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[bucolic_frolic]

1. Correct. Rule of law is lining up and prepping to move the ball downfield in one massive rush

This is legal D-Day.

[Escurumbele]

23. We don't know that, where are the signs that it is happening?

Let is not forget the Muller fiasco...

I have always been an optimist, but that is changing thanks to what we have experience in the last few years. I mean, Meadoes is still running around and nothing has been done, so where is the sign? Why am I, and people like Glenn Kirschner, blind to it?

[fightforfreedom]

45. Comparing this investigation to the Mueller investigation is ridiculous.

[RKP5637]

2. I think so. Also, rather than a slam bam, IMO, it's more effective having it revealed slowly

and thoroughly to allow the public to absorb it and to realize how widespread it was and hence the desire to prosecute. And then go forward massively and fully prosecute with all the ducks lined up perfectly!

[kentuck]

5. I think you are correct.

They need to reveal the information in such a way that the public can comprehend it, and not in one fell swoop, that can be manipulated and distorted to confuse the public.

[KS Toronado]

19. Yes, that's how it should play out

Slowly take the wind out of the magaloon's sails before FailedCoupGuy tells them to do something.

[Escurumbele]

24. But nothing has been revealed...where is the "slowly", we have zero signs the DOJ is doing anything

The only thing we know about is the fake electors, they had no choice on that.

[fightforfreedom]

42. That is not true.

[Grasswire2]

59. MEANWHILE, THOUGH..........

...the emotional damage being done to the American people is not (evidently) acknowledged or understood by those who are "in the know" of the plans for accountability.

Every day, TFG screams, threatens violence, lies, attacks every facet of our lives. Just like a monstrous and dangerous domestic abuser does.

And just as many victims of domestic violence/abuse learn, a sense happens as the abuse continues that no one who could lawfully stop this abuser is coming to help. To stop him.

The result is C-PTSD in the lives of the many citizens.

THAT is the result of failure to in some way apply the law in a timely manner, or to communicate with the public that help is indeed on the way.

I think the fact that the actors are walking free and spewing incitement to violence is causing horrific damage. I, for one, find it unforgivable. It didn't have to be this way.

[Captain Zero]

62. Maybe DOJ should announce they will fully complete their work after the committee

has concluded its' proceedings.
That way the media could start getting the word out to people.
Give some assurance of ultimate accountability.

[kentuck]

65. I think there is psychological damage ...

...just for the reasons you mention.

[Nevilledog]

3. I read yesterday that the committee is interviewing 5 witnesses a day.

[Escurumbele]

26. That is the committee, not the DOJ. We know what the Jn6C are doing, we see nothing from the DOJ

Plenty of evidence to charge many of them, trump, Giuliani, Meadows, Stone, etc., etc., etc.

[L. Coyote]

34. We see a lot at DoJ, just not the top of the conspiracy. Largest criminal investigation in history.

And all this during a pandemic making their work that much more difficult.

[Phoenix61]

4. Spot on. Criminal investigations don't provide

detailed public briefings during the course of an investigation. Now we learn who has been subpoenaed, who is cooperating, even how many times someone pleaded the 5th and in what direction the investigation is headed.

[MineralMan]

6. That's certainly possible.

However, it's also possible that the DOJ has been investigating on its own for some time now, but is not sharing the progress of those investigations yet. If that is the case, we might be surprised at the speed with which the DOJ moves at some point.

In any case, I'm certain that investigations are ongoing and that the DOJ is not dependent on information from the committee. I believe the two things are happening simultaneously, but that only the committee hearings are being publicized in the media. That's as it should be.

[agingdem]

11. Not every DOJ investigation has to be transparent...

this particular one, Trump’s election interference, his manic involvement in overturning a fair election, and the almost daily stomach-turning revelations, needs to be handled with finesse, and once presented for indictment, the evidence has to be incontrovertible..clear concise unambiguous proof…not a glint of daily light..I’m apprehensive but I am enjoying the shrouded mystery surrounding the investigation…

[MineralMan]

12. Most DOJ investigations are pretty opaque, actually.

That's how the DOJ has traditionally handled them. During TFG's administration, that was not so true, but it seems that things have returned to their traditional format.

[dchill]

39. "The DOJ does not comment on ongoing investigations."

Seems to me I've heard that a few hundred times. I have no idea what Garland & Co are up to, but to simply ignore seemingly obvious crimes committed in to open seems to be an unlikely outcome.

[MineralMan]

47. I don't assume that anything is being ignored.

That seems most unlikely to me.

[dchill]

48. I don't assume that either...

...but we both know from experience that these things have happened.

[fightforfreedom]

43. I have no doubt you are correct.

We already know the DOJ is investigating.

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. So much has been revealed since the beginning of the year, investigation has dramatically changed

Between the SCOTUS ruling on Trump’s records, the fraudulent electors evidence, the testimony of top Pence staffers, it’s a whole new ballgame for prosecutors compared to last year.

Much of this had been rumoured or had been reported in the press using anonymous sources, but now the hard evidence is in hand. That makes all the difference in making the case for indictments and increasing the odds for conviction.

[AverageOldGuy]

8. And what happens . . .

. . . when the Committee does not wrap up by election day? And Republicans take the House, and we are left with a lame duck Committee between Nov 2022 and Jan 2023 when the new Congress is sworn in?

Remember -- after about mid-July, nothing gets done in Washington during an election year because everyone is out electioneering. The entire House is up for re-election in Nov along with 1/3 of the Senate.

[mountain grammy]

9. Shhhhh....

don't rain on the parade.

[jaxexpat]

14. Yeah, we need our victory laps.

[kentuck]

10. Hopefully, Joe Biden and the DOJ will still be there...

...even if the Repubs take over the House. I doubt they will be able to stop the DOJ from finishing their investigation, if that is their goal?

[MineralMan]

13. Oh, they will be. However, there are things we can do

in the meantime to help prevent the GQP from getting control of the House and Senate. That's what we should all be focusing on right now and through 2022. Trump-endorsed House candidates, for example, are really, really vulnerable to smart campaigning by Democratic candidates. We need to exploit that as much as possible. Gloves should be off in that regard, nationwide.

[kentuck]

15. Agree.

Democrats should not surrender the House or Senate to the Republicans. With the right strategy, Democrats can gain in both, in my opinion.

[CaptainTruth]

17. +1,000,000

Complaining about the DOJ won't win the midterms.

Working our asses off to get out the Democratic vote in huge numbers will win the midterms.

[gab13by13]

55. Not holding the traitors accountable

will lose us the election. People are waiting for accountability. What a fantastic campaign slogan, wait until next year and then the traitors will be brought to justice.

They are rigging the 2022 election. Our DOJ allowed a fake company (Cyber Ninjas) to have access to ballots, voter information, election materials and equipment in Arizona and did nothing. The fraudits then spread across the country where honest election officials were purged and replaced with Magats. Marc Elias filed 36 law suits against the crooked election laws that have been passed. Marc Elias, 3 weeks ago, said that he can't stop the election rigging on his own. he said there is little time left to act to pass voter protection laws. Marc Elias who is tryng single handedly to save our elections told everyone he can't stop the rigged elections.

People need to wake up. The GQP is cheating. Trump just said publicly that it doesn't matter who gets the most votes, it matters who counts the votes.

Oh yeah, Jim Cooper who represents Nashville is retiring. He always won landslide elections. He is retiring because they carved up Nashville into 3 pieces and spread them into Republican rural districts and he said, he has no chance of winning.

Big Fish traitors need to be indicted, before the election, it's the best chance we have of keeping control of Congress.

[Arazi]

64. this

[Cozmo]

33. Yup, there are things WE can do. I've been working for my party and it feels so good!

[cilla4progress]

25. DOJ will have minimum 2 more years

under Biden. Even if committee goes away.

[Escurumbele]

27. Correct...There is plenty of evidence, plenty of witnesses to indict and prosecute.

I am so uneasy about the whole thing, can't stop thinking about the Muller fiasco.

[L. Coyote]

37. If ifs were potatoes, we'd all be fat.

You left out the IF, and a very weak if it is. Don't worry, we got this.

[fightforfreedom]

44. The committee will wrap up before the election.

They are not stupid.

[CaptainTruth]

16. And there have been 768 DOJ indictments related to 1/6, so far.

Claims that the DOJ "isn't doing anything" are absurd. The testimony that results from those 768 (& counting) indictments, much of it pointing fingers at those higher up for inspiring 1/6, will be crucial in bringing successful cases against those higher up.

[Escurumbele]

29. You get rid of the snake by chopping its head, not the tail. Those 768 are the tail, the dangerous

ones are running around still causing havoc.

I repeat myself...plenty of evidence, plenty of witnesses, even Glenn Kirschner is desperate he doesn't see anything from the DOJ. Muller, Muller...

[Mr. Ected]

18. I think the eventual Committee public hearings will be the catalyst for roping in the principals

Many, if not most, Americans are wholly unaware of what took place behind the scenes prior to the 1/6 insurrection. I think the hearings will walk us all through it. Any true patriot will realize that our democracy was shat upon by Trump and his associates. When the indictments start to drop, at least we'll all have a basis of understanding as to why.

[Escurumbele]

20. One would hope that with the DOJ capabilities, being able to use the FBI, that they would have

more, better and faster ways of finding information not having to wait for the Jan 6 commission to provide them with the evidence.

Time is running out, there is plenty of evidence to get the SOB behind bars.

Glenn Kirschner has said it many times, "What is the DOJ waiting for?" Glenn Kirschner was a prosecutor for over 30 years, he KNOWS when there is enough evidence.

Am I worried that nothing seems to happen at the DOJ? Yes, I am, and I am not the only one.

[patphil]

21. I think the public hearings are the key. He'll move once it's all laid out for the public to see.

Garland holds his cards close to the vest. You can bet that a lot is happening in DOJ we aren't aware of.

[ancianita]

31. +1000

[cilla4progress]

22. I

agree.

Every day new damning concrete evidence.

[gab13by13]

28. If so we are fucked,

it will be way too late, it will be election time and everything will be put off until after the election and if the Nazis win back Congress it will be so much harder to prosecute them.

[L. Coyote]

38. Wrong, DoJ doesn't change when there is an election for congressional seats.

The political balance in congress does not impact difficulty to prosecute, that is BS. It is also negativism, pessimism, and defeatism.

[gab13by13]

52. I understand the law,

Watergate only succeeded because DOJ convened a special grand jury that indicted numerous Nixon cabinet members. The grand jury also named Nixon as an "unindicted co-conspirator." Members of that grand jury have spoken out and did not want Nixon to resign because they felt there was evidence to convict him. Also, it was Republicans who convinced Nixon to resign.

During Watergate DOJ did its job.

Today, we have convictions and indictments for people who stormed the Capitol, attacked law enforcement, people died, threw feces on the walls, stole Capitol items, destroyed the Capitol then went on social media and bragged about it. That is what our DOJ has done so far.

Oh yeah I forgot, after a criminal referral from the select committee it indicted Steve Bannon for ignoring a subpoena, Bannon hasn't missed a beat, he is pushing the insurrection on his pod cast every day.

If this DOJ were serious it would at least appoint a special prosecutor who can't be fired or better yet convene a special grand jury.

What happened on 1/6 is far more serious than what went on at Watergate yet DOJ back then did more.

Today is day 50 since DOJ received the Mark Meadows criminal referral.

If the GQP wins back Congress, it will brutally attack Merrick Garland and Christopher Wray.

Did you watch when Garland testified before the Senate committee? Republicans attacked him for his trying to prevent violence against election workers and school board members. They accused him of violating freedom of speech. Did you see what Garland did?
He backed down, he said he was only working with local law enforcement to find ways to prevent violence. I saw it, I watched it, and Democrats were in control of that hearing. You bet it will be harder for DOJ, they don't give a shit about rule of law.

[intrepidity]

57. You are spot on imho

Another aspect that concerns me is that having such a long lag between when this happened (over a year now) and no consequences for those at the top (and shamefully light ones for those who have already been processed), gives the impression that whatever it was wasn't really very serious, because, you know, if it were, then something would have already been done.

So, *if* DOJ actually ends up doing something, it will be perceived as being political or whatever, because if it really had been critical, something would have been done immediately. I honestly anticipate that kind of thinking from a whole lot of people.

[kentuck]

58. The one thing that concerns me the most...

...is the opinion of the FBI Director. And how much does Garland look to him for advice? I'm not sure he was not close to Trump and chose not to do anything?

[ancianita]

30. Yes. Then justice will hit on an unprecedented scale.

[pandr32]

32. That's okay by me

My scotch bottle is waiting for the big announcement of how many counts TFG winds up facing. I am guessing there will be the biggliest list ever. It will be huuuge. It will be beautiful and a perfect call.

[dwayneb]

35. Totally agree with this

The DOJ has a mission to investigate, charge, try and convict. Realize that this is one of the most complex cases in US legal history. It took Mueller 2 years to complete his Russian election interference report and it could very well take the DOJ that long or longer to bring charges in this case.

Unfortunately our Fascist enemies will use the fact that the wheels of justice turn slowly against us. We saw how easily the DOJ can be corrupted by a criminal President, back when Trump was at the helm. So they must complete their work before Biden or Harris (if Biden passes during his term) leaves office.

[infullview]

36. Waiting for Godot er, I mean Garland

I agree this will be pushed until it's too close to the mid terms and no one will act because "it's too close to the election". I say we expell about 100 republican congressmen for attempted sedition just before the election. That, at least, will make it harder for these assholes to steal the majority.

[hamsterjill]

40. Why aren't the legal scholars saying this then?

There are many that are calling for Garland to act now.

[vlyons]

41. Patience is a very very great virtue

Patience is one of the 6 perfections of a Boddhisattva. I know that it is difficult to sit and wait for the boom to be lowered on Trump and his criminal sycophants. It may feel like nothing is happening at the DOJ, but I believe that there is already plenty going on. I rather suspect that there is already an ongoing investigation and cooperation between the J6 committee and the DOJ.

Garland is not stupid, lazy, or incompetent.

[JuJuChen]

46. sorry if off topic

but every time I hear the name Garland I think of Garland Briggs from Twin Peaks. Sorry to interrupt, carry on....

[Ferrets are Cool]

49. You are probably correct in all you say. I will not hold my breath for tfg to be held

responsible for his many crimes. Hell, Bush Jr was never held accountable for the lies that brought about the murder of almost 1 million children, women and men in Iraq. Nor the breaking of the Geneva Conventions concerning torture. Nor the illegal phone tapping of members of Congress.
Yes, tfg's crimes rise even above these atrocities as far as democracy is concerned, but I just wont believe it until I see it.

[Deep State Witch]

50. Agreed

I would be very surprised if DOJ isn't stepping back and letting the J6 Committee do it's job first, then make their recommendations. One is that it will be more public. Two is that there are probably still some TFG sympathizers or collaborators in DOJ that need to be rooted out. I'm sure that DOJ has a liaison on the J6 Committee staff.

[llashram]

51. yep

[iemanja]

53. that's not how it works

Adam Schiff says, if anything, the DOJ asks the committee to wait. You're simply wrong.

[SayItLoud]

54. Maybe, maybe not. TFG IS individual1 and still walking free. NT

[dsp3000]

56. My hope it's timed just perfectly to influence the 2022 midterms.

[Captain Zero]

63. and DESTROY a Trump run in 2024

or destroy a run by any other republican involved in 1/6.

[kentuck]

66. If Garland fails to investigate and prosecute by election day?

Will it have an effect on the turnout?

I think a lot of Democrats would not be very enthusiastic.