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Nevilledog

(51,005 posts)
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 02:32 AM Feb 2022

Rogan slammed over 2011 video of him laughing about forcing female comedians to have sex




https://www.the-sun.com/news/1016817/joe-rogan-video-laughing-joey-diaz-forcing-female-comedians-oral-sex/amp/


TRIGGER WARNING

In the recently resurfaced 2011 clip from 'The Joe Rogan Experience' podcast, Rogan seems to find his friend's recollection hilarious, and sends him doubling over in laughter and throwing his hands back in delight.

57-year-old Diaz continues: "You think I’m f****** kidding? Yeah, you’ve got to suck my d*** to get up to the Belly Room", referring to a popular LA comedy club.

“How many girls did you have do that?” Rogan asks.

“Oh, 20,” Diaz flippantly responds as Rogan laughs and claps his hands.

"I’ll make a call for you. That’s the f****** gateway into coming to Hollywood, everybody knows that," he adds.

Diaz recalls more of the disturbing details, saying: "I had this little blonde open mic chick that used to come up to the comedy store with a 20 and take me up to the Belly Room and suck my d*** then go do her set .... She was tremendous.

"She finally freaked out when she got to Hollywood she was beautiful and when she left she had dirty f****** nails."


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Rogan slammed over 2011 video of him laughing about forcing female comedians to have sex (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2022 OP
Sick asshole. As is anyone who listens to Rogan. SunSeeker Feb 2022 #1
Completely unsurprising (because it a fucking *decade* old, y'all had 10+ yrs to spot this). RockRaven Feb 2022 #2
I'd be surprised if more than a handful of people here have listened to him. Nevilledog Feb 2022 #3
i didn't really know why he was famous until recently.. had long forgotten about fear factor Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #5
Wow. That was him? ecstatic Feb 2022 #9
I didn't know who Rogan was or what Spotify was until the controversy erupted here. hunter Feb 2022 #19
No Lithos Feb 2022 #4
Excellent points PJMcK Feb 2022 #6
Uncovering How the Spotify Algorithm Works Celerity Feb 2022 #8
I would never use Spotify period. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #16
At one time, they tried to give Rush Limbaugh (still dead) a TV Show and a gig on Monday Night Footb maxrandb Feb 2022 #10
Whatever, but Rogan needs to go too. We can focus on more than... brush Feb 2022 #12
Exactly. These giant companies don't care about the damage they're doing. yardwork Feb 2022 #20
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2022 #23
The other guy on the video looked a bit uncomfortable to say the least. shrike3 Feb 2022 #26
Joey 'Sperm Balls' Diaz went to the 'Belly Room' too much, apparently Celerity Feb 2022 #7
Hasn't seen his own dick in 20 years alphafemale Feb 2022 #14
He still.brigades MRAs, etal to attack women sports writers obamanut2012 Feb 2022 #11
Oddly, this sickening story of rape is not getting nearly the attention the racism is. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #24
There are some things men may never understand. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2022 #13
He gives a voice to the young white male our society has created. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #15
Nothing new here Dirty Socialist Feb 2022 #17
Rogan insists that he's a liberal Democrat. yardwork Feb 2022 #21
This is the kind of braggadocio you hear from teen-age kids. Midnight Writer Feb 2022 #18
Ugh. demmiblue Feb 2022 #22
Tick tock, time's up for this asshole. gldstwmn Feb 2022 #25

RockRaven

(14,893 posts)
2. Completely unsurprising (because it a fucking *decade* old, y'all had 10+ yrs to spot this).
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 02:54 AM
Feb 2022

This is who he is, this is who his audience is, this is who Spotify is and was when they wanted to partner with him exclusively for $100M.

Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan listeners, and Spotify are shit-bags. Full stop.

And they always have been. There's nothing new to discover in old clips, just things you ignored before.

Nevilledog

(51,005 posts)
3. I'd be surprised if more than a handful of people here have listened to him.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 02:59 AM
Feb 2022

To me, he disappeared after Fear Factor. These clips are new to me and I'm guessing others.
Spotify, on the other hand...

ecstatic

(32,648 posts)
9. Wow. That was him?
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 04:37 AM
Feb 2022

I used to watch that show. But I don't listen to Joe Rogan.... I don't even recall hearing his name until recently.

hunter

(38,302 posts)
19. I didn't know who Rogan was or what Spotify was until the controversy erupted here.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 01:25 PM
Feb 2022

And what's Fear Factor? My wife and I quit traditional television a long time ago.

At the beginning of World War II the U.S.A. was shocked to learn that large numbers of young men were so damaged by malnutrition that they were unfit to be soldiers. We the people realized that public nutrition programs were a worthy investment of our tax dollars.

Likewise, when Sputnik orbited the earth the U.S.A. was shocked to learn that math and science education in our public schools was crap. We the people realized that math and science education were a worthy investment of our tax dollars.

In the modern world corporate media giants are selling content that leads to intellectual malnutrition. The critical thinking skills of many people have been so severely damaged they are unable to recognize obvious bullshit.

What crisis will make us realize that critical thinking skills are essential to the survival of our nation?

Or will we survive at all?

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
4. No
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 03:07 AM
Feb 2022

Look - this is not a defense of "Joe" - just that I find the idea "he has always done this" to cast the wrong blame.

Rogan is the "shit-bag". There will always be a Joe Rogan. There has always been a Joe Rogan. This is not the place to focus.

What I am going to talk about is and what we should be talking about is how companies like Spotify quantify the Joe Rogans in the world for short term "money" without considering the greater good. Their algorithms are so narrow they do not consider the damage they are doing.

Same f*cking problem that Facebook and other social media have - super narrow focus on very tight metrics without regards to the bigger picture. Algorithms are only as good as the features they are meant to optimize. This is an evil we need to address. God bless CSNY and Joni for recognizing this.

This problem is new and it is growing with each passing day.

On Edit - This is not personal - just that I feel the focus needs to shift.

Celerity

(43,087 posts)
8. Uncovering How the Spotify Algorithm Works
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 04:36 AM
Feb 2022
What’s behind the Spotify Algorithm? From NLP over content based filtering to collaborative filtering.

https://towardsdatascience.com/uncovering-how-the-spotify-algorithm-works-4d3c021ebc0



In 2008 Spotify started changing the world around music by introducing music streaming. Since then music on CDs and DVDs has left all our lives and the music industry changed a whole lot. Nowadays, Spotify is the biggest player (with 365 Mio. users and 165 Mio. subscribers) in the music streaming market but has to maintain its position between American giants like Apple (Apple Music), Amazon (Amazon Music), and Google (YouTube Music). To do so, two peer groups have to be in the focus of Spotify: artists and users. To deliver the best service to them, there is one thing at the heart of Spotify: Algorithms & Machine Learning. The better Spotify understands the users and the greater the customer experience is, the more users can be convinced, converted to paying customers, and held as customers. In other words, data and algorithms are Spotify’s opportunity to not be crunched between Apple, Amazon, and Google and so far they do a pretty good job. So, let’s take a closer look at how the Spotify algorithm works, but first the basics:

Spotify Home Screen

At the center of the Spotify, recommendation system is the home screen which is peppered with many customized playlists and recommendations. The recommended playlists include Discover weekly, B Side, Release Radar, your mixtapes, and many more. Other sections of the cleverly arranged home screen are Jump Back In, Recently Played, or Recommended for today. The home screen is created and curated by an AI called BaRT (“Bandits for Recommendations as Treatments”), which will be explained in detail further. Spotify’s sections like Jump back in are also called Shelves.



Next to these recommended playlists, there are the sections Recommended songs (automatic playlist continuation) and you might also like below each playlist and each album. So, you can find almost on every Spotify screen a customized section. To recommend music to customers and to predict fitting songs on and off the home screen, Spotify has to rely on data. So let’s take a look at the available data sources. The data gathered and used by Spotify is quite extensive. At Spotify, almost everything is tracked. You might have experienced it gently: Spotify’s year in review. In this section you can see the minutes you listened to over the year, all genres, preferred artists, newcomers, top playlists, favorite podcasts, and honestly, this is only the tip of the iceberg. In the case of Spotify, most users are okay with being tracked because they benefit from a great user experience, nice stats, and top-notch recommendations.



Now let’s take a more detailed look at the data gathered. Let’s start with the artists. Of course, Spotify stores all data entered by the artists: song names, description, genre, images, lyrics, and song files. Next to this sort of data entered from the “provider side”, Spotify gathers and tracks the data of the counterpart, the consumers. This data comprises consumers listening history, skipped songs, how often a song has been played, playlists stored, music downloaded, social interactions such as shared playlists or sharing music, and more variables. Next to these two sources of “internal” data, Spotify probably also uses external data such as articles, blog posts, or other text data about songs or artists-related topics.



Spotify’s Acquisitions

2014 Spotify acquired Echonest, a MIT related start-up for music intelligence, for 100 million dollars. Echonest had already 2014 more than 1 billiard of data about songs & artists. In 2012, the Echonest founder Brian Whitman said that their system is scoring 10 million music-related websites every single day to analyze what is trending and what is going on on the music market. Next to Echonest, Spotify strengthened its M&A strategy and acquired in 2015 Seed Scientific, a data science and analytics consultancy to gain knowledge and expertise in-house. Another major acquisition on their AI path was in 2017 when Spotify incorporated Sonalytic, an audio detection startup. Audio detection you might know from Shazam or similar apps that help you identify songs from which you do not know the name. Furthermore, audio detection systems can also be used for the prevention of copyright violations. Spotify uses audio detection to enhance personalization in playlists and songs, to “match songs with compositions and to improve its publishing data system”. All of the mentioned acquisitions have been and are the fundament for Spotify to build its sophisticated recommendation system.



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maxrandb

(15,295 posts)
10. At one time, they tried to give Rush Limbaugh (still dead) a TV Show and a gig on Monday Night Footb
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 07:32 AM
Feb 2022

Corporate learned that decency hadn't been destroyed enough to make that shit palatable anywhere but AM Radio.

Now? Not so much

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
20. Exactly. These giant companies don't care about the damage they're doing.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 01:56 PM
Feb 2022

Businesses aren't set up for the greater good. This is a flaw in our system. IMO, this is why government regulation is essential.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
11. He still.brigades MRAs, etal to attack women sports writers
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 08:03 AM
Feb 2022

I've seen it happen in real time. He spews misogyny, he calls women he finds unattractive trannies. He sucks, and MMA fans have known for decades he does.

He had his own forum like 15 years ago, where he was basically a Nazi. No one ever mentions that.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
24. Oddly, this sickening story of rape is not getting nearly the attention the racism is.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 04:53 PM
Feb 2022

I’ve not watched tv since this morning, but though I saw this story here…I’ve yet to see it on MSM.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,864 posts)
13. There are some things men may never understand.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 08:15 AM
Feb 2022

They just think it's funny.

I have run into that attitude so many times. I just get away from it. I don't think that sort of man ever really changes.

Scrivener7

(50,911 posts)
15. He gives a voice to the young white male our society has created.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 10:04 AM
Feb 2022

There's lip service in our culture to respecting women and brown people, and then there is Joe Rogan who shows what 11 million mostly young men (but 30% are the women who were raised to cater to those young white men) really think of women and brown people.

They want the hierarchy where they are still the only ones at the top. They want the world where they can abuse the other groups as much as they want. They want to believe they are not sniveling little worms with secret inferiority complexes who are having trouble making it now that they have to compete with those other groups.

And people like JR and Limbaugh and tfg let them believe that is how the world should be and will be again.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
21. Rogan insists that he's a liberal Democrat.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 02:00 PM
Feb 2022

We have to confront the fact that plenty of self-described "progressives" are bigoted. The Republican Party doesn't have the monopoly, unfortunately.

There are plenty of Trump Republicans who voted Democratic sometimes in the past.

Midnight Writer

(21,710 posts)
18. This is the kind of braggadocio you hear from teen-age kids.
Sun Feb 6, 2022, 12:54 PM
Feb 2022

Rogan personifies that; the insecure adolescent who never grew up.

The entire Right Wing reminds me of a bullying High School clique. They are so desperate to belong to the group that they never develop independence.

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