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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 06:44 PM Feb 2022

If Garland charged Meadows with contempt, it would be as a witness, not a defendant.

Right now Meadows is only a witness who is refusing to testify. Charging him with contempt would be small potatoes. Meadows is a big fish in the investigation. Garland may be waiting to see if he can charge Meadows with much more serious crimes as a defendant.

I'm not sure, maybe charging Meadows as a witness now, could somehow complicate things if you wanted to charge him as a defendant later for more serious crimes.

Think about it, it makes sense.

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If Garland charged Meadows with contempt, it would be as a witness, not a defendant. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Feb 2022 OP
"Maybe, might be, could be, don't know but, it looks like, soon." Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #1
I pray every day that we don't end up with a DOJ that thinks like this Beastly Boy Feb 2022 #9
That's nice, dear. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #11
Flattery will get you nowhere, sweetie. Beastly Boy Feb 2022 #13
See today's post on emptywheel.net Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #2
Thank you. fightforfreedom Feb 2022 #16
Exactly. Prosecutors try to bring all possible charges at once, Ocelot II Feb 2022 #3
I agree, time for a special grand jury. gab13by13 Feb 2022 #5
Someone needs to explain, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #4
Probably politics FBaggins Feb 2022 #7
Are you sure a special grand jury was called for Watergate? Beastly Boy Feb 2022 #12
I heard someone on the news bring up a good point which is true. fightforfreedom Feb 2022 #14
Ok... I thought about it. It doesn't make any sense. FBaggins Feb 2022 #6
He will be charging him with much more serious crimes as a defendant. fightforfreedom Feb 2022 #10
Nope. Still doesn't make sense. FBaggins Feb 2022 #18
Except for the waiting part... lame54 Feb 2022 #8
DOJ rso Feb 2022 #15
DOJ rso Feb 2022 #17

Scrivener7

(50,901 posts)
1. "Maybe, might be, could be, don't know but, it looks like, soon."
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 06:47 PM
Feb 2022

All of it is worthless bullshit.

Handcuffs or it didn't happen.

Beastly Boy

(9,229 posts)
9. I pray every day that we don't end up with a DOJ that thinks like this
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:13 PM
Feb 2022

"Handcuffs or it didn't happen" is too much of a Pinochet territory for my taste.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,544 posts)
2. See today's post on emptywheel.net
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 06:51 PM
Feb 2022

It explains in detail why rushing to indict for contempt could harm the entire investigation and prosecution.

Hint: it has to do with discovery, and how Bannon is using it to inform other potential defendants about the state of the investigation.

Ocelot II

(115,576 posts)
3. Exactly. Prosecutors try to bring all possible charges at once,
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 06:56 PM
Feb 2022

not only for the sake of efficiency, but because the aggregated crimes are more persuasive to a grand jury than piecemeal charges. Why charge only the relatively minor crime of ignoring a Congressional subpoena, which is a misdemeanor, when adding it to other crimes and charging them all at once is much more likely to lead to a long, detailed, "speaking" indictment?

gab13by13

(21,234 posts)
4. Someone needs to explain,
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 06:58 PM
Feb 2022

why the select committee is considering offering immunity to people like Jeffrey Clarke? Sounds to me if they do that it sure messes up that super secret DOJ investigation.

Mark Meadows is a Big Fish, create a special grand jury and show the evidence to jurors just like they did for Watergate.

How many people here at DU truly understand the serious condition our democracy is in?

FBaggins

(26,714 posts)
7. Probably politics
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:03 PM
Feb 2022

A DOJ prosecution of Clarke probably doesn't hit the front pages with any real info until after the election. They may be willing to offer him immunity to get something on the record in the coming months.

Beastly Boy

(9,229 posts)
12. Are you sure a special grand jury was called for Watergate?
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:22 PM
Feb 2022

If I recall correctly, there were three grand juries empaneled to hear cases related to Watergate, but I don't think any of them were special grand juries.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
14. I heard someone on the news bring up a good point which is true.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:30 PM
Feb 2022

The jan. 6th committee has moved very quickly with their investigation because they knew they were on a timeline. They have to finish before the election.

Garland is not on a timeline, he can afford to take his time. It may seen like Garland is moving slowly because the committee has moved at such a very fast pace. It is normal for a criminal case this large to take a long time.

FBaggins

(26,714 posts)
6. Ok... I thought about it. It doesn't make any sense.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:00 PM
Feb 2022

How is he supposed to charge him with refusing to testify as a defendant?

Never heard of the 5th Amendment?

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
10. He will be charging him with much more serious crimes as a defendant.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:22 PM
Feb 2022

Not for refusing to testify. Now does it make sense.

FBaggins

(26,714 posts)
18. Nope. Still doesn't make sense.
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 08:18 PM
Feb 2022

You’re always a defendant when you’re charged with a crime.

Not is there any reason to not charge one crime just because you are investigating some other crime that you might charge

rso

(2,267 posts)
15. DOJ
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:31 PM
Feb 2022

Time may be short when it comes to the 1/6 Committee, but the DOJ remains in our hands until at least 1/2025.

rso

(2,267 posts)
17. DOJ
Mon Feb 7, 2022, 07:32 PM
Feb 2022

Time may be short when it comes to the 1/6 Committee, but the DOJ remains in our hands until at least 1/2025.

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