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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRogan slammed over 2011 video of him laughing about forcing female comedians to have sex
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https://www.the-sun.com/news/1016817/joe-rogan-video-laughing-joey-diaz-forcing-female-comedians-oral-sex/amp/
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In the recently resurfaced 2011 clip from 'The Joe Rogan Experience' podcast, Rogan seems to find his friend's recollection hilarious, and sends him doubling over in laughter and throwing his hands back in delight.
57-year-old Diaz continues: "You think Im f****** kidding? Yeah, youve got to suck my d*** to get up to the Belly Room", referring to a popular LA comedy club.
How many girls did you have do that? Rogan asks.
Oh, 20, Diaz flippantly responds as Rogan laughs and claps his hands.
"Ill make a call for you. Thats the f****** gateway into coming to Hollywood, everybody knows that," he adds.
Diaz recalls more of the disturbing details, saying: "I had this little blonde open mic chick that used to come up to the comedy store with a 20 and take me up to the Belly Room and suck my d*** then go do her set .... She was tremendous.
"She finally freaked out when she got to Hollywood she was beautiful and when she left she had dirty f****** nails."
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SunSeeker
(51,508 posts)RockRaven
(14,893 posts)This is who he is, this is who his audience is, this is who Spotify is and was when they wanted to partner with him exclusively for $100M.
Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan listeners, and Spotify are shit-bags. Full stop.
And they always have been. There's nothing new to discover in old clips, just things you ignored before.
Nevilledog
(51,005 posts)To me, he disappeared after Fear Factor. These clips are new to me and I'm guessing others.
Spotify, on the other hand...
Demovictory9
(32,421 posts)ecstatic
(32,648 posts)I used to watch that show. But I don't listen to Joe Rogan.... I don't even recall hearing his name until recently.
hunter
(38,302 posts)And what's Fear Factor? My wife and I quit traditional television a long time ago.
At the beginning of World War II the U.S.A. was shocked to learn that large numbers of young men were so damaged by malnutrition that they were unfit to be soldiers. We the people realized that public nutrition programs were a worthy investment of our tax dollars.
Likewise, when Sputnik orbited the earth the U.S.A. was shocked to learn that math and science education in our public schools was crap. We the people realized that math and science education were a worthy investment of our tax dollars.
In the modern world corporate media giants are selling content that leads to intellectual malnutrition. The critical thinking skills of many people have been so severely damaged they are unable to recognize obvious bullshit.
What crisis will make us realize that critical thinking skills are essential to the survival of our nation?
Or will we survive at all?
Look - this is not a defense of "Joe" - just that I find the idea "he has always done this" to cast the wrong blame.
Rogan is the "shit-bag". There will always be a Joe Rogan. There has always been a Joe Rogan. This is not the place to focus.
What I am going to talk about is and what we should be talking about is how companies like Spotify quantify the Joe Rogans in the world for short term "money" without considering the greater good. Their algorithms are so narrow they do not consider the damage they are doing.
Same f*cking problem that Facebook and other social media have - super narrow focus on very tight metrics without regards to the bigger picture. Algorithms are only as good as the features they are meant to optimize. This is an evil we need to address. God bless CSNY and Joni for recognizing this.
This problem is new and it is growing with each passing day.
On Edit - This is not personal - just that I feel the focus needs to shift.
PJMcK
(21,995 posts)You might consider expanding this into an OP.
Celerity
(43,087 posts)https://towardsdatascience.com/uncovering-how-the-spotify-algorithm-works-4d3c021ebc0
In 2008 Spotify started changing the world around music by introducing music streaming. Since then music on CDs and DVDs has left all our lives and the music industry changed a whole lot. Nowadays, Spotify is the biggest player (with 365 Mio. users and 165 Mio. subscribers) in the music streaming market but has to maintain its position between American giants like Apple (Apple Music), Amazon (Amazon Music), and Google (YouTube Music). To do so, two peer groups have to be in the focus of Spotify: artists and users. To deliver the best service to them, there is one thing at the heart of Spotify: Algorithms & Machine Learning. The better Spotify understands the users and the greater the customer experience is, the more users can be convinced, converted to paying customers, and held as customers. In other words, data and algorithms are Spotifys opportunity to not be crunched between Apple, Amazon, and Google and so far they do a pretty good job. So, lets take a closer look at how the Spotify algorithm works, but first the basics:
Spotify Home Screen
At the center of the Spotify, recommendation system is the home screen which is peppered with many customized playlists and recommendations. The recommended playlists include Discover weekly, B Side, Release Radar, your mixtapes, and many more. Other sections of the cleverly arranged home screen are Jump Back In, Recently Played, or Recommended for today. The home screen is created and curated by an AI called BaRT (Bandits for Recommendations as Treatments), which will be explained in detail further. Spotifys sections like Jump back in are also called Shelves.
Next to these recommended playlists, there are the sections Recommended songs (automatic playlist continuation) and you might also like below each playlist and each album. So, you can find almost on every Spotify screen a customized section. To recommend music to customers and to predict fitting songs on and off the home screen, Spotify has to rely on data. So lets take a look at the available data sources. The data gathered and used by Spotify is quite extensive. At Spotify, almost everything is tracked. You might have experienced it gently: Spotifys year in review. In this section you can see the minutes you listened to over the year, all genres, preferred artists, newcomers, top playlists, favorite podcasts, and honestly, this is only the tip of the iceberg. In the case of Spotify, most users are okay with being tracked because they benefit from a great user experience, nice stats, and top-notch recommendations.
Now lets take a more detailed look at the data gathered. Lets start with the artists. Of course, Spotify stores all data entered by the artists: song names, description, genre, images, lyrics, and song files. Next to this sort of data entered from the provider side, Spotify gathers and tracks the data of the counterpart, the consumers. This data comprises consumers listening history, skipped songs, how often a song has been played, playlists stored, music downloaded, social interactions such as shared playlists or sharing music, and more variables. Next to these two sources of internal data, Spotify probably also uses external data such as articles, blog posts, or other text data about songs or artists-related topics.
Spotifys Acquisitions
2014 Spotify acquired Echonest, a MIT related start-up for music intelligence, for 100 million dollars. Echonest had already 2014 more than 1 billiard of data about songs & artists. In 2012, the Echonest founder Brian Whitman said that their system is scoring 10 million music-related websites every single day to analyze what is trending and what is going on on the music market. Next to Echonest, Spotify strengthened its M&A strategy and acquired in 2015 Seed Scientific, a data science and analytics consultancy to gain knowledge and expertise in-house. Another major acquisition on their AI path was in 2017 when Spotify incorporated Sonalytic, an audio detection startup. Audio detection you might know from Shazam or similar apps that help you identify songs from which you do not know the name. Furthermore, audio detection systems can also be used for the prevention of copyright violations. Spotify uses audio detection to enhance personalization in playlists and songs, to match songs with compositions and to improve its publishing data system. All of the mentioned acquisitions have been and are the fundament for Spotify to build its sophisticated recommendation system.
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Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)maxrandb
(15,295 posts)Corporate learned that decency hadn't been destroyed enough to make that shit palatable anywhere but AM Radio.
Now? Not so much
brush
(53,740 posts)one thing at a time.
yardwork
(61,538 posts)Businesses aren't set up for the greater good. This is a flaw in our system. IMO, this is why government regulation is essential.
shrike3
(3,485 posts)Didn't recognize him.
Celerity
(43,087 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Think he can reach his own shoes to tie them?
obamanut2012
(26,046 posts)I've seen it happen in real time. He spews misogyny, he calls women he finds unattractive trannies. He sucks, and MMA fans have known for decades he does.
He had his own forum like 15 years ago, where he was basically a Nazi. No one ever mentions that.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Ive not watched tv since this morning, but though I saw this story here Ive yet to see it on MSM.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,864 posts)They just think it's funny.
I have run into that attitude so many times. I just get away from it. I don't think that sort of man ever really changes.
Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)There's lip service in our culture to respecting women and brown people, and then there is Joe Rogan who shows what 11 million mostly young men (but 30% are the women who were raised to cater to those young white men) really think of women and brown people.
They want the hierarchy where they are still the only ones at the top. They want the world where they can abuse the other groups as much as they want. They want to believe they are not sniveling little worms with secret inferiority complexes who are having trouble making it now that they have to compete with those other groups.
And people like JR and Limbaugh and tfg let them believe that is how the world should be and will be again.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)SADISM is a Rethuglican virtue
yardwork
(61,538 posts)We have to confront the fact that plenty of self-described "progressives" are bigoted. The Republican Party doesn't have the monopoly, unfortunately.
There are plenty of Trump Republicans who voted Democratic sometimes in the past.
Midnight Writer
(21,710 posts)Rogan personifies that; the insecure adolescent who never grew up.
The entire Right Wing reminds me of a bullying High School clique. They are so desperate to belong to the group that they never develop independence.