"So you see, these cases aren't as "open-and-shut" as we might think."

[L. Coyote]

NEW: THREAD: a peek into what most people considered a “simple, open-and-shut” case in the Bannon indictment.

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[Beetwasher.]

1. Busy as Bees

But more quiet. As it should be. Carry on DOJ.

[L. Coyote]

16. The longer it takes to indict Meadows, the more serious for him.

It likely indicates there are other charges awaiting his sorry arse.

[dchill]

2. "Pardon Dangles in the wine...

...make me happy, make me feel fine."

Don Ho?

[L. Coyote]

4. The Quid Pro Quo Coup Coup Coup?

[malaise]

5. The Party's Over

Consequences are coming

[Tommymac]

12. And then The Peoples' Party starts!!

[Evolve Dammit]

14. Make it so Number One...!

[dchill]

6. Yes. Trump trumps trump.

"Just let me President again and I'll pardon YOU."

[L. Coyote]

8. How many people got pardons just before Jan. 6. Stone, Bannon, Manafort.

Did they pay the million dollar fee? I think not.

[Cha]

3. Rts TY Much Needed Valuable Information!

Link to tweet

[soldierant]

17. Wonderful information to have and especially for morale

but I'm not sure I would call it needed. No one "owes" it to us.

Too early release of too much information can lead to mistrials, and God knows no one wants that in these cases. Except maybe the defendats.

In this case, I'm not terribly worried (yet), since the information, while reassuring, is mostly procedural rather than pedjudicial. But my statement in the previous paragraph stands.

[Pantagruel]

7. Great trove of info

on why DOJ is moving so slowly. Questioning underlying authority and getting "buried in discovery" are time honored legal delaying tactics. Stay patient.

[Pantagruel]

9. Filing is key

Thanks for posting this:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017e-c722-dc1b-a97f-d77317fa0000

[betsuni]

10. Those "DOJ is doing nothing" pronouncements are really annoying.

[sheshe2]

11. Great news, thank you.

“The Arc of the Moral Universe is Long, But it Bends Toward Justice.”

[Scrivener7]

13. Our Democracy has been teetering on a knife edge for thirteen months. Hire more help.

[Chin music]

24. +1z

And stop giving people 8 months to answer for why they failed to show up when hailed, TO THE GD CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Far as I know, Bannons not charged w anything other than that yet.
Don't forget Adam Schiff saying the other day he "HOPES the DOJ is pursuing an equal track as
the J6 Committee." Sounding every bit like he didn't know if they were. Dan Goldman, Claire McCaskill. Malcolm Nance. Lawrence Tribe. Glen Kirshner. And many MANY others deeply concerned. To blow the inaction off like it's some creature of frightened DUers is some kinda dangerous. It's exactly like the Mueller Report in that nothing is happening. People are lectured and shamed and berated for questioning the pace and transparency, the seriousness of the 'res' of the investigation...on and on. Don't think you're alone in your observance bc you are not. Folks who say different are using the same tactics used during the Mueller investigation to shut everybody up and 'go along'. PS...Has anyone seen the Mueller Report? Even the redacted report was damning and enough to link trmp to russia in spades. The same russia/Ukraine stuff we are dealing w now. The Mueller Report, had it been made public, may have avoided ALL of the J6 crap bc trmp would've been exposed and possibly indicted a year+ ago. Don't fall for the "shut up and wait" line of talking. They don't know anymore than we do.
We are getting Mueller'd. Or worse. The J6 Committee is good, but, the time isn't there to finish. This isn't sediion, treason charges for Bannon. It's basically a 'show cause' for why he didn't answer Congress' call to tesify. At this speed? The rigged election will be our "Judicial remedy' bc of 'customary rules' of the DOJ or the FBI and indicting etc during an election season...or a 'president' ,unless it's HRC. And w jimmied up election laws, and no voting rights bill...We are on the precipice and that's no lie. We are being soft soaped and slow walked by the DOJ and FBI. And we are far from the only ones alarmed. Trust and believe.
Garland and Wray (FBI) have not proven themselves to be worthy of an all-in trust imo. Both are R's and both have been almost 100% radio silent. Not a good sign when we are 13 months out from an attempted coup WE ALL SAW ON tv. Posters here (myself included) iD'd Sedition, conspiracy, fraud, treason and a host of other crimes on an opinion board within a few days of jan 6th. What's he hold up w charging folks w more than 'contempt' for thumbing noses at CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS?
Opening a new investigation everyday is not a replacement for hard nuts justice. The same justice you or I would face had we done the same.
The sentences of the folks physically at the coup beating cops and shitting in the Capitol don't lend much faith either.
We have a right to our position to. And it's backed by facts. Not just sky is falling nervousness.
We are slow walking to a very very bad end if things don't drop in highest of gears. SOON.

[uponit7771]

41. right ?! The strawman arguments are boring and are ignoring what's obvious

[Evolve Dammit]

15. Bannon isn't "disagreeing". It's sedition, support of insurrection and conspiracy. Maybe more

[Meowmee]

18. Btt anything happens

With these cases it may be too late. I believe congress could have jailed them immediately for contempt. I expect no justice, and no serious accountability for anyone involved in this. If I am wrong I will be happy, I am not sure if happy is the right word after the trauma these psychos and everyone who supported/ voted for them or who did not vote, would not vote hrc etc. have caused me and my family.

[L. Coyote]

19. Bannon's trial is scheduled.

You are wrong.

[Meowmee]

20. Ok whatever you say then

I hope you are right. I still don’t expect any real justice or accountability for anyone.

[Chin music]

37. Contempt of Congress is a basic gateway charge to show jurisdiction over a defendant who refuses to

comply w subpoena.
It isn't what we all need in that we need serious charges on conspiracy, treason, sedition etc. The DOJ hasn't charged bannon w any of these other things. You are correct on your assertion imho. The result of this hearing will determine if the folks who haven't at least shown up physically to Congress when hailed, should be jailed. Probably for a LOT less time than the other enumerated crimes in this post. And will be precedent to the others that haven't complied either.
Seems like sometimes if we disagree here, it's suddenly a death-match or something. It isn't. We all agreed to be kind to each other here when we set up our account. that promise hasn't gone away over time. It fosters a nice atmosphere here.
Lord knows there's enough awful out there for all of us wo going for each others throats on DU imho. (Just my opinion.) We are having a discussion for the best results of all of us as Americans, and the future of our beloved country. Your concern is recognized.
I'm sorry about your loss. You have skin in the game for sure.

PS...Are they moving fast on the contempt? Possibly. Are they charging and reccomending sentences that will bring us closer to trmp and his family and 'admin'? Not yet. They are two different things I think.
Take care of yourself.

[Meowmee]

46. Ty ❤️

You deserve w medal for this post. You are a good person 🤗

[Chin music]

23. Bannons 'trial' in July is just to answer for why he didn't show up in Congress when hailed.

It's a contempt hearing. Not a trial on anything more than that. He should have answered the subpoena and plead the 5th. He didn't. This isn't the trial on anything more than that. Usually, locally, people held in contempt are jailed until they answer in court for why they didn't answer the J6 Committee subpoena.
The DOJ hasn't charged him w anything other than that.

[Beastly Boy]

21. You will be happy.

Actually, you can start practicing being happy already. Did the dozen or more indictments for the serious crime of insurrection come too late? Did this shatter your expectations of no serious accountability? It should have.

[Meowmee]

22. You might want to tone it down a notch

My father is DEAD. He was murdered and nothing is going to bring him back. In addition if this fails fascism is the future.

[Beastly Boy]

30. Ok, I will accept your post as an expression of grief.

And I am taking back my attempt to argue the case on its merits. It wasn't the time or the place to do so.

My sincerest sympathies for your heartbreak.

[Meowmee]

33. My post is not an expression of grief it is

Based on my assessment of the situation which I am entitled to. I am not required to kiss the ring of anyone in this country or to agree with everything that is done. And I am certainly not required to agree with anonymous people on a website. Or to be chastised by them because I do not agree.

This is still a democracy of sorts at least, we can make our own determinations and express them. For instance I knew what could happen and that we were in Deep SHIT when dump was even allowed to run for the highest office while he was inciting violence and behaving like a dictator while his nazi followers supported him wholeheartedly. Had I known it would result in my father’s murder and death we would have left the country before that happened. Something I deeply regret now.

But I do ty for your sympathies.

[Beastly Boy]

35. Mine is based on my assessment as well. But I followed your advice and

took it down a notch based on what you told me. I have no personal tragedies to contribute to my argument, so consider this an admission of defeat on my part.

I can't put it any more gracefully than this.

[Meowmee]

36. Ok

You are entitled to your opinion as well as of course. As I replied to the op I hope they are right.

[L. Coyote]

25. DoJ is not messing around with Steve Bannon

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26. Contempt of Congress. Not Sedition, treason, conspiracy etc. Big difference.

Conempt of Congress is a far cry from any of the above. Far cry.

[L. Coyote]

28. Yes, Contempt of Congress is the topic of the thread.

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29. Thanks.

And DOJ speed if I read correctly.

[uponit7771]

42. +1, like jay walking or some shit

[Chin music]

43. Important to the J6 Committee...

but unless the DOJ charges trmp w trying to overthrow the govt (or conspiracy to do so etc,, ) AND the other congresspeople who went along and helped, (conspirators) then they are free to run for office again. Things have to be RESOLVED in months bc the 22 election will allow seditionists, and treasonous bastards to possibly get re-elected, and use the levers of govt to protect themselves and flip our govt from a Democracy to a dictatorship. (Generally)

[uponit7771]

44. +1, there's a time issue involved in the J6 issue, I'm sick of the strawman arguments

[Chin music]

45. I think people are confused.

And I'm not surprised. It's confusing. It doesn't mean we are each others enemy here bc some don't understand the laws. Happens. That's why people shouldn't represent themselves in court, even lawyers, (Avenati) bc of tunnel vision sometimes.
I'm pretty sure I'm correct on what I say, but, I'm certainly open to evidence I'm not.
Time is most certainly, MOST CERTAINLY of the essence. No question about it.
It's Feb.5th....we have 9 months now to stop authoritarian congresspeople, a little more time for rmp. But, if Rs get elected in Nov and stop all of it, it's done.(IN MY OPINION&gt
Ty for your observance.

[uponit7771]

47. +1, the second the GQP is in office they will shut down the investigations and jail the congress ..

... persons sitting on the panel using a increased staff sergeant at arms force.

Then we'll be depending on the US court systems to trying and get state level cases of GQP anti democracy measures through before 2024 election which is a fat chance too.

The CURRENTLY effective anti democracy measures aren't going to help in 2024 and they'll make sure to nullify brute force voting (can't out organize anti democracy laws) and I think that's what people don't understand.

What the GQP is doing isn't just voter "suppression" its anti voter access and nullification laws that are present and WORKING even at the county level.

Voter suppression can be brute forced voter access and nullification can't no matter if you're up in votes 1 billion to 1.

Mark Elias is right, the M$M goes harder against people who speak out against them the the anti democracy of the GQP ... that's hard to ..damn

[Scrivener7]

27. The DOJ has asked him to speak with them. He has said no. They will

address that in July.

That doesn't seem like lowering any booms to me.

[Chin music]

31. The J6 Committee asked him to come in. He said no. That's the referral to the DOJ,

Nothing more than a Federal version of a State level 'contempt of court' for failure to show if you are hailed into court. And from the looks of his podcast, he has almost zero, if any, pre-hearing probation conditions.
Most people sit in jail awaiting this charge to be heard, at the State level.

[NurseJackie]

32. Thanks for a great post...

... lots of good information and an interesting read at the link.

[Beastly Boy]

34. Just for referencee, here's the extent of what DOJ has accomplished so far:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

Every case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia. Following arrests, or surrender, defendants must appear before district court magistrate/judge where the arrest takes place, in accordance with the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

Hardly sitting on their asses and doing nothing. And that's just the cases that have to do with 1/6.

Prosecutions are nothing like instant oatmeal. You can't get one by adding hot water and stirring.

[msfiddlestix]

38. Just so I'm clear, we are celebrating contempt charges filed, with a plea hearing in 6 months?

Is Bannon to remain in custody until his plea hearing? Or is he still a free little bird who is free to peddle seditious lies on his podcast?
.

[Chin music]

39. +1z

No. he's free to sow the seeds of sedition and division. Only charge is contempt.

[uponit7771]

40. Come on with the strawman post against CREDIBLE complaints about the DOJ.

[CaptainTruth]

49. But I was recently told that they're not doing anything.

Could that be wrong?

[Chin music]

50. See all of the above.