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Who is the Democratic senator who "does not expect" Trump to be prosecuted (Original Post) Atticus Feb 2022 OP
Probably all of them. I don't expect DOJ to pursue a case here. LonePirate Feb 2022 #1
I think the entire Jan 6 Committee BigmanPigman Feb 2022 #4
The tell will be if the select committee starts giving immunity, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #6
The Trump Precedent. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2022 #3
Maybe the National Archives will prosecute, gab13by13 Feb 2022 #5
I love the idea that the National Archives has it's own investigatory unit. Chellee Feb 2022 #8
That would be incredibly cool. JanMichael Feb 2022 #11
He won't zipplewrath Feb 2022 #7
So, he always destroyed evidence while running his criminal enterprise. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #14
Prove it zipplewrath Feb 2022 #16
You'd be a better lawyer for him than any Krakenhead on his team right now. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #17
At worst zipplewrath Feb 2022 #18
First offense. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #19
Apparently zipplewrath Feb 2022 #20
It would be great if someone would name one who DOES expect it. RockRaven Feb 2022 #9
He won't be prosecuted for the destruction or theft of documents. Chainfire Feb 2022 #10
while it is likely true he won't be prosecuted for this dsc Feb 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author zipplewrath Feb 2022 #13
House Oversight chair pledges to 'fully investigate' Trump's record keeping Nevilledog Feb 2022 #15

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
1. Probably all of them. I don't expect DOJ to pursue a case here.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:30 PM
Feb 2022

Despite what people think, DOJ is more about protecting the office of the Presidency than enforcing the laws upon occupants of that office.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
4. I think the entire Jan 6 Committee
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:35 PM
Feb 2022

is thinking this is unfortunately the situation they have with the DOJ at this time, unless Garland actually acts for once.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
6. The tell will be if the select committee starts giving immunity,
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:37 PM
Feb 2022

to people to get them to testify, that means they aren't stepping on DOJ's toes.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
5. Maybe the National Archives will prosecute,
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:35 PM
Feb 2022

it has its own investigators.

I saw nothing today on cable news, it appears over.

When the story broke the MSM used the propaganda that it was just Trump's love letters from Kim to downplay what happened.

Chellee

(2,095 posts)
8. I love the idea that the National Archives has it's own investigatory unit.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:59 PM
Feb 2022

Stop! Library Police! Put down the parchment and no one gets hurt!

Is it too much to hope for that they all dress like either an absent minded professor, Indiana Jones, or an archeologist in the 1920's? Because that would be awesome.

JanMichael

(24,885 posts)
11. That would be incredibly cool.
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 08:14 AM
Feb 2022

The Librarian movies kind of had that theme.

And you also see librarians at the forefront of trying to protect the first amendment and fight book banning by some lunatics in power in some states. They fiercely believe in protecting their libraries and their patrons except for a few morons which exist in every profession. Kind of like my profession. 90% are pretty liberal or pretty hard to the left with the exception of about 10 to 15% that probably shouldn't have gotten into the field.

I would love to see a good wardrobe for the archives police.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
7. He won't
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 11:50 PM
Feb 2022

This was an old habit of his from his days of running the business in the early days. They tried to get him to stop but he wouldn't. They had staff that was assigned to tape stuff back together. Mostly he just ripped them in half. The courts would expect it to be shown that his intent was to "destroy" them. They can't and won't even try.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. So, he always destroyed evidence while running his criminal enterprise.
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 12:39 PM
Feb 2022

And that makes it OK to continue the habit while running the Government as a criminal enterprise?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
16. Prove it
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 04:20 PM
Feb 2022

You'd have to show that he was "destroying evidence". I took tons of stuff to the shredder, I wasn't covering up evidence. The fact that he had staff taping it back together, kinds of suggests he wasn't "destroying evidence". You'd have a better case with the 15 boxes, except that he gave them back. And you'd also have to show that anything he tore up was actually "evidence".

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
17. You'd be a better lawyer for him than any Krakenhead on his team right now.
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 04:22 PM
Feb 2022

Fact is, he tore up GOVERNMENT documents, and has said out loud that he knows that's a crime. I think the physical taped-up documents and video of his own words could be quite damaging.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
18. At worst
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 04:34 PM
Feb 2022

First offense, nothing was actually lost, efforts were made to maintain the documents anyway. He's gonna get some civil violation and a fine, if that. And no federal prosecutor is going to spend the kind of time and resources it would take through all of the appeals, especially knowing the SC is sitting up there ready to back him up.

So, that's why a sitting senator might say that he doesn't expect Trump to face any charges.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
9. It would be great if someone would name one who DOES expect it.
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 12:28 AM
Feb 2022

At least then we could ask them why they believe such a thing.

Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
10. He won't be prosecuted for the destruction or theft of documents.
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 07:58 AM
Feb 2022

However, if Biden spills his coffee on his daily agenda, he can expect to be busting rocks in Leavenworth.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
12. while it is likely true he won't be prosecuted for this
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 08:42 AM
Feb 2022

it would be helpful in prosecuting him for obstruction.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

Nevilledog

(51,080 posts)
15. House Oversight chair pledges to 'fully investigate' Trump's record keeping
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 12:42 PM
Feb 2022


Tweet text:

Aaron Blake
@AaronBlake
.@RepMaloney plans to “fully investigate” the appearance of 15 boxes of documents and other items at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, which should have been turned over as part of the Presidential Records Act

(via @jaxalemany @theodoricmeyer @tobiaraji)

washingtonpost.com
Analysis | House Oversight chair pledges to ‘fully investigate’ Trump's record keeping
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) plans to “fully investigate” the appearance of 15 boxes of documents and other items at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, which should have been turned over as part of...
5:25 AM · Feb 8, 2022


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/08/house-oversight-chair-pledges-fully-investigate-trump-record-keeping/

No paywall
https://archive.fo/tXkDS


Boxgate?: The chairwoman of the House Oversight Committee plans to “fully investigate” the appearance of 15 boxes of documents and other items at Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort, which should have been turned over as part of the Presidential Records Act.

“The reporting on former President Trump’s apparent removal of presidential records and his failure to turn the records over to the National Archives for over a year is deeply troubling — but not surprising,” Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) told Jackie in a statement Monday night.

“I sounded the alarm in December 2020 about the danger that the former President and senior Trump Administration officials were not properly transferring presidential records to the National Archives and unfortunately, we now know that was the case. I plan to fully investigate this incident to ensure the law is followed and records from the Trump Administration are with the National Archives where they belong, rather than stashed away in Trump’s golf resorts.”

That's the latest twist in the ongoing story of Trump's apparently sloppy record-keeping (too early to call it Boxgate? Maybe) during his time in the White House. Jackie and our Post colleagues scooped yesterday that Trump handed over 15 boxes to the National Archives and even more presidential records might be coming, according to a statement released by the National Archives and Records Administration.

*snip*


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