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for tearing up and stealing government documents. This was just mentioned on Lawrence's show.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Despite what people think, DOJ is more about protecting the office of the Presidency than enforcing the laws upon occupants of that office.
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)is thinking this is unfortunately the situation they have with the DOJ at this time, unless Garland actually acts for once.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)to people to get them to testify, that means they aren't stepping on DOJ's toes.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,455 posts)He's above the law....until we say he isn't.
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gab13by13
(21,304 posts)it has its own investigators.
I saw nothing today on cable news, it appears over.
When the story broke the MSM used the propaganda that it was just Trump's love letters from Kim to downplay what happened.
Chellee
(2,095 posts)Stop! Library Police! Put down the parchment and no one gets hurt!
Is it too much to hope for that they all dress like either an absent minded professor, Indiana Jones, or an archeologist in the 1920's? Because that would be awesome.
JanMichael
(24,885 posts)The Librarian movies kind of had that theme.
And you also see librarians at the forefront of trying to protect the first amendment and fight book banning by some lunatics in power in some states. They fiercely believe in protecting their libraries and their patrons except for a few morons which exist in every profession. Kind of like my profession. 90% are pretty liberal or pretty hard to the left with the exception of about 10 to 15% that probably shouldn't have gotten into the field.
I would love to see a good wardrobe for the archives police.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)This was an old habit of his from his days of running the business in the early days. They tried to get him to stop but he wouldn't. They had staff that was assigned to tape stuff back together. Mostly he just ripped them in half. The courts would expect it to be shown that his intent was to "destroy" them. They can't and won't even try.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And that makes it OK to continue the habit while running the Government as a criminal enterprise?
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)You'd have to show that he was "destroying evidence". I took tons of stuff to the shredder, I wasn't covering up evidence. The fact that he had staff taping it back together, kinds of suggests he wasn't "destroying evidence". You'd have a better case with the 15 boxes, except that he gave them back. And you'd also have to show that anything he tore up was actually "evidence".
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Fact is, he tore up GOVERNMENT documents, and has said out loud that he knows that's a crime. I think the physical taped-up documents and video of his own words could be quite damaging.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)First offense, nothing was actually lost, efforts were made to maintain the documents anyway. He's gonna get some civil violation and a fine, if that. And no federal prosecutor is going to spend the kind of time and resources it would take through all of the appeals, especially knowing the SC is sitting up there ready to back him up.
So, that's why a sitting senator might say that he doesn't expect Trump to face any charges.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Sure.
What about the next 9,000 times he did it, AFTER being warned?
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)You don't understand what that expression means.
RockRaven
(14,958 posts)At least then we could ask them why they believe such a thing.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)However, if Biden spills his coffee on his daily agenda, he can expect to be busting rocks in Leavenworth.
dsc
(52,155 posts)it would be helpful in prosecuting him for obstruction.
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Nevilledog
(51,080 posts)Link to tweet
Aaron Blake
@AaronBlake
.@RepMaloney plans to fully investigate the appearance of 15 boxes of documents and other items at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, which should have been turned over as part of the Presidential Records Act
(via @jaxalemany @theodoricmeyer @tobiaraji)
washingtonpost.com
Analysis | House Oversight chair pledges to fully investigate Trump's record keeping
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) plans to fully investigate the appearance of 15 boxes of documents and other items at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, which should have been turned over as part of...
5:25 AM · Feb 8, 2022
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/08/house-oversight-chair-pledges-fully-investigate-trump-record-keeping/
No paywall
https://archive.fo/tXkDS
Boxgate?: The chairwoman of the House Oversight Committee plans to fully investigate the appearance of 15 boxes of documents and other items at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, which should have been turned over as part of the Presidential Records Act.
The reporting on former President Trumps apparent removal of presidential records and his failure to turn the records over to the National Archives for over a year is deeply troubling but not surprising, Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) told Jackie in a statement Monday night.
I sounded the alarm in December 2020 about the danger that the former President and senior Trump Administration officials were not properly transferring presidential records to the National Archives and unfortunately, we now know that was the case. I plan to fully investigate this incident to ensure the law is followed and records from the Trump Administration are with the National Archives where they belong, rather than stashed away in Trumps golf resorts.
That's the latest twist in the ongoing story of Trump's apparently sloppy record-keeping (too early to call it Boxgate? Maybe) during his time in the White House. Jackie and our Post colleagues scooped yesterday that Trump handed over 15 boxes to the National Archives and even more presidential records might be coming, according to a statement released by the National Archives and Records Administration.
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