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sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 08:47 PM Feb 2022

Why Are So Many Upset By the Mere Thought of A Black Woman Being On The Supreme Court?

**Please note this article was written by a black woman. A few of the words are offensive, yet it is what is said about them, not what they say about themselves**

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It has amused me, and not in a funny way, to see those try and discredit a person who hasn’t even been nominated. By saying that he was going to appoint a Black woman to the Supreme Court, that somehow, President Biden has ‘tokenized’ this future nominee.

What complete and utter bullshyt.I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that when the announcement is made, that woman will be not only qualified, but overly qualified. Definitely overqualified when compared to the jokers that Dolt45 Chose.


How do I know? Because, I have been Black in America longer than three days.And, in America, a Black person, who is not a Coon, only achieves a position of this stature by being overly prepared. They have been preparing and striving towards this goal using Black Excellence their entire lives.

For those who think that this woman will not be defended from all arrows, even from those Blacks who think that they will earn brownie points by trying to tear down this nominee – don’t do it. Folks aren’t playing with you. Not one little bit.






Black women are not your mules. We are living, breathing capable human beings. And now, after doing the background work, it’s time for us to lead.






Read More:https://3chicspolitico.com/2022/02/02/open-thread-why-are-so-many-upset-by-the-mere-thought-of-a-black-woman-being-on-the-supreme-court/

I can't say this enough ...

They have voted more as a group than every other demographic. It is past time they are given the positions they have earned. It is past time for them to lead.

Black women are not your mules. We are living, breathing capable human beings. And now, after doing the background work, it’s time for us to lead.


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Why Are So Many Upset By the Mere Thought of A Black Woman Being On The Supreme Court? (Original Post) sheshe2 Feb 2022 OP
A strong intelligent and capable black woman will intimidate sweet Amy. NCjack Feb 2022 #1
That would bring me joy. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #2
Clarence Thomas will get flashbacks. A new Justice will not be his subordinate in any way. nt Hekate Feb 2022 #6
Oh, yes, please. ShazzieB Feb 2022 #26
Baaahahahahaaaaaa. What a joy that'd be. electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #101
Ahhh, gee, thanks for the smile! niyad Feb 2022 #16
I'm thinking Brad is more apt to be the one intimidated and crying dflprincess Feb 2022 #22
What a lovely thought! ShazzieB Feb 2022 #25
Oh, I hope so! soldierant Feb 2022 #32
We can hope. paleotn Feb 2022 #34
Heh! electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #102
More of Trump's nominees were rated unqualified than any other presidents Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #3
Of course not. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #49
TFG could only get these three assholes confirmed by MoscowMitch changeing the rules LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #73
What a great team of advisors @POTUS @JoeBiden has put together to guide the Supreme Court Justi LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #74
TFG nominated 9+ judges rated as unqualified by the AA LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #75
Third sentence in third paragraph she uses a word that I had no idea anyone of any color uses BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #4
I explained that in my first paragraph of my OP. I even double starred it. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #7
It's not at all uncommon on Twitter. nolabear Feb 2022 #67
Why are so many upset? Septua Feb 2022 #5
Because it will energize our most important voting block, black women. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #8
This is precisely right, Sheshe. Between gerrymandering Black communities out of voting range Budi Feb 2022 #11
You are correct. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #41
We want black leaders, just not THOSE black leaders -- exactly. betsuni Feb 2022 #50
I think they're already engergized... Septua Feb 2022 #39
More prepared than their professional peers, because they have always had to be just to compete Budi Feb 2022 #9
They don't like black or women. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #12
Yup. Why else would they devote such relentless time & funding to break the Black woman's rise.. Budi Feb 2022 #15
Unbelievable, isnt it Budi. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #23
Maybe I'm oversimplifying, and there is certainly plenty of old fashioned racism Gaugamela Feb 2022 #10
+1 betsuni Feb 2022 #51
Dead on dwayneb Feb 2022 #88
Right. Most aren't "upset," they're just playing for their team. Hortensis Feb 2022 #93
Very True - recall they picked Thomas and O'Connor treestar Feb 2022 #107
My only worry ymetca Feb 2022 #13
K&R brer cat Feb 2022 #14
KNR niyad Feb 2022 #17
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2022 #18
Black women in Alabama . . . . AverageOldGuy Feb 2022 #19
Hmmm. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #45
Or having a school named for them or being on a dollar bill, threatens the hegemony RANDYWILDMAN Feb 2022 #20
GOPs whine that Biden is taking unprecedented affirmative action. Marcuse Feb 2022 #21
Yup. In Black women I trust. TygrBright Feb 2022 #24
Some unqualified...see Nina Turner. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #30
"In black women I trust" sheshe2 Feb 2022 #42
I had this argument with a older female cousin Historic NY Feb 2022 #27
Well, there's your problem right there..."black" "woman" "Justice"... SeattleVet Feb 2022 #28
Sad isn't it. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #31
- Lemon Lyman Feb 2022 #29
Probably because the nominee's gender and race mentioned before Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #33
Look beyond the gender and race. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #37
This has nothing to do with whether or not a person has or doesn't have adequate Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #38
What? sheshe2 Feb 2022 #47
Hmmm maybe we are on same page. By announcing first that the VP Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #53
The dominant culture isn't JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #55
Ok. It just isn't as good as it could be... But *guess* get it. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #60
Problem is too many white people still don't think that way... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #106
Oh! My deepest condolences. electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #104
thank you, electric_blue. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #105
Eh? Don't think so JustAnotherGen Feb 2022 #52
+1 betsuni Feb 2022 #54
Thank You So Much! Cha Feb 2022 #62
I had thought that about Harris treestar Feb 2022 #56
Ya. But the end result would exemplify the same thing wouldn't it? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #59
Comey Barrett was not qualified to be put onto the court LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #77
Oh I think I know the answer to that.... *COUGH* sexism *COUGH* Initech Feb 2022 #35
Above all, it's about damn time. paleotn Feb 2022 #36
Thank you, paleotn. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #43
Rts TY, she & PJB.. he's the BEST!! Cha Feb 2022 #40
They won't. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #44
Yes.. Way Beyond Enough of Cha Feb 2022 #46
Luv ya. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #48
Love you Cha Feb 2022 #61
because in private, after a few drinks DBoon Feb 2022 #57
I want to thank you for saying this. I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #99
In addition to blatant racism, there's the stealthy-racism and resentment... NurseJackie Feb 2022 #58
Hmmm. Or could you be missing the view of liberal dems Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #63
Nope. That's not it. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #64
So who are you referring to? The GOP? Never seen what Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #65
Actually, I think you're smarter than you want me to believe. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #66
Ok I'll just guess - right wingers. Guess there may be a couple in the closet here Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #68
E for effort. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #70
Right-wingers trolling DU pretend to be more-progressive-than-thou. betsuni Feb 2022 #78
You see it too, eh? NurseJackie Feb 2022 #79
Wow. Sounds like you are suspicious of almost Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #82
No. Wrong again. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #83
Checking out for sure! Obviously I will never understand. Carry on Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #91
That's the best decision. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #95
One might want to just for one day try commeraderie Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2022 #96
Clearly that's intended to be some sort of poke or backhanded swipe at me... NurseJackie Feb 2022 #98
Giveaways are they ALWAYS make it personal, then accuse others of what they're doing betsuni Feb 2022 #97
Eh, I've seen the inverse also true Sympthsical Feb 2022 #84
Nobody here does that. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #89
Your second to last sentence describes a number of democrats in both houses of Congress.... George II Feb 2022 #90
Have you ever had days Sympthsical Feb 2022 #92
No, why do you ask? George II Feb 2022 #94
Because certain groups of people have the mindset liberalhistorian Feb 2022 #69
We had so many of the good ones, black women here on DU. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #71
I miss those DUers mcar Feb 2022 #81
I do too. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #85
Opinion: Biden's options for Supreme Court include many qualified Black women LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #72
Opinion: Earth to GOP: All of Biden's top Supreme Court candidates are qualified LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #76
I think I know mcar Feb 2022 #80
There is a misconception that racism, and evolving out of it is a natural process. ismnotwasm Feb 2022 #86
Simple - they will never agree with any proposal by Democrats dwayneb Feb 2022 #87
Uh... Cause they're racist? So many Smart, Caring, Interesting Black Women in America. electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #100
I'm excited about it. roamer65 Feb 2022 #103

ShazzieB

(16,352 posts)
26. Oh, yes, please.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:24 PM
Feb 2022

A strong, capable, black woman who he can't dominate and bully because she is his PEER is probably one of his worst nightmares!

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
22. I'm thinking Brad is more apt to be the one intimidated and crying
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:13 PM
Feb 2022

He just seems like that kind of guy.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,863 posts)
3. More of Trump's nominees were rated unqualified than any other presidents
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 08:56 PM
Feb 2022

But I'm sure the complainers had no problem with that.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
4. Third sentence in third paragraph she uses a word that I had no idea anyone of any color uses
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:01 PM
Feb 2022

anymore.

I’ve never, ever known a PoC to use that word. I have no idea what she even means by using that phrase. What does she mean? Are there PoC that somehow DO fit that word in her opinion?

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
7. I explained that in my first paragraph of my OP. I even double starred it.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:10 PM
Feb 2022


**Please note this article was written by a black woman. A few of the words are offensive, yet it is what is said about them, not what they say about themselves**


I will repeat. yet it is what is said about them, not what they say about themselves

Not sure how I can make it any clearer.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
67. It's not at all uncommon on Twitter.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 06:25 PM
Feb 2022

It’s certainly there, used in exactly the condemnatory way you’d imagine. I stay far away from any response to that. Not my arena.

Septua

(2,254 posts)
5. Why are so many upset?
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:06 PM
Feb 2022

Simply because it's a Woman who is Black, and I suppose, liberal. But it doesn't matter who Biden chooses. Another old white liberal dude won't be acceptable to Mitch.

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
8. Because it will energize our most important voting block, black women.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:21 PM
Feb 2022

Hopefully it will do the same to all POC.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
11. This is precisely right, Sheshe. Between gerrymandering Black communities out of voting range
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:53 PM
Feb 2022

..from the Republicans, ...& degrading, demeaning intimidation of our Black leaders via social media, as noted by the efforts of the fringe left, like Nina Turner, to break the bond between a Democratic Party loyalty & Black voters, which they would crawl over glass to divide apart, ..to the demeaning name calling & statements of our VP Harris.

Yes. It is about delivering a propaganda mass message that says "We will tell you how to think", & We want Black Leaders, just not THOSE Black Democratic Leaders.

Septua

(2,254 posts)
39. I think they're already engergized...
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 11:58 PM
Feb 2022

..but I agree with your point, which is certainly a factor.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
9. More prepared than their professional peers, because they have always had to be just to compete
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:41 PM
Feb 2022
"They have been preparing and striving towards this goal using Black Excellence their entire lives."f

Note that the keyword in this whole Biden pick media frenzy is, "Black"

These women are mainly defined by the color of their skin. 1st.

I hear little discussion about professional background, education, etc.
The most often used word of a headline, posting, or reply as to Biden's SC pick is always "BLACK"

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
12. They don't like black or women.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:53 PM
Feb 2022

Why? They see us as inferior when we are far more advanced than most male candidates.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
15. Yup. Why else would they devote such relentless time & funding to break the Black woman's rise..
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:01 PM
Feb 2022

Thanks for this thread Sheshe2.

It all has to be stated, because clinging desperately to this bitter racial & gender hate is just so stupid in the year 2022.

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
23. Unbelievable, isnt it Budi.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:17 PM
Feb 2022

2020 and some still haven't learned.

It is not just the GOP that fears them, sadly their are others.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
10. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, and there is certainly plenty of old fashioned racism
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:50 PM
Feb 2022

on the right, but I suspect the rank and file are opposed because Tucker Carlson and his ilk told them to be outraged. I think the faux outrage among Republican leadership stems from two things: the strategy of opposing everything Democrats do, and the knowledge that this appointment will bolster and galvanize AA voters in the midterm elections.

dwayneb

(767 posts)
88. Dead on
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 12:00 PM
Feb 2022

Same point I made below. Even if Biden appoint some white moderate candidate, the Fascist Right would instruct their goose-stepping cult members to vilify him at all costs. We no longer have a functional representative government, we are effectively in the middle of a civil war.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
93. Right. Most aren't "upset," they're just playing for their team.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 01:30 PM
Feb 2022

And as you say, they don't like anything they see giving us an advantage. That recent bridge collapse in PA generated a lot of "upset" against us also.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
107. Very True - recall they picked Thomas and O'Connor
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 01:04 PM
Feb 2022

specifically for their race/gender so as to troll the left with the claim they put the first woman on the court and picking a black man so that the left could be laughed at because the left of course would not want such a right wing judge. But they could say oh, he's black/she's a woman so this is what you lefties want.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
13. My only worry
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 09:54 PM
Feb 2022

is whether the S.C. starts to curtail the corporate takeover of America. If it takes (a) a woman, and (b) specifically a black woman to start reversing that trend, then may she be blessed with a long, long, LONG life on that bench, and four or five others along side her!

So, yeah, I'm guessing it's gonna be a pretty awful approval hearing for her, full of lying b.s., over-the-top litmus tests, etc., resulting in whomever is the nominee being ultimately painted as a Communist, regardless of how ridiculously over-qualified she, no doubt, will be.

AverageOldGuy

(1,521 posts)
19. Black women in Alabama . . . .
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:11 PM
Feb 2022

. . . elected Doug Jones to the Senate. (It was white backlash that replaced Jones with the dumbest person to ever inhabit the US Senate -- Tommy Tuberville.)

As Biden continues to appoint black women, the federal court system will be much the better for it.

And why are people upset about a black SCOTUS Justice? Because this nation has never ended the Civil War.

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
45. Hmmm.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 01:08 AM
Feb 2022
And why are people upset about a black SCOTUS Justice? Because this nation has never ended the Civil War.


Excellent point.

No, we haven't. See 01/06. Flags on full display.



Marcuse

(7,472 posts)
21. GOPs whine that Biden is taking unprecedented affirmative action.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:12 PM
Feb 2022
(CNN)President Donald Trump said Saturday evening that he will choose a candidate to fill the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's Supreme Court seat next week and his candidate will be a woman.

"I will be putting forth a nominee next week. It will be a woman," Trump said during a rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina.


[link:https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/19/politics/trump-ruth-bader-ginsburg-vacant-seat-fill/index.html|

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
24. Yup. In Black women I trust.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:19 PM
Feb 2022

Yes, I'm sure there's plenty of Black women who are unqualified for various appointments. But I'm betting that there's a MUCH higher percentage, overall, of Black women who have the education, experience, and qualities of character that will make them conscientious and capable public servants, than the demographics that are overrepresented in public service.

Just sayin'.

It's time, and past.

hopefully,
Bright

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
30. Some unqualified...see Nina Turner.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:52 PM
Feb 2022

However I trust Joe with his picks.

Black women who have the education, experience, and qualities of character that will make them conscientious and capable public servants, than the demographics that are overrepresented in public service.


It is indeed past time, Bright.

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
42. "In black women I trust"
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 12:34 AM
Feb 2022

I do as well.

Joe and team knows how to vet. We will have the best of the best.

Sad here at DU we lost two that knew what they were talking about. They were the best of the best, Everything they said would happen is happening. It happens slowly yet the wheels are turning. We are getting there.

My advice, get out in the midterms like you have never done before. Vote as if your life, your patents life and your kids lives depend on it.

My mom can't vote this year. We lost one hell of a Democrat.

Bless her heart.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
27. I had this argument with a older female cousin
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:27 PM
Feb 2022

she thought he shouldn't have said that was who he was appointing. I told her did it matter, your listening to chatter from people that don't think women are qualified, black women, like the most recent pick who never tried a case,

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
28. Well, there's your problem right there..."black" "woman" "Justice"...
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:41 PM
Feb 2022

the trifecta of GOP kryptonite.

They do not like any of the three.

Lemon Lyman

(1,349 posts)
29. -
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 10:44 PM
Feb 2022

KKKonservatives are trashing PJB's nominating a black woman because:

1) They want to ugly up the process enough in the hopes that Dems don't get the votes they need. I'm sure if Dems weren't able to put someone on the court by midterms repugs would come up with some new bullish*t rule that you can't nominate someone within the last two years of a president's 1st term.

2) They're cynically playing to their racist base, the same way their master did. They'll whip up the white racists and turn them against black people. All they can ever do is wedge issue and divide. They never run on bringing people together and fixing real problems.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
33. Probably because the nominee's gender and race mentioned before
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 11:21 PM
Feb 2022

Qualifications. Inane to me. And diminishes the nominee's bona fides.

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
37. Look beyond the gender and race.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 11:34 PM
Feb 2022

Actually take the time to look at their qualifications.

You can look them all up. Pretty sure Joe and his team has fully vetted them.

I don't have the time or patience right now to locate them all. I just lost my mom and it is beyond me to go further right now. It's all out there.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
38. This has nothing to do with whether or not a person has or doesn't have adequate
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 11:53 PM
Feb 2022

qualifications. Anytime you make that second to what a person looks like it diminishes one's stature, regardless of what they look like, IMHO.

Condolences for the loss of your mom!

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
47. What?
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 01:36 AM
Feb 2022

I am having a hard time following you.

This has nothing to do with whether or not a person has or doesn't have adequate qualifications.


Okay...nothing to do with qualifications.

Anytime you make that second to what a person looks like it diminishes one's stature, regardless of what they look like, IMHO.


What?

I don't see their color and female status and never said that. I said to look at their qualifications. That does nothing to diminish their stature.

Thank you for your condolences.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
53. Hmmm maybe we are on same page. By announcing first that the VP
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 09:44 AM
Feb 2022

was going to be a WOC and now announcing that the SC choice would be a WOC, one automatically reduces the overall number of human beings who are qualified choices for consideration regardless of gender or race. In addition, it places added stress on the nominee to have to defend their credentials. ( Because by it's very nature, the method of selection relegated credentials to #2).

This in no way means that a nominee may not have strong credentials. My only point is that it's an odd way to go about it imho. Not sure what you gain? And it strikes me as unfair to a nominee in addition, was hoping we'd be way beyond this by now. That people are first judged by accomplishment and then what they happen to look like second.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
55. The dominant culture isn't
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 02:44 PM
Feb 2022


was hoping we'd be way beyond this by now. That people are first judged by accomplishment and then what they happen to look like second.


Their problem, they made the system - so we have to shove them out of the way.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
52. Eh? Don't think so
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 09:06 AM
Feb 2022

The default setting is White, Male and Christian for a SCOTUS nominee.

Moreover, Biden made this promise to Us in the debate before the SC Primary.

Folks cheer Us for "saving Democracy".

Did you know black women now hold the highest number of bachelor's degrees? The default setting for "who is qualified for leadership in America" is going to HAVE to change. This is a good start.

Even if Biden had not made that promise AND is making good on it -

The default setting and their hand maidens would have lost their minds. They've been losing them since 2007.

I'm over them. I don't care what they think or feel. They did it to themselves.

Us - black women - have hardened our hearts and minds.

If they collectively stroke out on her first day on the bench - its not my problem. They are in the way - good riddance.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
56. I had thought that about Harris
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 03:10 PM
Feb 2022

Just say you choose Harris. No need to preface the choice with "I'm going to pick a woman." So it seems he wants that emphasized - that he is doing it thinkingly.

paleotn

(17,906 posts)
36. Above all, it's about damn time.
Sat Feb 5, 2022, 11:31 PM
Feb 2022

Biden isn't limiting himself. This isn't token bullshit. The pool of qualified black women to choose from is huge.

Cha

(297,065 posts)
40. Rts TY, she & PJB.. he's the BEST!!
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 12:15 AM
Feb 2022


And Black Women have already Done So Much for "Saving America".. and they won't stop.

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
44. They won't.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 12:51 AM
Feb 2022

We won't.

I so want to see a WOC on the bench.

Look forward to the asshole GOP twisting themselves in knots saying they are not qualified.

Hmm, remember the frat boy, rape, beer boy Kavanaugh. Burst into tears during his confirmation. What a weak pathetic peace of shit. CONFIRMED!

No woman would do that. We are the weaker sex? KISS MY ASS!

DBoon

(22,353 posts)
57. because in private, after a few drinks
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 03:15 PM
Feb 2022

They will tell you that Black women were meant to be housekeepers, nannies, and kitchen staff.

Conservatism is based on a "natural" hierarchy of humans. There are leaders and there are followers. Destruction will follow any attempt to change this

Appointing a Black woman to the Supreme Court upends their whole world view and thus cannot be allowed.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
99. I want to thank you for saying this.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 08:09 PM
Feb 2022

Conservatism is based on a "natural" hierarchy of humans..

So many people forget that fact when talking about conservatism or ignore it. It is a central core belief that conservatism has.

People forget a hierarchy has to have a top and a bottom..

I for one reject the notion of a hierarchy of humans.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
58. In addition to blatant racism, there's the stealthy-racism and resentment...
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 03:19 PM
Feb 2022

... of anything that could be interpreted as "Affirmative Action". There's the underlying belief that someone else was probably more deserving but was overlooked for the position.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
63. Hmmm. Or could you be missing the view of liberal dems
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 05:18 PM
Feb 2022

Who are very attuned to the hope that all people will one day be treated the same?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
65. So who are you referring to? The GOP? Never seen what
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 05:58 PM
Feb 2022

You look like so hard to judge if you sound smarter. Lol

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
66. Actually, I think you're smarter than you want me to believe.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 06:16 PM
Feb 2022
So who are you referring to?
Actually, I think you're smarter than you want me to believe. I was just as clear as I needed to be. --- So, here's the thing: all I'm trying to say is just give it a little thought, and the answer will come ... without my having to spell it out.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
70. E for effort.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 07:25 PM
Feb 2022
Ok I'll just guess - right wingers.
E for effort. It's a rather perfunctory answer, but if nothing else, I'll give points for confidence.

Guess there may be a couple in the closet here
Everyone knows that that this type of resentment that I'm referring to has no exclusive domain. It's sad but true that this exists across the entire political and socioeconomic spectrum. Even the best of us are imperfect and it serves no good purpose to deny it; or to live is some alternate reality fantasy world; or to try and bully people by demanding that everyone look the other way... and act as if this mental poison only belongs to the "other". That solves nothing. Denying reality changes nothing. It's my hope that reasonable, rational and thoughtful people will have the courage be able to look within and recognize their flaws; accept their flaws; and be willing to learn and change. It's time for good people to stop hiding from the truth and call-out soft-bigotry and stealth-racism rather than making excuses for it or ignoring it.

Carry on.
HA! Oh, you! That's so funny!

betsuni

(25,448 posts)
78. Right-wingers trolling DU pretend to be more-progressive-than-thou.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:10 AM
Feb 2022

Attacking Democrats from the "Left," calling Democrats corporate Dems, same as Republicans, they do nothing, status quo, corrupt, ignore the working class, elites, and on and on.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
79. You see it too, eh?
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 10:01 AM
Feb 2022
Attacking Democrats from the "Left," calling Democrats corporate Dems, same as Republicans, they do nothing, status quo, corrupt, ignore the working class, elites, and on and on.
It's amusing (but also maddening) whenever I see people on the internet and on Twitter (and elsewhere) engaging in that type of behavior... but then when challenged or when the behavior is called out, the response is always this highly predictable Bambi-eyed "who me-e-e-e?" while feigning innocence and pretending to be insulted.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
83. No. Wrong again.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 11:19 AM
Feb 2022
Sounds like you are suspicious of almost
No. Wrong again. Do not try to make this about me. This is not about me. That type of behavior suggests that someone is arguing from a position of weakness or want to change the subject by getting personal, or insulting, or making ridiculous judgements in an effort to put others on the defensive.

Sorry for that.
Yes, I'm sure. Please... Carry on.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
95. That's the best decision.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 03:42 PM
Feb 2022
Checking out for sure!
That's the best decision. On that we can agree.

Obviously I will never understand.
I believe you're actually smarter than you think I think you are.

Carry on
Dismissed.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
96. One might want to just for one day try commeraderie
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 03:58 PM
Feb 2022

with those on your side. Just might make for a happier existence

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
98. Clearly that's intended to be some sort of poke or backhanded swipe at me...
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 06:47 PM
Feb 2022
One might want to just for one day try commeraderie with those on your side.
Clearly that's intended to be some sort of poke or backhanded swipe at me... but honestly, I really have no idea what that's supposed to mean... or why anyone would say something like that. Fact of the matter is that I'm always pleasant and friendly with "those on my side".

Just might make for a happier existence
Seriously? What a rotten thing to say to me. I'll be honest when I tell you that I it's presumptuous and insulting for anyone to think they're in a position to judge what kind of "existence" I have, and whether it's happy or fulfilling.

I haven't said rotten things about you. Why would you believe that it's okay to say such things about me. I haven't gotten "personal" with you. Why is it suddenly okay to get personal and insulting with me?

betsuni

(25,448 posts)
97. Giveaways are they ALWAYS make it personal, then accuse others of what they're doing
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 06:11 PM
Feb 2022

and of what they are. Always. Those types are very bad at reading comprehension, too, for some reason.

Sympthsical

(9,067 posts)
84. Eh, I've seen the inverse also true
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 11:46 AM
Feb 2022

People who make a great show of being 100% loyal to the party, then spending their every waking hour attacking liberal and progressive policies and the politicians most closely associated with them.

If nothing in our stated platform and goals is good to a person, well, that's kind of weird.

I am suspicious of an undershirt.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
89. Nobody here does that.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 12:53 PM
Feb 2022
People who make a great show of being 100% loyal to the party, then spending their every waking hour attacking liberal and progressive policies and the politicians most closely associated with them.
Nobody here does that.

If nothing in our stated platform and goals is good to a person, well, that's kind of weird.
What does this even mean?

I am suspicious of an undershirt.
What a strange thing to say. How do you feel toward socks?

George II

(67,782 posts)
90. Your second to last sentence describes a number of democrats in both houses of Congress....
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 12:58 PM
Feb 2022

...but none that I know of here on DU. They go on about how our "platform" is horrible even if they agree with 90-95% of it.

As has been incorrectly attributed to Abraham Lincoln, "you can fool some of the people some of the people some of the time, or some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." *

I guess that's the inverse of the inverse?

BTW, I always wear undershirts.

*The actual quote was “Judge Douglas cannot fool the people: you may fool people for a time; you can fool a part of the people all the time; but you can’t fool all the people all the time.”

liberalhistorian

(20,815 posts)
69. Because certain groups of people have the mindset
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 07:14 PM
Feb 2022

that black women should only be cleaning the court offices, and not sitting behind the desk of them. Just like they were of the mindset that a black man should only be good for cleaning the Oval Office and not sitting behind the president's desk. To these people, that is their only proper "place"' and they can't handle the cognitive dissonance of seeing them in positions that they've been taught that only whites deserve.

These are the same dipshit ignoramuses who believe that POC and women, and especially POC women, only achieved higher up positions through affirmative action. They can't conceive of the fact that intelligence, skills and abilities know no skin color and that it's only the institutionalization of white supremacy that has made it seem otherwise.

sheshe2

(83,711 posts)
71. We had so many of the good ones, black women here on DU.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 08:05 PM
Feb 2022

Gone for various reasons. The African American Group, closed and basically shuttered. They turned out the lights.

Because certain groups of people have the mindset

that black women should only be cleaning the court offices, and not sitting behind the desk of them.


Yes. And having taught law and worked in judiciary are at times ridiculed and swept away.

I won't say more other than to thank you for your thoughtful post.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,063 posts)
72. Opinion: Biden's options for Supreme Court include many qualified Black women
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 03:03 AM
Feb 2022

The persons on the short list announced by the press are all outstanding and very qualified lawyers who are actually far more qualified than partisan hacks like Kavanaugh and Barret Comey (neither of which were qualified)




And excellence need not be sacrificed in the slightest to achieve diversity on the court. Consider the qualifications of the 13 women (all African American) who have been reported as possible Biden appointees. Ten of them are graduates of Harvard or Yale Law School, most having served or been editors on the law review. The three others have law degrees from Duke, Tulane and NYU, no slouch legal institutions themselves. Only two of the potential candidates do not possess federal judicial clerkship experience. Nine of the 13 are currently sitting judges. Two of the others are nominees to federal courts of appeals, and one is a law school dean and the other, the director of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. They have all served with distinction in important positions.

This is an incredibly impressive list of outstanding, talented women, any one of whom would be indisputably qualified to serve as an associate justice of the Supreme Court. Take just one — California Supreme Court Justice Leondra Kruger — as an example. Kruger is a magna cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Harvard College and a former editor-in-chief of the Yale Law Journal. She currently serves as an associate justice on the California Supreme Court, a position she has held for seven years. Kruger clerked for Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens, has argued 12 cases before the Supreme Court, taught at University of Chicago Law School, and worked for Jenner & Block and WilmerHale, both prestigious law firms.

Can anyone fairly claim those credentials reflect anything other than the most outstanding “qualifications” imaginable for a Supreme Court justice?

And there are 12 more African American women on the list just like Kruger in terms of background, experience, education, achievement and judicial aptitude.

So much for the “affirmative action” canard.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,063 posts)
76. Opinion: Earth to GOP: All of Biden's top Supreme Court candidates are qualified
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 03:20 AM
Feb 2022

The lawyers on the shortlist are all very qualified




Maybe. But this prevarication strikes me as a strange place to make an ethical stand. Rather, we should ask: Is it generally a good thing when the country’s highest court becomes more diverse in background? Of course it is. For his vigorous assertion of this point, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) deserves credit. “Put me in the camp of making sure the court and other institutions look like America,” the senator said. “You know, we make a real effort as Republicans to recruit women and people of color to make the party look more like America.”

Few would accuse Biden of considering candidates who are not qualified. Graham is partial to a contender from South Carolina, U.S. District Judge J. Michelle Childs, whom he calls a “fair-minded, highly gifted jurist” and “one of the most decent people I’ve ever met.” U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, California Supreme Court Justice Leondra R. Kruger and others draw similar praise. The whole process is highlighting the Supreme Court-level achievements of Black women. Why should this immediately strike some Republicans as evidence of affirmative action and litmus tests? Isn’t that tendency itself an indictment?

Allowing diversity to matter is also allowing history to matter. It matters that the Supreme Court, led from 1836 to 1864 by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney — who wrote the decision that denied citizenship to all Black Americans — will eventually have a Black female justice. It matters that the historical legacy of the 1857 Dred Scott v. Sandford decision, which found Black people to have “no rights which the White man was bound to respect,” should die, in part, at the hand of a highly respected Black woman. It matters when the ghosts are finally exorcised and the spiritual high places of our democracy are cleansed.

None of this will be evident in the worst of the nomination process, when the culture war is revealed in its full ugliness. But what Biden promises to do in the elevation of a Black woman to the Supreme Court is not the problem.

ismnotwasm

(41,974 posts)
86. There is a misconception that racism, and evolving out of it is a natural process.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 11:49 AM
Feb 2022

The beginnings of modern American racism rests on a LOT of carefully manipulated situations in general history but modern racism, in America, in entrenched and what is generally called out is the merely tip of the iceberg as the saying is.

For from being a “tribal” reaction, modern American racism is carefully orchestrated, encouraged and supported. Add what this racism has done to Black women, you get this bullshit. What should be a time of celebration is attacked by the right and sea-lioned by others.

dwayneb

(767 posts)
87. Simple - they will never agree with any proposal by Democrats
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 11:56 AM
Feb 2022

It's not really so much about the nominee being black or female. It's because they must ALWAYS oppose any candidate that any Democratic Administration might propose.

Sure some of them might be overtly racist or misogynistic. But generally, it's because they can no longer ever agree to any proposal from the Democrats, because anyone not in lockstep with their neo-Fascist agenda is by definition their enemy.

This is no longer representative government, this is effectively a civil war. They view supporting any Democratic nominated Supreme Court candidate regardless of the race or sex as giving comfort to the enemy.

Imagine if Biden proposed some white moderate candidate. Do you really think they would vote to approve him either? They would simply find another reason to vilify him.

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