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[Karadeniz]

1. Good going!

[marble falls]

2. I dunno. Since Texas has closed 90% of the state mental hospitals, it's a good idea to ...

... have them all rounded up in one place: Dealey Plaza at 19F seems about right. Too crazy to come in out of the cold, spending the kid's college fund seems OK to me.

I tell my friends back East about these nitwits, and they can't believe the Q-nits are still there.

You've got a handful of them, I live in the middle of thousands of them that live here in the Hill Country.

[7wo7rees]

3. Like I said, I kind of hold it to be a special place. QNuts keep me from going there.

I deeply resent that.
I do appreciate though what you say. And I really want to come visit your town and go to that diner known for their pies!!

[BeckyDem]

18. lol +1

Good point.

[snowybirdie]

4. I feel as you do

But the downside of Democracy is people can't be put out of lodging without cause. We have lots of freedom and those who take advantage of that are despicable. I'd rather we all keep what we have than illegally take away rights from the assnholes.

[7wo7rees]

6. Nothing illegal here in the ask. Shame HYATT for giving them shelter.

Shame Hyatt for giving refuge to this cult!! Drinking special something out of a communal bowl.

Is this what the Hyatt Regency Downtown Dallas wants to be known for??

I think not!

[Haggard Celine]

8. That's how I feel about it.

As long as they're paying the bill and not tearing up the place or causing disturbances, there's really nothing they can do. It's a shame what those people are doing to their families and friends while they run off to Dallas and live in that cult, but adults have the right to do stupid things as long as they aren't harming anyone else. If they want to get the Qnuts out of Dealey Plaza, they're going to have to get more creative than simply asking the Hyatt to run them off without cause.

[7wo7rees]

9. It is the Hyatt Downtown Dallas!! Their brand is what is at stake!!

Not a hard call at all.

[Haggard Celine]

10. Is it legal to kick people out of a hotel because you don't like

their beliefs? Would it be okay to kick out Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons? The Qanon cult functions as a religion to these idiots, or at least that's one aspect of the role they play. Would it be okay to refuse rooms to gay couples? Kicking out the Qanon people when they aren't being destructive or bothering anybody would be illegal, I think, or at least unethical.

[7wo7rees]

11. I never said kick them out. But yes, a hotel can ask guests to vacate.

[Haggard Celine]

21. "I told him to get the Qnuts out."

That's what you said to Kyle, the MOD. What else can I understand that you mean, other than kicking them out?

[Blues Heron]

27. cool story ...

[brooklynite]

28. Tell us: how do you decide which of your quests are QANON kooks?

[AllyCat]

33. How are they affording to stay in a hotel for months?

Or are they out on the grounds? If they are paying for rooms, why can we ask them to leave?

[Haggard Celine]

39. That's a damn good question.

I couldn't spend a week at the Hyatt, let alone months. It's pretty amazing how these freaks seem to be financially independent, like they're collecting manna from heaven. That's a question that needs to be explored, for sure.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

46. I'm dropping in to point out that Chapter 46 of the Dallas City Code specifically forbids

refusing service on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity and expression.

Yes, I know you were speaking hypothetically.

CHAPTER 46 UNLAWFUL DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES RELATING TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY AND EXPRESSION

[Rabrrrrrr]

19. It's a very difficult call - sure, QAnon folk are insane and a danger, but it's just as easy to say

"We don't want any democrats" or "We don't want any negroes" or "We don't want any scientists" ...

it's a damn slippery slope.

It's not like the protestors are in the lobby of the Hyatt harassing patrons while the Hyatt provides them with food and drink and free housing.

[Haggard Celine]

41. The way I look at it is, it's easier to keep an eye on them

when you have them hanging around a specific place. I don't care if the hotel is the Red Roof Inn or the Ritz, you shouldn't kick people out of there without a good reason, and simply being members of a strange group isn't a good reason to throw somebody out.

[Duncanpup]

5. I'm in I'll call

Yet if jfk jr and Hendrix do show up I’ll be pissed off.

[7wo7rees]

7. Thank you BUNCHES!!

[MLAA]

36. You can get pissed off after you get a selfie and an autograph of Hendrix 🙂

[Busterscruggs]

12. I called

And spoke to Kyle as well. He said he had a few people call but didn't think anyone was doing any harm being there so he won't do anything.

[7wo7rees]

16. Kyle is very low on the totem pole. Period.

[Busterscruggs]

26. I hope

That's all it was. I told him about this forum and how active we are but he was very dismissive. I'm sorry that my attempt wasn't more successful

[7wo7rees]

30. No sorry's!! You made the call.

Butterfly wings and all that.

This bunch are leaving. Only 1 one way!!

Public Shaming! And I guarantee Hyatt does not want this!! There are not enough dollars to recover reputation!!

[Busterscruggs]

43. What are your

Next steps if the phone campaign doesn't work? Surely there are enough of us in the area to stage a strong protest of their questionable business practices

[Tommymac]

13. Do you have the manager's name and email? I prefer email.

I don't want to call for many reasons but will email etc.

Would also need Hyatt corporate contact and their email if you have it.

Thanks in advance

[harumph]

14. Whatever crazy shit these people do away from the hotel

is immaterial to their lodging (assuming they're paying customers and
not trashing the hotel). You can however, stage a counter protest at Dealey,
or probably even better - ignore them. Or, even better yet, hire a JFK impersonator
(aged of course for authenticity - with oxygen tank) to just sit in the bar with a
couple of men in black. Only for 30 minutes or so, long enough to be noticed.
Then vanish like the wind!

[XanaDUer2]

15. Are they living there?

What's going on? They live in the hotel, then spend the day camped out in the plaza?

Are they awaiting something?

[7wo7rees]

23. Yeah, JFK and JFK Jr and who knows all who else to show up.

Just a bunch of scary grifters taking money from nit well people. Saving the world from rhe "Deep State" and pedophiles or some such BS!!

[XanaDUer2]

42. Are they milling around,

Throwing garbage, urinating, etc? If they're paying guests and not harming the hotel, there's not a lot Hyatt can do.

Having been in Kyle's position, (get homeless people out of the library), low-level employees can do little other than explain that, unless they're breaking the rules or law, they're entitled to be there.

[ancianita]

17. The very least we can do is call and inform Hyatt that we'll boycott the chain until they kick

these idiots off their property. No offense, but on my way to see my son in NM, I don't go through Texas if I can help it.

Thanks for this initiative, 7wo7rees!

[7wo7rees]

32. Thanks. Have fun in NM. My bro and his wife just moved to Albuquerque.

The "Land of Enchantment"!!

[7wo7rees]

34. Thanks. Have fun in NM. My bro and his wife just moved to Albuquerque.

The "Land of Enchantment"!!

[BeckyDem]

20. I totally get where you're coming from.

I would not make the effort to have them vacated but counter-rallies might be better suited?

[7wo7rees]

24. Oh hell no. Counter rallies against these people, an exercise in futility!

Boycott HYATT!!

[brooklynite]

22. Answer: no I won't

Because what Hyatt is doing is renting rooms to people who are presumably paying for them. What people do outside the hotel is not their responsibility. Especially when what they're doing is First Amendment free speech.

Do you want conservatives to pressure hotels to kick out participants at the next voting rights or pro-abortion or gun control rally?

[7wo7rees]

25. Always count on you brook.

The Harrington in DC shut their doors prior to Jan 6, Brook.
This is an iconic landmark in Dallas. And yes, Hyatt can be called out.

[brooklynite]

29. I'm a First Amendment absolutist...

...and thoughtful enough to remember that you can't limit restrictions on speech to only the people you don't like.

[7wo7rees]

35. Of course you are. Always count on you.

[ShazzieB]

38. I've gotta agree with this.

Plus: no hotel is going to kick out paying guests as long as they aren't causing any problems in the hotel. What they do outside the hotel is irrelevant, unless they're using the hotel as a base for criminal activity, and being a Qanon Qoolaid Quaffer is not against the law. Trying to get the Hyatt to evict them is a waste of time. That's not how any of this works.

[Ohio Joe]

48. How is this a First Amendment issue?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

50. What the Hyatt does or does not do is a function of the Dallas City Code.

I'm not familiar with it, but if it like that of some other big cities, there's an ordinance that makes it illegal for a hotel to refuse lodging on the basis of political affiliation.

Maybe it's Texas law. I don't know; I don't live there.

What QAnon does on the grassy knoll is (I guess; I haven't been paying attention) a Constitutionally-protected right of QAnon peaceably to assemble.

If the members of QAnon are being customers in good standing and not blockading the lobby, the Hyatt has no basis for throwing them out.

Two different things. One involves what the government can't do, and the other involves what the Hyatt can't do.

But this is DU, and there some people here who are adamant that vanilla is the only acceptable flavor, and that anyone enjoying any other flavor has to be stopped.

[Ohio Joe]

52. Yeah, I get that...

But that does not have anything to do with what the OP is requesting... Just potentially how Hyatt could be able to respond.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

53. Hyatt can't do anything, assuming

that the anti-discrimination code in Dallas is like that of other big cities, or that Texas outlaws discrimination on the basis of political affiliation.

Million Mom's {I changed his name to protect his identity) campaign is going to amount to him and his cellphone.

[Ohio Joe]

56. Maybe... Maybe not...

I still don't see any First Amendment issue with the OP's request. I'm not even sure the hotels ability to respond or not falls under the First Amendment.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

59. It doesn't. City code is what applies here.

1A comes in only if the city tries to round up QAnon for their (presumably) peaceably assembling on the grassy knoll.

DU's Million Mom can call up the manager as often as he wants, and if the guests are in good standing, the Hyatt cannot act in a way that violates any applicable city code or state law.

1A: government can't do something
City code or state law: Hyatt can't do something.

Two different things.

[kcr]

62. So, where in the Dallas City Code

Does it say that no one is allowed to boycott a business and let them know why they're doing it?

[brooklynite]

63. You're welcome to boycott Hyatt, and Hyatt still won't be able to kick out QANON members.

So what have you accomplished?

[kcr]

64. Your contention that Hyatt can't do it isn't based in fact

[mahatmakanejeeves]

73. {Band, bang, bang} That's the sound of my head slamming against a wall. NT

[kcr]

58. Cool

Then I guess it doesn't matter when they completely take over and destroy our democracy. I'm sure all free speech "absolutists" like yourself will be thrilled with that outcome the short time free speech lasts.

[brooklynite]

65. Free speech is speech rather than action.

Any effort to actively "take over" outside of legal elections can be prosecuted. And if your concern is that a bunch of fringe cultists are going to take over the national Government, or even the City of Dallas, I'll let you stew on that to your heart's content.

Keep in mind, I see you having the same free speech rights. You can fly to Dallas and counter-protest, or launch a boycott Hyatt movement from your keyboard to your heart's content.

[kcr]

66. Here is something you can stew on

It goes both ways. What good does it do to tell people they shouldn't express their views and boycott? People can express their views and boycott whomever they want, for whatever reason, and there is nothing you can do about it. It doesn't break a single law. So, what good do you think you're accomplishing here? I find it amusing that "absolutists" seem to have the toughest time with that.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

68. Confusion abounds. NT

[kcr]

69. Feel free to cite the law

that forbids expressions of opinion and boycotts.

I'm not a boycotter. I rarely participate in them. I don't need to in order to recognize boycotts as a form of expression. I do enjoy how much they rattle "absolutists".

[mahatmakanejeeves]

71. Huh? NT

[kcr]

72. Thought so n/t

[mahatmakanejeeves]

44. You're leaving out some details.

The Harrington shut their doors to everyone, except longtime tenants, because it would have been a violation of a Washington, DC, ordinance for them to discriminate in providing lodgings on the basis of political affiliation.

Either everyone stays, or everyone goes. Again, the longtime tenants had contracts, and they were a special case.

I am not familiar with the Dallas code, but it's not much of a stretch to suspect that discrimination on the basis of political affiliation is a violation in Dallas too.

Let's review what happened at the Harrington:

OMG, it was that idiot mahatmakanejeeves. All he ever wants to talk about is the First Amendment and stuff that no one at DU cares about.

Mon Dec 28, 2020: DC's Hotel Harrington, a popular spot for Proud Boys, says it'll be closed on January 6.

Sun Dec 27, 2020: For D.C. protests, Proud Boys settle in at city's oldest hotel and its bar

Mon Dec 28, 2020: It would be a violation of DC law for Harry's not to serve someone on the basis of politics.

You must have missed my earlier post about this. Here:

From

Sun Dec 13, 2020: A business associating with the "Punk Boys" and other fascists should be boycotted to ruin

In DC, they stay at the Hotel Harrington. They frequent Harry's Bar on the ground level.

A lot of tourists stay at the Hotel Harrington. A lot of people frequent Harry's Bar. The Hotel Harrington is near everything, and it is within the budget of many tourists.

Neither the bar nor the hotel can discriminate against people who live, visit, or work in the District of Columbia on the basis of political affiliation. Under DC law, that is a protected trait.

Here. See for yourself.

Protected Traits in DC Under the DC Human Rights Act

The DC Office of Human Rights enforces the DC Human Rights Act, which makes discrimination illegal based on 21 protected traits for people that live, visit or work in the District of Columbia. The DC Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination in housing, employment, public accommodations and educational institutions.

Protected Traits for Housing, Employment, Public Accommodations and Educational Institutions include:

1. Race: classification or association based on a person’s ancestry or ethnicity
2. Color: skin pigmentation or complexion
3. Religion: a belief system which may or may not include spirituality
4. National origin: the country or area where one’s ancestor’s are from
5. Sex: a person’s gender; sex discrimination includes sex harassment, and discrimination based on pregnancy, childbirth, related medical conditions, breastfeeding, and reproductive health decisions.
6. Age: 18 years or older
7. Marital status: married, single, in a domestic partnership, divorced, separated, and widowed
8. Personal appearance: outward appearance, but is subject to business requirements or standards
9. Sexual orientation: homosexuality, heterosexuality, and bisexuality
10. Gender identity or expression: your gender-related identity, behavior, appearance, expression or behavior which is different from what you are assigned at birth
11. Family responsibilities: supporting a person in a dependent relationship, which includes, but is not limited to, your children, grandchildren and parents.
12. Political affiliation: belonging to or supporting a political party
13. Disability: a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities; includes those with HIV/AIDS.

Additional Traits Applicable to Some Areas include:

14. Matriculation (applies to housing, employment and public accommodations): being enrolled in a college, university or some type of secondary school.
15. Familial Status (applies to housing, public accommodations and educational institutions): a parent or guardian with children under 18
16. Genetic information (applies to employment and public accommodations): Your DNA or family history which may provide information as to a person’s predisposition or likely to come down with a disease or illness.
17. Source of Income (applies to housing, public accommodations and educational institutions): origination of a person’s finances
18. Place of Residence or Business (applies to housing and public accommodations): geographical location of home or work
19. Status as a Victim of an Intrafamily Offense (applies to housing): a person who was subjected to domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking
Please note that these definitions are not exhaustive.
20. Credit Information (applies to employment): any written, verbal or other communication of information bearing on an employee's creditworthiness, credit standing, credit capacity or credit history.
21. *NEW* Status as a Victim or Family Member of a Victim of Domestic Violence, a Sexual Offense, or Stalking*(applies to employment): a person or family member of a person who has experienced domestic violence, a sexual offense, or stalking.

This information is also available in PDF format.

{edited to remove remark directed to the OP the first time this was posted, Sun Dec 13, 2020}

I don't know what they have in Dallas, but if they're like DC, the Hyatt can't throw out people just because you're upset by them.

I'm with brooklynite on this one.

[kcr]

60. Talk about leaving out details

Whitewashing their behavior as merely a difference in political opinion certainly leaves out quite a bit.

[BlackSkimmer]

67. Well stated.

Thank you.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

70. Thanks for the thanks.

The alternative to these ordinances is that hotel and motel operators can adopt a policy of "we don't allow {blanks} here."

You can put in whatever word you feel belongs there.

If the guests start burning books in the hotel hallways, then no city code is going to prevent the managers from throwing the ex-guests' behinds right out on the street. The city will shake the managers' hands, as the ex-guests are haled off to the hoosegow.

Beliefs and behavior are quite different things.

Have a great day.

[Hoyt]

31. I don't know. Despise GOPer racist asses. If one is for democracy, I'd suggest counter protesting.

[Fla Dem]

37. The Corporate Office is the way to go. Branch manager has no authority.

Mark Hoplamazian - President & CEO - Hyatt Hotels Corporation

Hyatt Hotels Corporation Attention: Corporate Secretary
150 North Riverside Plaza, 8th Floor Chicago, Illinois 60606.

If you'd rather talk to us, please email us at [e-mail] or call us at 800.323.7249 or 402.592.6465.

[Farmer-Rick]

40. Yes, the Hyatt can refuse service to anyone

As long as the group is Not a protected Class under the Civil Rights Act.

Q conspirators are not a protected class.

Hyatt would not allow a mass murderer's brunch, the child sexual abuser's holiday or the national thieves and frauds convention. Hyatt would decline because it would make their chain look bad and immoral. These Q people are along the same lines. Their lies and fake facts kill people.

I am calling their Hyatt headquarters in Chicago, they have email too. Their numbers and addresses are all over the Internet. They have a Facebook account too.

The CEO is Mark Hoplamazian and he has a Twitter account.

So, yeah if you feel the Hyatt is giving comfort and support to possible insurectionist and intentional COVID spreaders, then let your voice be heard.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

45. File this under Bad Legal Takes. NT

[Farmer-Rick]

55. File this under failed to provide facts.

[LAS14]

47. I'm with those in the thread who don't want to see Hyatt water down...

.... our rights to give voice to unpleasant ideas. Let's not have a country where corporations don't respect free speech.

[Sympthsical]

49. Could clean up homeless from other spaces in the city.

Help finding shelter, food, clothes, jobs, better circumstances.

But I suspect that's more than a phone call and two mouse clicks.

Ah well. Maybe next year!

[7wo7rees]

51. Every year at Christmas they usually give homeless a night....

Thanks to everyone for weighing in.
I worked in hospitality industry 20+ years. And yes, Hyatt can request guests to leave for quite simply being a disturbance.
There is no "slippery slope" here.
The only slippery slope is for us all to continue to remain silent and not call out bad behavior!

Q be gone!!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

54. Are they a disturbance? Not in your eyes; in the eyes of the Hyatt manager.

Are they paying their bills? Are they not blocking the entrances to the hotel? Are they generally customers in good standing?

If so, then why should Hyatt care what they do on their own free time?

"You're upset" is not grounds for Hyatt to throw them out.

[Sympthsical]

57. You want corporate control of civil rights

You don't like how people are using the right to assemble, so you want corporations to punish them for it.

So, there are two options here.

Using one's time and enlisting others to do something materially useful in improving the lives of others.

Or.

Recruiting a corporation to take action against others' right to assemble because you want to restrict political speech from the public square.

Good thing. Bad thing.

Which thing have you chosen here?

Always good to ask oneself these things.

[kcr]

61. Leave the corporations alone!

Seriously. Most free speech absolutists are really anything but. They are taking a side, and that side is corporations can do whatever the fuck they want, but we aren't allowed to say shit about it. Well, screw that. I will say how I feel about it, and really, there's nothing you can do about it! Hotels aren't the government.