So? When does Manchin switch parties?

[imanamerican63]

He is endorsing Lisa Murkowski for re-election! I guess it better than endorsing Cruz or someone like him?

[WA-03 Democrat]

1. Lisa is an elected independent

Senator.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

5. She's a Republican

[WA-03 Democrat]

7. My bad

Write in in 2010 but still with a small r.

[Ocelot II]

8. TFG endorsed her primary challenger, though.

[Patterson]

10. That's a good sign.

[Lancero]

35. It's a Republican either way.

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. Ok, I will go there...

he hasn't already.

j/k......a little.

[Ocelot II]

3. He won't. He has more power as a rogue Democrat.

[lisa58]

4. I don't think he will, but he certainly wants to promote the center...

[Dan]

6. I think endorsing Lisa Murkowski is okay, but the reason I think that Manchin won't switch is

Because I think the GOP is going to catch hell pretty soon - because of 1/6, what the TFG has done to our nation, the GOP trying to overturn the will of the people - documents on top of documents, and someone is going to sing. And, when that person sings - we’re going to go into shock as a nation, accepting that ‘it could happen here’.


And even worse, exposing that the GOP wanted a dictatorship with Trump as the dictator. Trump, a f* idiot was president for life, and a political party Cult accepting and promoting that.

[Lancero]

36. Our hold on the Senate is thin as it, according to Manchins supporters. Shouldn't we be trying...

To get more Democrats elected, rather than helping to prop up more Republicans?

[Dan]

58. Well, like Howard Dean said....

For more Democratic politicians to get elected - you have to at least run in those non-contested Republican contests. Even more, you have to get candidates that have a chance of winning and the we have to put money on those candidates. You gotta get skin in the game!

[Lancero]

61. He wouldn't have endorsed our candiate, even if one was running.

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin bucked his own party's political operation in 2020 by endorsing a Republican. Now, he's doing it again.

The West Virginia senator is backing Alaska GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s reelection bid in the face of a pointed challenge from former President Donald Trump, whom Murkowski voted to convict of inciting an insurrection.

It’s a wrath that Manchin knows all too well, having faced a Trump-inspired challenge of his own three years ago.

But Manchin doesn’t want to see his friend Murkowski defeated by a Trump-endorsed Republican — or a Democrat. He told POLITICO's Playbook Deep Dive podcast that he will support Murkowski’s challenging reelection campaign in 2022 “in a heartbeat.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/manchin-republican-murkowski-reelection-484282

Hardly the first time he helped torpedo our chances of electing a Democrat to the Senate, either, with his choice to support the always concerned Susan Collins in her own election.

https://rollcall.com/2019/04/11/democratic-sen-joe-manchin-endorses-gop-sen-susan-collins-for-2020/

[Orrex]

56. Well, let's see how he votes on Biden's SCOTUS nomination

At that point we'll see if Manchin has switched sides already.

[brooklynite]

62. He'll vote "yes", the same way he's supported every judicial nomination Biden has made.

[Orrex]

75. I would love for you to be correct.

However, since I know that your shtick is to stomp on any post that doesn't adhere to your impassioned and dubiously-supported belief that "the system is working," I'll wait to see how reality plays out.

[applegrove]

9. He wants to increase taxes on the wealthy. He will stay a Democrat.

[elleng]

11. TOO FOOLISH to ask such, especially in 'public.'

You do know, I assume, that we Democrats need every # we can get?

And Murkowski's INDEPENDENT.

[Emile]

14. Murkowski is the second-most senior Republican woman in the Senate, after Susan Collins of Maine.

[Hortensis]

15. Manchin won't be pushed by stuff like this.

I wonder at those who can't conceive of a difference between a moderate conservative who specifically chose to align with the Democratic Party and the corrupt far-right extremists the Republicans have become. That's a huge empty black hole of understanding.

Murkowski's voting record's very similar to Manchin right now, with almost all Democrats well off to their left and Republican Collins similar to her on the left of right, but all other Republicans well off to their right.

Someone else who currently charts to the right of Manchin, Collins and Murkowski is Sinema.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/lisa_murkowski/300075

[Ocelot II]

16. No, she's a Republican, but is considered the most liberal of all the GOPers,

and is probably a little more so than Manchin. TFG wants to take her down, and she does not have a Democratic opponent.

[IA8IT]

26. Murkowski was 2nd in 2010 AK gop primary but won general election with a write-in campaign.

[rso]

12. Manchin

There is no democrat running for the AK seat, so I have no problem with Manchin supporting the anti-trump candidate.

[brooklynite]

13. Why do people jump to conclusions like this.

Manchin is a Democrat, as much as you don't like him. Manchin endorsed Murkowski because 1) there is NO Democrat running in Alaska and 2) Murkowski is running again a pro-Trump candidate who would be far worse.

[lame54]

21. Because we HATE Manchin...

Which he brought on himself

[Ferrets are Cool]

39. But why endorse her.

Sometimes it is better to just keep your mouth shut. Why must he endorse a repug?

[In It to Win It]

40. Because they are real-life friends and she's the best we're gonna get out of Alaska.

She's a Republican. She won't work with us all the time, but from time to time, she will. The other choice is someone who will not work with us ever.

[Emile]

17. Democrats do not endorse Republicans! Period

[ShazamIam]

25. The goal is a one party nation, pushed by that money that bought Manchin & Sinema. There is a

political rumor that Liz Cheney and an as yet unnamed Democrat will be the Pres/VP choice for 2024. This plan was made clear to all of us during that, both sides are the same, campaign that still gets pushed. Do you know why and the source of that claim?

[Emile]

29. +1

No to your question, but I will look in to it!

[ShazamIam]

43. The obvious hint, the DLC of the late 80s/early 90s that created that, "new democrat," to replace

the Democratic who has been under attack after all the Democratic leadership had been assassinated or driven from office in the now well known cancel operation. The "new," democrat was libertarian.

Remember the 90s Democratic, I found it embarrassing to see Democratic running as, tough on crime, pro-business (anti-labor), anti education (the charter schools introduced), repealed Glass-Steagall, and more.

The Democratic only stayed liberal on equal rights, but in the most disrespectful and manipulative way (to generate all that backlash).

This is Bill Clinton and the 90s Democratic, like Manchin, Feinstein, and all the other corporate Democratic.

[sarisataka]

30. I've seen it on DU

Among single issue posters...

[Emile]

32. I've seen it today! They are not hiding it either.

[Lunabell]

48. Yes!

[bucolic_frolic]

18. He would lose his leverage if he switched, and the other side wouldn't trust him either

He's a Democrat with an independent streak and feels he raises important issues. I take him at his word over BBB - inflation is now an issue, and maybe we can settle it down before the fall. That would be unlikely with a full BBB.

[Emile]

20. How would Build Back Better raise inflation?

[bucolic_frolic]

22. It's like stimulus.

The answer that it's paid for doesn't make it less stimulative. It takes money in coffers and accounts and cash flows as taxes, and spends it on programs or puts it in the hands of people for spending. Sure, some will bank it, but most will utilize it. It increases the velocity of money - the spending - of money that is otherwise at least partially static.

[Emile]

24. So Predatory Capitalism has no effect on inflation, it's putting people to work that

causes it.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. Don't put words in my mouth

You read that because that's what you're looking for.

It increases demand for raw materials and services because people spend the money they are given.

[Emile]

28. but BBB is putting people to work. Increases for material and services are good too. Demand is what

drives a thriving economic expansion! How does that cause inflation? Predatory Capitalism is what causes inflation!

[OilemFirchen]

37. Do you prefer deflation?

What makes inflation inherently bad?

[Emile]

42. How does BBB cause deflation?

Will BBB cause a shortage of money in circulation. No. Deflation causes people to hoard money and that happens when the economy is down, not up!

[OilemFirchen]

45. Huh?

You've been railing against inflation, regardless of the cause. I asked a simple question. What is inherently wrong with inflation?

[Emile]

47. Inflation to a point can help the economy to trigger demand. We already have demand and BBB

will create even more demand. More demand from BBB will trigger more production to meet that demand. The only reason we have inflation today is because Predatory Capitalism is trying to recoup losses over the pandemic!

[bucolic_frolic]

41. Mainstream economic theory disagrees

Inflation is a function of aggregate demand, oversupply of money, velocity of money. Stimulus is a major component of those items. There is not mainstream economic theory that blames predatory capitalism. Capitalists can only raise prices when aggregate demand supports higher prices. If demand falters, goods remain on the shelves and capitalists must reduce prices to clear them.

[Emile]

44. I have never heard a Capitalist blame Predatory Capitalism for anything!

Gee I wonder why?

[former9thward]

51. How many Socialists blame socialism for anything?

[Emile]

52. I sure hear capitalists blaming socialists for their misdeeds.

[former9thward]

53. Yes and I hear socialists blaming capitalists for their misdeeds.

But if someone points out something negative in a socialist country, socialists always say "That is not true socialism", or "Socialism has never been really established", or "Socialism can only be established world wide -- not just in one country".

[Emile]

54. Can you point to one example where socialists blamed capitalists for their misdeeds?

[former9thward]

55. Well I will go to the great grandfather of socialism, Karl Marx.

Please read his work, The Communist Manifesto, it is full of examples. And socialists have been blaming capitalism for society's ills ever since.

[Emile]

60. So. . ?

[lame54]

19. And be a small fish? - Never

[dem4decades]

23. Enough

[keithbvadu2]

31. At present, he is a 'loyal' Democrat.

Some people worry that Manchin will become a Republican. In the current balance of parties, that will not happen. He would switch parties only if the Democrats have a large majority or the Republicans have a large majority. He is in a maximum position of power right now and he knows it. The Democrats have to kiss his ass to keep him. If he switches parties he will become just-another-Republican.

At present, he is a 'loyal' Democrat.

[Lancero]

33. To anyone supporting this, the RNC thanks you for your support.

[Emile]

34. +1

[brooklynite]

64. No, it doesn't...

RNC will likely support Kelly Tshibaka, the challenger who has Trump's support.

[In It to Win It]

38. Him and Murkowski are actual friends. Let's face it, Murkowski is the best we're gonna get out of

Alaska. A democrat is not winning in Alaska. If it has to be a Republican from Alaska, I'd rather it be her.

[we can do it]

46. Stop

[budkin]

49. Never because all his power would be gone.

And he would lose the spotlight.

[Lunabell]

50. He won't.

Being a Manchurian candidate is much more fun...and profitable.

[iemanja]

57. Why are you so anxious to give the GOP the senate?

[Lancero]

59. Maybe we should ask Manchin that, given his preference for endorsing Republicans.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/23/manchin-republican-murkowski-reelection-484282

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin bucked his own party's political operation in 2020 by endorsing a Republican. Now, he's doing it again.

The West Virginia senator is backing Alaska GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s reelection bid in the face of a pointed challenge from former President Donald Trump, whom Murkowski voted to convict of inciting an insurrection.

It’s a wrath that Manchin knows all too well, having faced a Trump-inspired challenge of his own three years ago.

But Manchin doesn’t want to see his friend Murkowski defeated by a Trump-endorsed Republican — or a Democrat. He told POLITICO's Playbook Deep Dive podcast that he will support Murkowski’s challenging reelection campaign in 2022 “in a heartbeat.”

He'd be throwing his lot in with Republicans, even if they had a Democratic opponent running again them.

Edit - Also, Susan Collins.

https://rollcall.com/2019/04/11/democratic-sen-joe-manchin-endorses-gop-sen-susan-collins-for-2020/

[iemanja]

67. In AK

the choices are between Murkowski and a Trump Humper. Take your pick. Democrats have no chance in hell of winning.

And wishing Manchin to switch parties is wishing for a GOP majority in the Senate. It's a basic fact.

I don't like Manchin one bit, but I don't want McConnell in charge either. Of all the things Manchin does, this endorsement doesn't rate on the shit scale.

[Lancero]

68. A Republican wins either way, why even bother?

Manchin wouldn't have endorsed a Democrat for that election anyway, going by his past commentary.

But Manchin doesn’t want to see his friend Murkowski defeated by a Trump-endorsed Republican — or a Democrat. He told POLITICO's Playbook Deep Dive podcast that he will support Murkowski’s challenging reelection campaign in 2022 “in a heartbeat.”

He outright stated he wouldn't support a Democratic candidate for Alaska in 2022, long before we could even consider a candidate.

Which makes me wonder about something... Has he bothered endorsing any Democrats for 2022? I only seem to find mentions of the Republicans he helps prop up.

[iemanja]

69. There is no Democratic candidate in Alaska

Murkowski voted to convict Trump. Pretending she is the same as Trump Humper is ridiculous.

[Lancero]

71. A Republican is still a Republican. No matter their stance on Trump.

[iemanja]

72. I disagree

[Lancero]

74. Manchin wouldn't have supported a Democrat, even if one was running.

So... Yeah. The RNC thanks him for the support.

Edit - Fun fact, he also endorsed Susan Collins over Sara Gideon in 2020. Lotta love for the RNC from him.

[iemanja]

76. You consider this worse than blowing up BBB?

I care about that, not who he endorses. Why would any Democrat want Manchin to endorse them? They'd run as fast as they could away from that.

[Lancero]

77. The only reason he's tolerated is because he's the 'deciding vote' on things.

If we had more Democrats in office, that wouldn't be a issue. He realizes this, which is why he started advocating in favor of Murkowski long before we could consider trying to run someone against her, and why he endorsed Susan Collins over her Democratic challenger Sara Gideon.

I consider these endorsements to be further proof that he's a trojan horse, at best, to our party.

[iemanja]

78. Obviously it's the only reason he's tolerated

[brooklynite]

65. How will re-electing a Republican in Alaska give Republicans the Senate?

[iemanja]

66. Manchin switching parties will

[brooklynite]

70. He's not. DU criticisms notwithstanding.

[iemanja]

73. I was responding to this OP

[mcar]

63. No Democrat is running for senate in Alaska

But sure, let's continue to encourage the 50th Democrat to switch parties.