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Passenger

(217 posts)
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:35 AM Feb 2022

Abortions in Texas dropped almost 60% in the first month after new SB 8 restrictions were imposed

Abortions in Texas dropped almost 60% in the first month after new SB 8 restrictions were imposed
The Dallas Morning News

Texas Health and Human Services released updated statistics Monday showing the number of abortions reported in the state decreased almost 60% in the first month after new restrictions went into effect.

The state reported 2,197 induced terminations of pregnancies for September of 2021, following 5,404 in August, the last month before Senate Bill 8 took effect. Notably, in September there were only two induced abortions performed after six weeks of gestation, which the new law allows only under medical exemptions.

The data reveals that an October study by the Texas Policy Evaluation Project at the University of Texas at Austin showing that abortions fell by 50 percent in September was off by almost 10%.

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The question remains how many got abortions elsewhere.
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Abortions in Texas dropped almost 60% in the first month after new SB 8 restrictions were imposed (Original Post) Passenger Feb 2022 OP
50% went elsewhere . .. Lovie777 Feb 2022 #1
Has there actually been a lawsuit yet? Buckeyeblue Feb 2022 #2
Braid v. Stilley, in which a doctor (Braid) who performed an "illegal" abortion in Texas and WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #7
If/When the USSC overturns Roe, TX will have a new law no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 #3
Anyone read Freakonomics? The only truly correlative factor they could find that explained Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #4
I think they are just going to other states. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2022 #5
Those who have the means to do so, yes. Many do not. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #9
Abortion was illegal when I was in college in the '60s. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2022 #11
People who go to college have a different level of means when it comes to accessing abortion, both WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #12
I don't just understand this law Mad_Machine76 Feb 2022 #6
. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #8
If they're shut down Mad_Machine76 Feb 2022 #13
A doctor who performs an illegal abortion might find their license suspended, essentially closing WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #16
DOH is a government entity, yes? Mad_Machine76 Feb 2022 #18
Every additional birth above stasis adds $320K in state/local taxes spread over an 18yr period. TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #10
+10000 roamer65 Feb 2022 #14
Now do Oklahoma lame54 Feb 2022 #15
Look at Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arkansas, and Louisiana Deep State Witch Feb 2022 #17

Lovie777

(22,985 posts)
1. 50% went elsewhere . ..
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:41 AM
Feb 2022

red states will not give the info on the damage it has done on women and child and we know that red states don't give a shit, just look at the pain and suffering and deaths from the pandemic.

Buckeyeblue

(6,352 posts)
2. Has there actually been a lawsuit yet?
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:52 AM
Feb 2022

I would guess women are leaving the state if they need an abortion. But I thought we needed to have an actual case to go back and challenge this law.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,956 posts)
7. Braid v. Stilley, in which a doctor (Braid) who performed an "illegal" abortion in Texas and
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:05 AM
Feb 2022

wrote about it, countersues the three people who filed suit against him. He filed late last fall.

no_hypocrisy

(54,908 posts)
3. If/When the USSC overturns Roe, TX will have a new law
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 07:53 AM
Feb 2022

that outright outlaws abortion in any way or form.

Soon it will be 100% no abortions in that state and several more states.

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
4. Anyone read Freakonomics? The only truly correlative factor they could find that explained
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 08:39 AM
Feb 2022

the plummeting of violent crime in the 90s was the legalization of abortion fifteen years before. When you think about it, it makes sense.

Texas just bought itself a big problem.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
5. I think they are just going to other states.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 08:43 AM
Feb 2022

I remember reading that a doctor in a clinic in another state said they were getting them.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
11. Abortion was illegal when I was in college in the '60s.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:30 AM
Feb 2022

I guess we were just used to it being totally unavailable.

Seems like all my friends got pregnant. They went to Mexico or Oregon.

It's true that a lot of women that went to back alley abortionists and it was horrible. People ended up with pelvic infections because nothing was sterile. Some died of perforations. It was terrible. And that's when abortions were cheap.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,956 posts)
12. People who go to college have a different level of means when it comes to accessing abortion, both
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:34 AM
Feb 2022

then and now.

Mad_Machine76

(24,957 posts)
6. I don't just understand this law
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 08:49 AM
Feb 2022

If it’s not really enforceable by the government, then why is anybody following the law? If it is enforceable, then why can’t anybody challenge it? If somebody actually filed suit then that puts it in front of a government entity that has the power to enforce it. The law seems like it is solely meant as a deterrent and has no real teeth bc the government has removed itself from the process.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,956 posts)
8. .
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:09 AM
Feb 2022
If it’s not really enforceable by the government, then why is anybody following the law?
Doctors and abortion providers can be shut down while investigations/lawsuits proceed, eliminating even the small help they're able to provide.

If it is enforceable, then why can’t anybody challenge it? If somebody actually filed suit then that puts it in front of a government entity that has the power to enforce it.
A doctor performed an "illegal" abortion, wrote about it, and was sued, and then countersued. The suits are moving through the process.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,956 posts)
16. A doctor who performs an illegal abortion might find their license suspended, essentially closing
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:18 PM
Feb 2022

the clinic. The DOH may require a clinic to close during an investigation of a process that wasn't followed correctly.

Mad_Machine76

(24,957 posts)
18. DOH is a government entity, yes?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 12:42 AM
Feb 2022

Then they can sue DOH for violating Roe (for as long as it stands), right?

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
10. Every additional birth above stasis adds $320K in state/local taxes spread over an 18yr period.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 10:24 AM
Feb 2022

.

Driving those RED States into further economic collapse as each extra child adds over $320K in costs

You can't put a price on life, actually you can. Every extra birth, above the stasis drives up taxes.

Between education, childcare, medical costs, food supplements, those who can afford to get abortions will, which places the lion's share of births on lower-income families that will have a higher demand for public assistance.


All of those tax-saving fiscal conservatives will do is drive up their local and state property taxes and put their hand out for more federal socialism. Rick Perry tried this shit years ago and in less than one year over 7,000 extra births resulted. It was so bad, he abandoned it. Imagine the simple compounding of just 10,000 extra births each and every year at a cost of $320K per kid over 18 years.


Example: 10K kids per year for 18 years will add $3.2 billion to the state tax requirements.


Year 1) 10000 x $12,000/year (birthing, food, heat, utilities, medical costs, daycare, etc.) = $120,000,000 increased taxes
Year 2) Now 20,000 x $12,000/year = $240M
Year 3) Now 30,000 x 12,000/year = $360M
Year 4) $360M + (10000 x $18000/year) (as education starts to kick in) = $360M + $180M = $540M
Continue compounding $180M each year until the oldest kids become emancipated.

And the above example is in 2019 numbers, not adjusted for costs and inflation.

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Deep State Witch

(12,717 posts)
17. Look at Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arkansas, and Louisiana
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 12:36 PM
Feb 2022

And see if there were any increases. Not to mention women crossing the border into Mexico.

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