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Baitball Blogger

(46,698 posts)
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 12:37 PM Feb 2022

Question about debt with China.

Exactly who has been building up that debt with China? Is it private sector or public sector?

I have to believe it was private sector.

If it's public sector, would raising taxes on the rich helped reduced the dependence on borrowing from China?

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Question about debt with China. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Feb 2022 OP
Both FBaggins Feb 2022 #1
China's overall trade is pretty much in balance Klaralven Feb 2022 #9
They used to buy a lot of US bonds. Tomconroy Feb 2022 #2
Yes. But.... paleotn Feb 2022 #3
China won't blow us up. China will own us. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #4
Like Japan I suppose. Didn't happen. paleotn Feb 2022 #5
China will most certainly be a 21st century superpower. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #6
Public Sector former9thward Feb 2022 #7
The Federal Reserve would monetize any Chinese owned US debt. roamer65 Feb 2022 #8
A trillion dollars Elliot Waves Feb 2022 #10

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
1. Both
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 12:46 PM
Feb 2022

The total amount of public debt is not connected to who owns that debt. China owns much of it because Americans by far more stuff from China than the Chinese but from us. If they aren’t buying “stuff” from us… then they have to do something with all those dollars.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
9. China's overall trade is pretty much in balance
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 02:11 PM
Feb 2022

They use the dollar trade surplus with the US to buy food and raw materials, e.g. iron ore from Brazil, cobalt from Congo, etc.

Since the dollar is an international trade currency, it is easy for them to use the surplus this way. China's holdings of US treasuries have been stable for the last 10 years.

Between the Asian Financial Crisis and 2010, a number of countries built up US dollar reserves to protect themselves.

Many nations learned from this, and quickly built up foreign exchange reserves as a hedge against attacks, including Japan, China, South Korea. Pan Asian currency swaps were introduced in the event of another crisis. However, nations such as Brazil, Russia, and India as well as most of East Asia began copying the Japanese model of weakening their currencies, and restructuring their economies so as to create a current account surplus to build large foreign currency reserves. This has led to ever-increasing funding for U.S. treasury bonds, allowing or aiding housing (in 2001–2005) and stock asset bubbles (in 1996–2000) to develop in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis#Asia

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
3. Yes. But....
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022

that dependency isn't in itself a bad thing, though I wish we were sitting on a lot more Chinese Yuan, not knowing what to do with it all. Two things in my mind have limited hot wars regionally and globally in the last 50+ years...nuclear weapons and economic interdependency. Nation states don't tend to blow up their customers or suppliers. Usually, anyway.

Irish_Dem

(46,880 posts)
6. China will most certainly be a 21st century superpower.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 01:02 PM
Feb 2022

It will happen quite soon.

Japan and China are vastly different on many levels.

The US is in denial about what is going to happen.

former9thward

(31,970 posts)
7. Public Sector
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 01:02 PM
Feb 2022

The Five countries that own the most U.S. debt are 1) Japan, 2) China, 3) UK, 4) Ireland and 5) Luxembourg. China owns just over one trillion of our Treasuries (as of a couple years ago).

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/5-countries-own-most-us-debt.asp

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
8. The Federal Reserve would monetize any Chinese owned US debt.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 01:30 PM
Feb 2022

They would simply buy it off the world markets if the Chinese decide to dump it.

 

Elliot Waves

(68 posts)
10. A trillion dollars
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 04:02 PM
Feb 2022

Just to put into perspective how much one trillion dollars is.

If you spend $1Million every single day starting on day one of our calendar (the day Christ is suppose to have been born), all the way to today. You will still need to continue spending $1Million dollars every day for more than seven hundred more years before you will have spent $1Trillion.

How much is our debt again? Just some food for thought...

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