields33 Feb 2022 #10
I did... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #11
I have to and never had an issue. jimfields33 Feb 2022 #12
Yup. 2naSalit Feb 2022 #16
The newbies are sharp and know all the latest techniques. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2022 #22
yeah this is a bad analogy, not sure OP is aware how many amateurs are floating around... cadoman Feb 2022 #25
When I was 12 years old I had a root canal. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #13
... 2naSalit Feb 2022 #17
What happened to me was not even a case of PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #18
When I was younger I had some cavities done without novocaine. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2022 #23
Something else that never gets mentioned. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2022 #24
Well for those who get their medical advice from Joe Rogan milestogo Feb 2022 #14

Response to Atticus (Original post)

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
2. Many parents today are absolute idiots. My parents understood advanced math, chemistry, etc.
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:10 PM
Feb 2022

and all of that, but I attended school. I could see most parents today trying to teach to me the advanced subjects I studied. I don't want to sound arrogant, but to me it's a total WTF when some talk of teaching their kids at home, a total WTF.

mercuryblues

(16,515 posts)
19. When someone asked me why
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 11:43 PM
Feb 2022

I don't homeschool my kids, my first response was...

I can't get them to pick up their dirty socks from the middle of the floor, what makes you think I can teach them, well anything.

Besides that, I'm smart enough to know that I'm not smart enough to teach them trig.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
26. Yep, it makes absolutely no sense for some parents to think they are well versed
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 09:29 AM
Feb 2022

in everything to be proficient in teaching. Also, IMO, kids really need the social interaction they get in school.

Ocelot II

(131,216 posts)
3. Teachers aren't respected, so every knuckle-dragging numpty who has managed
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:12 PM
Feb 2022

to reproduce (which isn't difficult; it's a process regularly carried out by creatures like squirrels, who are only marginally less sentient than TFG's fanpersons) believes he or she is totally qualified to educate his or her spawn, who will inevitably grow up to be just as pig-ignorant as their marginally-sentient progenitors who are not squirrels.

at140

(6,277 posts)
5. Avoid root canals!
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:19 PM
Feb 2022

Best way to avoid root canals is floss teeth after every meal.
Tooth brush can not remove food particles stuck between teeth.
And those particles are food for germ growth.

I had root canals done on almost all molars & pre-molars in my 40's & 50's.
Because I never flossed until age 40.
The root canal makes tooth structure weaker. A hollow stump is weaker than a solid stump.
Add on natural process of making teeth weaker and more brittle with age.
Starting at age 70, my teeth with root canals developed cracks, and that allows bacteria to get inside tooth, causing infections and pain. Then I ended up extracting all molars one by one.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
6. You're talking about people who will drink their own urine.
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:21 PM
Feb 2022

People who drank bleach and on and on. They're stupid beyond imagination.

Wicked Blue

(9,016 posts)
7. Fortunately the root canal I had today
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:24 PM
Feb 2022

was done by a wonderful and talented professional dentist. He and his partner celebrated the 40th anniversary of their practice last year. Shout-out to Dr. Dutrow and Dr. Manwaring!

Tink41

(537 posts)
8. Funny!
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:32 PM
Feb 2022

I was at the Dentist the other day. I've been in the construction trades for 30 yrs. The receptionist asked if I did side jobs. I don't.
For reasons like this: Receptionist "My husband can do little things, but we need to call in a professional this time." Oh really? Can you imagine me, doing my own dental work at home? People do not respect knowledge, training, expertise.
I see this all the time, and I have no words. No words for trying to negotiate my price. Do you negotiate with your surgeon?

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
15. Of course you negotiate with medical professionals.
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 09:44 PM
Feb 2022

That is the idea behind mandating hospitals to show their pricing up front -- not afterwards when you get a bill. Why wouldn't you negotiate? It would be crazy not to.

Tink41

(537 posts)
20. Really?
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 12:07 AM
Feb 2022

I'm going to tell my surgeon he/she charges too much for a knee replacement?? OK. That is why I'll walk you thru all the steps to do it yourself. Over the phone even. But I won't get dressed, pack my tools, drive to your house and then have you question my prices. You Tube videos. I'm sure they have them for Dr.'s, right?

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
21. There are many, many knee surgeons.
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 01:00 AM
Feb 2022

And many, many people that can do whatever you do. So yes, negotiate.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Agree, but don't think we'll get far enacting laws to keep parents from
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 08:35 PM
Feb 2022

homeschooling their own kids, or wanting input on what schools teach.

2naSalit

(103,806 posts)
11. I did...
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 09:09 PM
Feb 2022

In the last six months I've had fillings, a crown and a root canal all done by a "newbie" in a post-grad residency. His work was fantastic and I would go back if I needed more work.

2naSalit

(103,806 posts)
16. Yup.
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 10:23 PM
Feb 2022

Been going there for twenty years and trust them explicitly, the staff stay the same the dentists are there for a year post grad. Sliding scale fees and anesthesia, works for me when I have the cash.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,495 posts)
22. The newbies are sharp and know all the latest techniques.
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 01:22 AM
Feb 2022

That’s a huge plus.

The first dentist I “hired” as an adult/not on my parents’ insurance turned out to be an old timer on his way out to retirement. He was working in my mouth with no gloves or mask - Yikes. I only used him because he was across the street from my office (back when I worked 15 hour days)

He retired not too long after that and I ended up with a great brother and sister team in the neighborhood. They were younger and FANTASTIC.

 

cadoman

(1,617 posts)
25. yeah this is a bad analogy, not sure OP is aware how many amateurs are floating around...
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 02:53 AM
Feb 2022

Look up some of the authors of your favorite news sources and you'll be surprised how many 20 and 30 somethings are there. Look how many young teachers there are. Doctors all have to start somewhere, and there's actually a seasonality to it where you probably don't want to land in the hospital then (even moreso than usual).

The real problem is when amateurs are not accredited.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
13. When I was 12 years old I had a root canal.
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 09:19 PM
Feb 2022

The dentist thought he could do it without giving me novocaine.

Is it any wonder that I avoided dentists ever since?

2naSalit

(103,806 posts)
17. ...
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 10:28 PM
Feb 2022

When I was a kid I didn't have novocaine until our dentist told my mom he wouldn't work on us unless she paid for that, after years of drilling our teeth without it. I bit him a lot.

Now, I am terrified of the dentist chair but even more terrified of losing my teeth. I am thankful for anesthetics, I get knocked out for anything more than a cleaning or seating a new crown. It's worth the extra few bucks and asking someone to drive you to and from the appt. to not have all the trauma.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
18. What happened to me was not even a case of
Tue Feb 1, 2022, 10:56 PM
Feb 2022

my parents needing to pay extra. He simply didn't see any point in giving a kid novocaine.

This was back in the early '60s, which is probably important to note. Eventually he did give me novocaine for the root canal.

I also had extensive dental work at a Catholic charity clinic in Tucson, AZ, in 1964. And although I more or less got adequate pain relief then, it didn't make me any more likely to go to a dentist.

I can't blame anyone else. But I really did avoid dentists ever since. Plus, I have zero pain tolerance in regards to my teeth. Anything and everything is very painful. Just getting my teeth cleaned required novocaine. As a consequence, I've long considered myself as someone with low pain tolerance overall. However, it's apparently not common for a woman not to need any more pain relief some 24 hours after a C-Section, and to be able to stand fully upright in that time frame. Hmmm. Or to recover fully from a broken arm in two weeks. So, okay, it was a hairline fracture, but still, I was over 60 at the time, and two weeks after the fall and break, I was back at work.

Full disclosure: because of my neglect of my teeth, I had to have the remaining ones all extracted last June, and now wear dentures. The up side is that I actually have attractive teeth for the first time in my life.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,495 posts)
23. When I was younger I had some cavities done without novocaine.
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 01:35 AM
Feb 2022

The doc gave me the choice of having to make two trips or do it without as she didn’t want to numb both sides of my mouth.

It wasn’t really bad at all. But those were minor fillings,

I wouldn’t do it know and I certainly wouldn’t do a root canal without. Yikes!

I now tell the dentist “I’ve been to 50 Grateful Dead shows, I have a high tolerance for drugs so don’t skimp on the novocaine”

The Endodontist loaded me up with novocaine and then told me it’s gonna hurt - a lot- for a half of a second when she throws a final shot directly into the nerve. She was right but I never felt a thing afterward. I can’t even imagine the pain of digging that nerve out unmedicated. Yikes.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
24. Something else that never gets mentioned.
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 01:47 AM
Feb 2022

The standard novocaine injections assume that the patient's nerves are where they learned in school Which isn't always the case.

One time a dentist was trying to numb me, and it just wasn't happening. He kindly explained that I apparently had and anomalous placement of my nerve, and if I would be willing to put up with some additional pain, he could complete the procedure. Which is what happened,

Some years later in a discussion with my sister about dental work, she reported a very similar story. Which made me feel a bit better and that I wasn't simply weird.

The pain of the shots is essentially nothing. But my mouth is so sensitive that I needed to be fully numbed just for basic cleaning. One dentist I went to, the assistant took so very long to do the injections that by the time she'd supposedly numbed everything, the first part she'd injected was now no longer numb. Again, any wonder I avoided dentists most of my life? Or that I thought I had a very low pain threshold despite other evidence to the contrary.



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