Why conservatism is incompatible with democracy.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

1. they believe in a moral order. A social moral order.

One must ask is it an order that helps or hinders democracy?

A moral order can easily be an order that says poor people are morally inferior to the rich and therefore deserve to suffer in the violence of poverty.


2.A a conservative adheres to custom ,convention and continuity.

What customs and which conventions and the continuity of what?

Some customs like gays getting married upset the moral order. So conservatives oppose it.

What conventions? that transgender people cannot exist? What continuity? That the republican party should run the country forever?

3.They value the order of prescription.

As in the principals and the social orders of long ago. Which ones?

Ones like slavery? Feudalism?
That property only were traditions that upheld a "social order" once..

4. Prudence,after long deliberation should changes be made.

What is prudent to them?

A deliberation and decision to choke off the democrats from making changes needed by the people too fast that they don't like?

Changes the people want and need that defy the " the moral order"that has been around for centuries according to conservatives?

Just because things have been around for centuries does not mean it is good for society today.

What kinds of slow changes do they approve of?

A very slow calculating coup to end democracy?

4.Conservatives pay attention to principal of variety.

What varieties do they pay attention to?

The many shades of white men?

They accept neo nazis to
the my pillow guy?

Or the varied opinions of billionaires vs the millionaires?


5.The conservative is chastened by the principle of imperfect ability.

So they uphold as their leader one who is the most imperfect leader in the history of the United States?

He who has no decency
virtue,brains or empathy
Because they convinced themselves god chose him to lead?

6.Conservatives are convinced freedom and property are closely linked.

Fits like a glove to the idea the poor must suffer the violence of property being denied them(rent too low wages to pwn a home) to uphold that "moral order"

Greed and theft at the lower classes is good if you don't get caught because it brings more property to the conservative and frees them from suffering a lack of freedom while everyone else suffers for the conservative to be free?

7.Conservatives uphold voluntary community
and oppose involuntary
collectivism.

What voluntary communities?

Cults? Think Tanks? "Gentleman's" clubs?
And we all know they will always uphold the volunteer military and police...

What involuntary communities do conservatives oppose?

Taxpayers?
Public school?
Sharing?
GBLT support groups?
Furries?

8.Conservatives perceive the need for prudent restraints on power and on human passions.

Restraints on who's power?

Black people?
Workers?
Democrats?

Constraints on human passions..

Which passions?
Caring about others and trying to help them?
The passion for learning and seeking knowledge by the wrong populations and classes in your" moral order"?

What passions are legit always to conservatives?
Sex crimes?
Hate ,bigotry,misogyny,
Trans phobia?


10.Conservatives recognize permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled.

What should be made permanent?

Rule by white men?
Autocracy?
Corporate greed?
Keep the poor,poor?
Bully workers and pay them as low as possible wages?

What should change?
Rich people paying taxes?
Gun regulations?
Making getting help for a disability and old age such a hassle and keep them suffering and keep denying them help through shell games bureaucracy and gotchas?


Conservatism is by its nature is anti-democratic.
The principles of conservatism evolve into autocracy over time.
Their nostalgia for old ways isn't always benevolent or just.

These principals are loosely applied and have lots of room for alternate perceptions..

Loose indeed..

Maybe its time for America to outgrow
conservatism and embrace the true meaning of freedom,community and respect for human rights for everyone.

Imagine a democratic party on one side and the progressive party on the other. The country would be a lot better to live in without a conservative party.

[iemanja]

1. Conservatives exist in democracies all around the world

And conservative parties are not typically White Supremacist. Those assholes have their own parties. The US is not a template for the rest of the world, and eradicating difference of opinion is not democratic. I understand that is the world most Americans want, which is why we are becoming a totalitarian nation.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

2. Is homophobia an opinion?

Not to them it has to do with upholding a moral order inherent in society like it has been for hundreds to thousands of years.

This mindset comes from thier beliefs and tenets.

[iemanja]

5. You spoke in general terms

You said conservative parties, not the GOP. There is a difference. Not all conservative parties are homophobic, and they don't all operate based on moralism. Most of world has multi-party systems with a wide range of political views. There are conservative parties slightly to the right of our own Democratic Party, which is conservative by global standards. Angela Merkel is a conservative. Do you despise her too? You see the world in terms of the narrow, truly fucked up system that the US has. That isn't applicable to most countries.

Traditionally, liberal parties were the champions of capitalism and conservative parties resisted it, tending toward more closed economic systems. Keep that in mind when you declare liberalism as the only ideology compatible with democracy. There is no democracy that is an ideological monolith.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

6. I am speaking of american

Conservatism. The beliefs of american conservatives espouse who have narcissism makes sure decays to authoritarianism
like we are dealing with now. Narcissists authoritarians and sociopaths have corrupted that party forever.

Because it has no platform just undefined principles that are loosely defined.So its open ended principals are undefinable in any clear defined way. Reminds me of the bible that has no clear cut way to salvation so many preachers make up shit and make it sound legit.

Remember when conservatives called themselves democrats and held up slavery and making them suffer because of moral principle of conservatism
saying bullshit like slavery built the character of the black man?

Yep they were so principled my ass.

https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

[iemanja]

8. That's a different matter

The GOP is a authoritarian party, no question. Though one could, and some no doubt do, argue that the GOP isn't in fact conservative anymore.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

9. I think

The conservatives have always been the same corrupted criminally inclined exploitative party.


https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

[iemanja]

10. I don't agree it's universal

And I know the history of US political parties, thank you.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

12. Ok.

The principles of conservatism vary I agree. In different countries its different.

But republicans who want to limit federal power especially for democrats use the conservative idealogy and thier traditional beliefs to justify thier criminality and abuse of people and power.

Look at how the filibuster is abused by McConnell..Something about conservatism attracts these cretins. At least in America.

Im trying to figure out what and why.

[iemanja]

14. They don't want to limit federal power

They only want to limit Democrats' use of it. They are all for massive government when it suits their interests. Bush presided over one of the greatest expansions in government with the Dept of Homeland Security. That was all fine for the GOP. They want an enormous military. That's not limited government. They want to limit government only when it helps people.

McConnell's use of the filibuster is a Machiavellian abuse of power. I don't see what's conservative about it. It doesn't hold to tradition in anyway.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

16. I agree

They use the federal govt as thing when they are not in control, and shut up about it when they get control just like the deficit and thier stupid base hasent figured it out yet. Maybe they cant.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

7. I do not want authoritarianism. I didpise it

And I hate all forms of fascism.

Even when its called conservatism.

[Solomon]

3. White supremacy is incompatible with democracy.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

4. Yes it is

Thats where believing in a
" Moral" social order leads..in a party chock full of authoritarians,narcissists and sociopaths..

They just say the quiet parts out loud now.

[Klaralven]

11. White supremacy was compatible with democracy from 1789 to 1861

It is possible for a majority to vote to enslave a minority.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

13. I agree with you.

[iemanja]

15. Until 1964

if not later.